Lablover Posted June 3, 2006 Author Share Posted June 3, 2006 Steve, Due to my week I have not returned to dog training but have continued spinning with Yank. For the worst two days of Peppa's season, when he was distracted (his damm nose!!!) he has progressed well. Stamp of course, ignored Peppa's scent. Yank's recalls continue to improve. I trust him more. Nearly 100%, but I am careful with distraction levels. He is sitting well and focus is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Due to my week I have not returned to dog training but have continued spinning with Yank. For the worst two days of Peppa's season, when he was distracted (his damm nose!!!) he has progressed well.Stamp of course, ignored Peppa's scent. K9: lol, Stamp is the man!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted June 5, 2006 Author Share Posted June 5, 2006 (edited) Due to my week I have not returned to dog training but have continued spinning with Yank. For the worst two days of Peppa's season, when he was distracted (his damm nose!!!) he has progressed well.Stamp of course, ignored Peppa's scent. K9: lol, Stamp is the man!! I like him too. BTW, before being sent on a retrieve........with the good, good, gooooooddddd, is progressing well. From time to time he is a little vocal, but that is fine. Settling down. In hindsight, even though I have significantly slowed down my sends over the years, you have reminded to slow them down even more. Damm, handler bad habits are hard to break. Edited June 5, 2006 by Lablover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 K9: lol, Stamp is the man!!I like him too. K9: He would be one of the best Labs I have ever seen both here & overseas... BTW, before being sent on a retrieve........with the good, good, gooooooddddd, is progressing well. From time to time he is a little vocal, but that is fine. Settling down. K9: well that tells us that it is working.... lol, he will ditch the vocalising when he see's it doesnt get him anywhere... In hindsight, even though I have significantly slowed down my sends over the years, you have reminded to slow them down even more. Damm, handler bad habits are hard to break. K9: lucky you dont have many then lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardog Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 K9: He would be one of the best Labs I have ever seen both here & overseas... Hmmmmm......be very, very careful here K9 .....you have a lot of Lab owners on this forum And we ALL think we have the best Labs in the world..even I have Son of Stamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 K9: lol note the "one of" disclaimer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardog Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 K9: lol note the "one of" disclaimer.... Well, you have redeemed yourself - this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted June 5, 2006 Author Share Posted June 5, 2006 K9: lol note the "one of" disclaimer....Well, you have redeemed yourself - this time. Oh brother. Or sister in this case. The fruit does not fall far from the tree. Physical problems withstanding. I will take the compliment. Thanks. After all training a good prospect in all in the "dog" ie solid nerves and great desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fido666 Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Hi K9,Firstly, thanks for running the workshop, it was great! The money for the martingale is on it's way I promise (just need to visit your site to see what other equipment I might want). I have a question regarding the dog I brought along to the workshop, you might recall he kept crawling up in my lap. He's just turned 2 (the day after the workshop in fact) and lately has been really affectionate and clingy. I am wondering if this behavior might be age related? He was also recently desexed so maybe he's just starting to calm down? He still has a thing about some male dogs though, especially if they go near Mel my young bitch (10 mths old). I also have a question regarding the prey drive article. Duncan retrieves a thrown ball and will bring it right back to us, even placing it directly into our hands. Now I know you said the thrown article does not really qualify as a prey article, so what drive is being satisfied here? Apologies if you already covered this in the workshop, there was a lot to absorb that day . Cheers, Corine Just posting this question again, think K9 may have missed it . I'm confused about whether the retrieving and returning of the article constitutes play or pack drive? Oh, I meant to add he's not a lab . Thanks, Corine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 F: Just posting this question again, think K9 may have missed it . I'm confused about whether the retrieving and returning of the article constitutes play or pack drive? K9: it could be taught in either, but I feel the best drive for this is prey drive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fido666 Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 F: Just posting this question again, think K9 may have missed it . I'm confused about whether the retrieving and returning of the article constitutes play or pack drive? K9: it could be taught in either, but I feel the best drive for this is prey drive... Sorry K9 but I'm still a little unsure about this. My dog already retrieves the article and most times will bring it straight back for another round. In returning the article is he responding in drive? I guess what I'm asking is what makes it a prey drive response over a play drive one? Cheers, Corine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 K9: the dogs perception of the excercise, if the dog thinks that the article is a prey item, or that it will get a prey item as a reward its prey drive.... If its to please you its pack drive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ish Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 ISH: I can attach them to begin the TOT program (although they will all wait for their food already). K9: keep in mind that the TOT isnt about teh dog waiting for its food, thats only one of the steps.... Sorry, thats not what I meant - I meant that for my dogs who don't need to be trained to tie up, I didn't really need to muck around getting organised so I could tether them to begin the program. I understand its about alot more than waiting for food. One question though, I don't really understand how you teach the dog things in prey drive - I can understand how it works for dogs who already have an idea of how obedience training works (such as the dogs used for demos) and also how the ball on the string could be used to 'lure' the dog into position for some things, but what about teaching the stand, or stay? K9: as the dog has so much desire (drive) for the prey item, its very easy, small bit of guidance & they figure it all out quick. I understand that in theory, but all I can imagine is a large dog bouncing and jumping around madly trying to get the ball out of my hand and me trying to hold the ball out of reach of the dog. For teaching sit, you held the ball up high, the dogs head followed the ball up, bum came down into a sit and you released the ball - that makes sense to me. If I was to teach stand using food motivation training, I would have the dog on lead in a heel position, hold the food out infront of the dogs nose (making the 'stand' signal and saying stand as it stood) so it stood up and reached for the food, perhaps put my left hand on the dogs tummy to help hold it in position and then give it the food. Could you give me an idea, in steps, of how you'd go about teaching the stand (or stay) using prey drive because I would bet if I used the same technique using the ball rather than food, my dogs would be just jumping and pulling, trying to reach and snatch the ball. I'm sure its really easy, I'm just dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 (edited) ISH: I understand that in theory, but all I can imagine is a large dog bouncing and jumping around madly trying to get the ball out of my hand and me trying to hold the ball out of reach of the dog. K9: Its very easy, when the dog jumps into the air, take a step back, the dog will get sick & tired of jumping real fast... I have done it a few times lol... If I was to teach stand using food motivation training, I would have the dog on lead in a heel position, hold the food out infront of the dogs nose (making the 'stand' signal and saying stand as it stood) so it stood up and reached for the food, perhaps put my left hand on the dogs tummy to help hold it in position and then give it the food. Could you give me an idea, in steps, of how you'd go about teaching the stand (or stay) using prey drive because I would bet if I used the same technique using the ball rather than food, my dogs would be just jumping and pulling, trying to reach and snatch the ball. I'm sure its really easy, I'm just dumb K9: Ok, when the dog stops jumpingt & sits, we start to slow down the release of the ball, the release also must be passive, just drop the ball to the dog... Next delay the time before dropping the ball, priase slowly "yes" & move the ball closer to the dogs nose... When the dog jumps you pull away the ball, this teaches the dog just to sit, not try & win the ball via speed.... See pic below... When this is the case, you teach the drop, using the ball as a lure... Then throw the ball into the feet of the dog... Then teach 1 dynamic command (after the 2 static). Such as heel or recall... After you have success in all three, treach the stand or what ever you like, as you would with food the dog wont grab at the ball... Promise lol... Edited June 6, 2006 by K9 Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted June 6, 2006 Author Share Posted June 6, 2006 TRAGEDY HAS STRUCK!!! I have lost the NEW favourite ball (on the string). Cracker must have hidden it somewhere this afternoon while I was training in a paddock. May I order half a dozen please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 K9: Stillw aiting for them to arrivce from the states, should be any day now... You like the new ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canid Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 The balls being discussed in this forum, are they the round, reasonably hard balls with nobbles or nodules all around the ball? Is it the ball that Bernahrd Flinks, the German Police dog trainer who goes to the States a lot to teach his method, uses? If so, that would be what Ed Frawley of Leerburg Kennels and Productions has made a DVD about. He also markets these balls. If we are talking about the same balls, then they are gairly easily available from local pet stores. We have been using them in the training of our dogs. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 (edited) K9: No these are different, those white balls only come in one size, & are a bit hard for some dogs.... But thanks for your input... Edited June 7, 2006 by K9 Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 K9 what advantage would I get from the ball over the soft bumper I am currently using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 K9: I feel there is better control of the prey item when its a ball over a bumper... I still sell as many bumpers as balls but I personally prefer the ball.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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