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Oh yeah, I know that well, border collies are taking over on cattle work - if it suits farmers, and they seem to be conducting impressive quality team work - also I heard they reckon that they are even smarter that our cattle dogs! > The return of the brits by the backdoor hah? Right now, my job (I will self assign this, just like work dogs do without your consent) is to shed some light on questions people ask and (about my boxy head cattle dog) even though I have a good response, as I became a passionate about their story since I collected all pieces of the puzzle known around internet and accessible hard copies. However writing it down online will be of great interest not just for prospective owners, and also breeders (had one at the top of this thread showing lots of interest). Got some downtime today here in sunny Queensland and will revise the Australian History today on the ACD page (Wikipedia). And yeah, even though we humans sleep against eachother for comfort, we are all on our own in the end, inexorably deriving in the vast universe that has no end

Just spent $18K on my Wolfie and cant count how many more thousands on my other 4 Lab Rescues all needing cruciate, I looked into insurance for this one as they have an "overbite" and may need extensive dental work in the future, but after reading all the recommendations on here l dont think l would bother now,

Yes it sent red flags with me big time, l was trying so hard to be "Responsible" l thought this was the site to go to as Breeders had to be registered to advertise on here, l didnt realise they can still "hide" behind that and Puppy Farm, he said the parents had to be DNA tested, l thought this would all have to be done before he can sell "purebred" puppies

Thank you, l didnt want to "shame" anyone, but if l dont get the Registration papers in the next week as promised l will be naming the Breeder not only on this site but everywhere l can, l will not support "Puppy Farming" under any circumstances, l am a Foster Carer for many Rescues and have 3 already, l brought a pure bred pup so that we could ensure that we were not contributing to Puppy Farming, we wanted a Bull Terrier as we had one many years ago and they dont come up very often in Rescue, we have a BullMastiffxWolfhoundxDane who has just cost us $18K for cruciate ligaments and other health ailments, we need a dog that he can play with but at the same time not do any further damage with rough play like he does with our BullArab, we also have a Rescue Jack Russell. I have had 4 Labs all with cruciates and all costing in excess of $10K and all Rescues, people dont want them when they find out how much its going to cost to repair and rehabilitate. This is the reason we wanted to make sure the Bully was healthy and that the Breeder was not contributing to an already overwhelmed system.

If your pup is from a dual sired litter, pups would need to be DNA tested for pedigree/registration. So parents would of course need to be profiled too? What did Dogs Victoria say? They should know if breeder is registered with them.

Just a pic of the vaccination? Major red flags Every puppy should have it's own certificate come with it and microchip paperwork The parents or the puppies to be dna'd

apparently this breed of dog have pre-existing issues that Insurance will not cover, if the mother and father show "pre existing" health issues then Insurer is well within their right to deny payment, we were told that in order to insure our Labrador against hip dysplasia, we had to have "hip scores" of parents.

Thats the problem we dont think the parents are registered going by what we have been told in text message, therefore l dont know how they have been able to "sell" purebred pups on this site when they actually are not even registered????

Thank you, we have waited nearly 6months for paperwork to arrive, when l brought my Labrador, his papers were with him when he was picked up, and so were my Ragdolls papers, after taking so long l was starting to get worried, l may have supported a "Puppy Farm" and that would be the worst nightmare for me

Yes l have proof of payment, name, DOB and address of Breeder, what we dont have is any further information, we got a pic with vaccination detail. Ive got text back from Breeder saying that parents had to be DNA tested so they could be lodged with ANKC, my understanding is in order to "sell" purebred puppies on this site this should have already been done, how can they pups be registered if the parents are not????

You are pretty much on your own those who like stumpys keep them many breed them hence so many available for assessment when the register was opened. Others like the cattledog, of course there are others like my friend who prefers the wirehaired stumpies. Just as if you visit Tarana near Bathurst almost. Every property has coolies, majority Merle they are so popular, the patch pattern Merle. The whole reason there are so many different breeds is so many people have different expectations of what they want in their dog

I do. Heard it's complicated to stay within the modern lines of regulation as breeding stumpies is like playing with fire it seems. Thus to remember that a stumpy tail is a natural irregularity. This type canine as in, descent from wolves are supposed to have one, for reasons we aren't aware of, only them to know, unfortunately their English is generally limited to barking, so go find out.. improved balance is my best guess. And you're right, I mean, if my eye would catch the ones from a stumpy that'd fulfil my need of a work dog, I would certainly disregard its minor irregularity as it'd be in full working capacities. Meanwhile I don't support continuity of ASTCD. First of all because it's a bit of a pretentious mouthful to pronounce, can't even say it, and the other because I don't understand why some would break the piggy bank deliberately to own one, but that's just me. Because to my modest understanding, they have the same genetic patrimony of an ACD and have followed pretty much the exact same lineage, provides the exact same features and also they work cattle by nature. Differences are negligible to us. Why is the ANKC ignoring the major differences between an ACD (5 types) and a CDoA (only 3)? Regular passer-by's aren't. So, would you like a recording of the next one that comes asking so I can prove my point perhaps?

Hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. Or the pending results so final

Each time there is a dog/person attack, I think just how frightening it must be

You would need to ask Hilton he knew the lines, too far back for me. Sadly he has passed. Ask dogs NSW if if they still have the book Hilton is mentioned in, it has lots of the early history of the breeders Why are you ignoring the very different physique of ACD v ASTCD? Also are you aware that breeding stumpy tail to stumpy tail parents Means two copies in a pup is lethal. Hence stumpy to tailed stumpy yields bigger live litters

Just looking at the ANKC 2024 registration numbers with 48,820 recorded. This is a drop from 69,335 recorded in 2018. I tried to find the estimated number of puppies bred in 2024, it somewhere between 500,000 and 550,000. This means ANKC members are now breeding less than 10% of puppies sold in Australia. ANKC membership numbers keep falling, now sitting at 27,000 in 2024. Houston, I don’t think we have a problem. I know we have a problem!

To date, I still fail to find any differences behind those 2, long and short tail, that's paddock talk. I know that stumpies are pricing on the high side, however I believe it's just posh and clumsy marketing. Feel.free to check out what kennel clubs say about them. They say short tails don't get caught in gates and also say they have better balance in a tight space. Thing is, if I had a tail myself, I reckon it'd improve my balance drastically, look at kangaroos for example, why is this animal has the reputation to be an excellent boxer? Because they would never kiss the mat, simple. Let me ask you one thing. The pups and grown ups you had then as protectors, were they Bagust's or Bentley's strains?

Sorryeveryone. Double post.

https://7news.com.au/news/german-shepherd-left-limping-and-bleeding-after-vicious-dog-attack-in-maddington-c-20554066

https://7news.com.au/news/german-shepherd-left-limping-and-bleeding-after-vicious-dog-attack-in-maddington-c-20554066

https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-camperdown-dog-attack-man-fights-for-life/673fd6f8-7be1-4b42-997f-7da34004ff5b

I don't know about where you are LG, but in Sydney, nearly all of the emergency vet clinics are now owned by one corporate or another... purely profit driven, so any excuse for a markup is applied... *sigh* That said, when Zeddy decided that midnight on a Sunday was her time, I took her to ARH in Homebush and actually ended up paying a few dollars LESS than my local vet would have charged during business hours. Maybe because I was not hysterical or mumbling about cost, and after leaving the consult room with only a collar and lead, I chatted with some people with a cat with some scary neurological issues and convinced them that it would be best for them to leave her in the clinic overnight... maybe any one or more of those factors came into play when my bill was tallied up? Far different story with Pickles at VSOS in Miranda... the concerted effort to upsell when clearly she wasn't going to get better was atrocious, and they charged more than double what ARH had charged for Zeddy when they finally realised I wasn't going to capitulate to futile and expensive experiments on my clearly very poorly dog, then the next day I got an email AND a text asking me how Pickles was going after her visit... someone clearly forgot to mark her as deceased on their system... grrr! No apology when I called and informed them either. T.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-01/strata-pet-rules-across-australia-as-high-density-housing-rises/104975726

Do you realise there are other stumpies, larger with wire coat. My friend has them, he bought from breeders in Qld n NSW. He calls them Smithfield's He has had them on and off for fifty years, always wire coated No one has applied to have them ANKC recognised He has never had a problem finding a replacement when he wants another when the old one dies Are U going to include them? Have existed parallel to the others Tony said

I've been using the same privately owned vet hospital for years and know there are expectations that they have the latest equipment and technology, but of course then people say they are too expensive! Strangely, as a long term customer who listens to what they tell me and respects their skills and hard work, I often get little freebies from them - extra tests they want to run but didn't ask for approval for don't get charged and they might give me a free cream they've made up themselves to try on a rash. I even have a 10% off VIP card! I was shocked though when I had to use one of those big mobs for Albert (they'd done work on him while he was in rescue and I thought it might be a related issue). I came out of that appointment upsold in ways I have never been upsold before AND I drove and hour to get there. Silly me! I've also used specialist vets - one charged through every orifice they own (and the first so called specialist I saw there misdiagnosed something life threatening) while the other was always minimising costs wherever they could. They even told me about a dermatologist specialist and my doggo could have skin things burnt off in batches rather than repeated surgeries to remove once they got bigger. That actually saved a huge amount of money and a lot of trauma and healing time for my boy. But of course it is hard to shop around when you are in a crisis and at your closest emergency after hours vet dealing with a life and death situation, not being sure you can afford the bill. So maybe some standards could be good. I'm assuming a business will get categorised based on the services they can offer and hospital types with all their fancy equipment will be acknowledged as different to some of the hole in the wall types around where I live. I'll be honest too - why do after hours cost so much? Apart from staff wages that will be different, does it cost more in power, equipment or supplies? I do feel like they take the piss a little. The difference in cost between when my girl was pts first thing upon opening by my usual vet and my boy at the emergency vet (which was his specialist centre during the day) was about 3 times the cost for the same assessment and euth services. Both used the same equipment to assess and 'treat' and likely number of staff. Maybe it is a question I should ask my vet at some stage so I can understand more. I certainly don't begrudge paying for skilled services by supportive professionals but fairness is also important.