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Thanks everyone, we've used Gillman's for years now, but it's great to get feedback from others that they find their sashes to be of great quality. Thanks

I think that I've read on this forum before, but just wondering where clubs order their sashes. I know someone posted a good site that also does horse show sashes/etc. Thanks in advance for any info

I have an eight year old 'singleton pup' She's the sweetest, most easy going dog I've owned. She was raised by an experienced breeder, got lots of handling, etc but nothing all that special AFAIK. Remember so much of the temperament is nature as well as nurture

HUNGARIAN VIZSLAS The Hungarian Vizsla Club of NSW has a GREAT calendar each year - photos of members's dogs in a professionally produced A3 calendar. www.vizsla.org.au

I suspect the company will only speak directly to vets - but you could try calling them on 1 800 033 461 to ask....???? you could also ask your vet to give you a copy of the product info from the packaging...

woops, saw that others have already said it...

Nope, there are LOADS according to the PennHIP site - find a practitioner - http://research.vet.upenn.edu/Default.aspx?TabId=3539 ETS, that they are trained to do the radiograph technique, all readings are done in the US still AFAIK

Maybe, maybe not... Seems even Penn HIP don't actually recommend this procedure - see under Q & A - last question... http://research.vet.upenn.edu/Default.aspx?TabId=3234 My vet has advised a surgical procedure to avoid the development of arthritis in my dog later in life based on the results of his PennHIP examination. Should I have my dog operated on? Answer: Until appropriate randomized and controlled clinical trials are designed and conducted, it is premature to use the Distraction Index as an indication for hip surgery, either remedial or preventive. At present several different surgical procedures (Triple pelvic osteotomy, Juvenile symphysiodesis) have been advocated by some veterinary surgeons to prevent the development of arthritis (degenerative joint disease) later in life in dogs with excess joint laxity (loose hips). None of these procedures have undergone scientific clinical trials that have proven THEIR EFFICACY in preventing the onset or slowing the development of arthritis in dogs with hip dysplasia. Although WE ARE not fundamentally against the use of preventative surgical management of dogs with excessive hip laxity, WE FEEL THE WHOLESALE CLINICAL USE OF PURPORTEDLY PREVENTIVE SURGICAL PROCEDURES BEFORE ADEQUATE TESTING IS CONDUCTED, IS UNJUSTIFIED. WE ADVISE CAUTION! It may be that in the future when good evidence exists to support the efficacy of these procedures their use will be encouraged.

Have you considered having the owner do progesterone testing so that the bitch arrives when everyone knows she's ready - less stress on everyone I reckon

Yes the films do need to go to the US for assessment, but I have heard that it only takes a week or so for the results to be available. Do you have information on the PennHIP results from the puppies who have had surgery? Can you ask your puppy buyers to send you a copy of the official results? Do they confirm the operating vet's opinions that this is necessary surgery?? This would be REALLY interesting information to get I think...

Was discussing this with a friend recently- the general PennHIP 'PUSH' from vets who have paid to become certified for PennHIP and she passed on this abstract on JPS, etc. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17223752 and also there is information on the ACTCA site from their journal - http://www.dogsact.org.au/Journals/November2011%20Electronic.pdf (p.19)

I'd also like to comment on the practice of those that use PennHIP and then report their results ONLY as percentile results. To me this is meaningless, unless the breed is one which has a genepool pretty universally affected by HD Percentile results don't tell us if the information is based on 4 dogs or 400 dogs. It is likely to alter over the years as more dogs are added to the database. AFAIK the PennHIP information indicates that it is the degree of laxity - ie the Distraction Index - which gives the information on the potential to develop arthritic change in the future, and is therefore the meaningful measure.

Oh, thanks Sylvia , should have read further before I responded :D ETS - then I read your response fully and see that we are on the same page completely

I'm not sure who has told you that, but AFAIK ANKC health committee has not withdrawn support for current AVA/ANKC/BVA hip scoring scheme, and for dogs with registrations limited by the need for hip scoring, PennHIP is not acceptable. So I can't see how it will be 'no longer available soon' I think this is the *hope* of some PennHIP practitioners, who have of course a financial interest in the spread of PennHIP Not meaning to sound too cynical....

I leased my bitch back to her breeder and whelped a litter with her blessing. We are very good friends, have known each other for many years, everything was simply verbal based on that long term relationship and understanding. I wanted something from the bitch. All costs, decisions, etc were mine - I just didn't want to start yet another prefix for one litter... and I was happy to work with the prefix I already owned under. ETS that I think that the strength of the relationship with the owner of the bitch is all important

http://breedingbetterdogs.com/pdfFiles/articles/early_neurological_stimulation_en.pdf

They do a lot of repro stuff at Bowral, and unless they've changed, it's Camelot Farms method... Also - Sires On Ice will travel to collect I think....then they provide storage and transportation when required. Will PM you

Something to help your deliberations http://dpctz.com/SNBehaviorBoneDataSnapShot.pdf I'm not as convinced as some others that Christine Zink is a guru, but FWIW, this is a new-ish paper from her

Looks fairly consistent to me....given that the positioning was not satisfactory on the first, these are consistent findings IMHO

This was what I didn't understand - 'Additionally, in my breed, the amount of paperwork that is given out compared to the paperwork returned to the club is quite significant.' Not all breed clubs have this requirement, so I was not sure exactly what you were meaning. Thanks for the further info...

Thanks for that - so is it an ANKC requirement for registration? If the Council's scheme is based on the AVA scheme, is taht information also fed into the ANKC/AVA database? Curious to know how it works. Certainly for breeds which do not require scoring for registration, the breed average can be helpul I believe...

One of the problems owners in our breed have found is that not all readers seem to submit the results to the database. There is information on the forms that shows if the 'information will be shared ....' etc. I know of a number of owners who have thought that the vet who is taking the films - AND supplies a 'score' - is one of the accredited readers and will be submitting the results to the database. I guess it pays for owners to confirm that the scores that have been received have been submitted..... edited to add a link to a page on Vic Dogs with info on the specialist referral resources - http://www.dogsvictoria.org.au/AboutUs/News/CanineHealth.aspx

hmm.... perhaps it was a cached page that I now have?? Here is a link to one of the AVA pages http://www.ava.com.au/sites/default/files/CHEDS%20Info%20Sheet%20for%20Vets.pdf

I don't quite know what you're saying in this post? Of course the information only relates to the dogs whose scores are entered into the database. Better than nothing I'd have thought. And if a breeder consistently x-rays and gathers information on their own dogs, they will have some information to go with. I don't understand this - ? Individuals have access to the 'paperwork' which is given to them when they have the dogs x-rayed?Obviously your breed works differently? The AVA scheme is a closed register, not public like OFFA, and the results are not published. Sorry, just don't understand the context of your comments in the post.....

AVA website - here is a link to an excel file with updates posted this year - http://www.ava.com.au/sites/default/files/AVA_website/pdfs/Breed%20Averages%202009.