BJean

I have 9 dogs and when I am away for three weeks at a time I send the four manageable dogs to the local kennel and the five not manageable dogs, stay on the property with self watering and a caretaker/petsitter checks on the dogs morning and night. My usual vet is on call if needed. I pay the caretaker $40 per day. The caretaker does not live in the house. They visit morning and night: lamb necks to the dogs, feed the cat, hay to the horses and check water supplies.

Ditto. My suggestion wasn't intended to alarm the OP, merely to point out that there are other things which can cause the symptoms. These symptoms? About two weeks ago i was scratching maxs head and a little lump of scab and fur came off - it didnt hurt him, he didnt even notice. I kept scratching and a circle of hair came off with the scabby-like skin. I didnt think much of it and have been keeping an eye on it to see if the hair grows back. I don't think so :)

Black skin is normal part of the healing process. If Max is a German Shepherd. Then he is Agouti like Anatolian. Skin goes black as part of the healing process. Pink skin = inflamed Black skin = area of inflammation is no longer angry and is getting better :)

It will depend on the rules and regulations of Dogs ACT. Dogs Victoria there is no upper age limit. I have transferred 8 & 7 yo from Ltd to Main. Good luck with your girl :) You should show her, you will both have fun

Minimum age for breeding - what a rort that one is.

How loose is loose? Not bothered by the hips if there are no symptoms ... but what is the situation with the Elbows? And why keep him restricted? :) If you are on a large property let him move at his own leisure and develop muscle capacity. If the dog cannot live a relatively comfortable life, and even if the dog COULD you cannot give him to a friend who understands the situation and you cannot keep him, then I would pts.

It's also an aggressive monopolistic business strategy. Eg: Judges from FCI and its signatories (ie ANKC) cannot judge at any other dog show, or breed exhibition unless the event is sanctioned by the FCI or ANKC etc. So if another group of people or breeders wants to develop or learn more about their own breed or even a new breed FCI and friends attempt to shut them down.

Some posters either genuinely do not know about FCI operations, or they have their heads up their a&ses when it comes to the FCI. Yep Kazakh are out - they could not work under FCIs conditions and Turkey - well anyone who thinks *FCI* means anything, go have a look at how KIF is being developed (bodged) and the politics at play. FCI association = "we had lunch with the FCI board first" seriously.

Anatolians live into their teens. My mother has a Central Asian (82kg, 33" at shoulder) that is 9yo. He jogs 3-5km each day with my sister.

Rough coat Anatolians and Leonbergers look very similar. It's not as romantic as the Landseer meets St.Bernard story of the Leonberger breeding program, but I would not be surprised if the lion dog of Turkey ... was used to create the lion dog of Germany. :)

A family Anatolian Shepherd may meet your requirements.

Favourite breeds - functional dogs that don't fall to pieces if they sneeze, don't yap and aren't idiotic (according to me). Anatolian, Central Asia [no surprise]. Least Favourite - idiotic little dogs, hyperactive, either chi's, poms, some staffys, SWFs - basically if it's little and hyperactive and no brain, I don't like it. Absolute Least favourite - owners of Least favourites :laugh:

There are many many different working dogs and are trained in VERY different ways. I see your report also pushes for more 'positive' training. So people with little working dog or let me guess, on paper behavioral experience will be telling working dog people what to do and how to do it. I have experience with working dogs, but I cannot walk onto a farm and tell a multi generational stockman how to train his dogs. Conversely he can't walk into my home and tell me how to improve certain facets of my own dogs performances. Motivation and positive reinforcement will always be a great part of working dogs, without any positive reinforcement the dog will not work, it is impossible. Some dogs just need more then just positive reinforcement (and there is some element of punishment in all forms of training be it positive or negative). People just have to understand POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT IS NOT A TRAINING METHOD IT IS A FACET OF OPERANT CONDITIONING. I also still do not like the fact the report calls them electric shock collars. They do not elicit an electric shock like sticking your finger in a socket, to the animal and their use it not limited to positive punishment. And the main reason most trainers who use electronic collars do not have any formal education or recognised training, is that course providers either do not teach their use or totally discourage them. You would be surprised most people that use them have a more thorough understanding of learning theory then those who just calm them instruments of torture. And as for 'task-specific working dog breeding programs' the government has been instrumental in some instances in helping make this extremely difficult. The banning of equipment and dogsports, as we have here in Victoria, as well as things such as the GSDC refusing to acknowledge Schutzhund and discouraging members from participating - how is that going to help working genetics. You're losing valuable genetics because of the decrease in sports and poo pooing of training methods and equipment that you dont understand why or how they're used. Litters are not magically born all suitable for specific work. And government departments are not given the money in order to specially breed their own dogs as well as import new genetics etc. It's always been left up to the private sector because they have the time and money to do nationally what the government cannot, and on a larger scale. For this reason buying dogs from private breeders has been a better idea. In some instances taking whatever you can get due to the fact that budget does not extend to the normal going rate for a well bred working dog. So what exactly would the government love to glean from this? I gather how to sanitise, categorise, and neatly package the whole concept of working dogs. By then the dogs will probably have to fill out form G8, then B4 in conjunction with sections 2-7 on B5 and wait 4-6 weeks before getting some generic letter that tells them they're allowed to mate? If this was really a whole hearted, genuine initiative researchers should be getting out there and actually physically being present during training, boarding, housing, birthing etc and see what happens instead of take anonymous contributions which you cannot even verify are genuine or complete. Well said Nekhbet. Unfortunately there was not a farkoffbureaucrat option in the survey, so I could not complete it.

You can find information about the Australian Animal Welfare Strategy on the DAFF website: http://www.daff.gov.au/animal-plant-health/welfare/aaws In short, it's a federal government initiative to advance the welfare of all animals in Australia. uh-huh.

You're right, we don't know. You get very little from an article like that. My logic, however, is that cruelty charges tend to be laid less often than they ought to, in my opinion. When they are, I trust that they are warranted, given the things that people get away with, and charges people escape. If something gets to that point, it must be serious. hmm

"They're like the Maremma from Italy except my dogs are from Turkey and Central Asia " (in response to blank stares I list Kazakh, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan ... if all else fails I say old USSR satellite countries). In the absence comprehension about the Maremma analogy I describe the dogs as guard dogs that guard - not herd - the cows, goats sheep etc.

haaa :laugh: It is a mouthful though!

With horses, white hooves are softer and not as durable as dark hooves ... perhaps this is where the superstition comes from?

Perhaps you ought to read the DOL rule about personal attacks. From Sheridan ... the perennial sweetcake

Two nine month old Anatolian x Central Asian female puppies are missing from Wellington shire. One is black and white and the other looks like an Anatolian (fawn with black mask). Just wondering if any one may have seen them in the pound rounds .. the black and white female looks like a large border collie, I doubt she would be breed Identified as Anatolian x Border Collie. Both females are microchipped.

Dogs QLD, like every other Member State of the ANKC, must abide by the Resolutions determined by the ANKC Board. http://www.dogsqueensland.org.au/Breeds.aspx?gid=6 Re "injunction": Member States can appeal an ANKC Resolution, and submit a Rescission Motion but until the ANKC Board determine otherwise, the ANKC Resolution to register the Anatolian Shepherd Dog and Kangal Dog as 'Anatolian Shepherd Dog', is actuated as of January 1st, 2012.

If only it was as simple as looking at a DQ'd dog and agreeing it is not fit for function. Do your visual cues of the DQ'd Bulldog and Clumber indicate they are not fit for function? I don't know the breeds but I assumed that the judges did. Yes so you assume the judges knew the breeds - the judges thought the bulldog looked fit for function. A vet disagreed and then DQ'd the bulldog. You suggest it is so obvious when a dog is not fit for function, that if people can't look at a dog and identify that a dog is not fit, "then perhaps withdrawing from showing and breeding is the best thing for the UK fancy." When you look at the DQ bulldog, do you see a dog that is not fit for function? Lilli, I'm not going to get into a semantic argument with you. I've done it before and all that happens is that I've wasted a shitload of time that I won't get back. I really don't care what you think, say or do, so give it up. :laugh: I love you Sheridan

Actually I think "function" has little to do with it. The judges (trained by successful bulldog breeders/exhibitors) put up the dog that best fit the standard (set by breeders/exhibitors). Possibly. Sheridan applied cause and effect using the words "fit for function", so to ask a question of the same, I utilised the words also.

If only it was as simple as looking at a DQ'd dog and agreeing it is not fit for function. Do your visual cues of the DQ'd Bulldog and Clumber indicate they are not fit for function? I don't know the breeds but I assumed that the judges did. Yes so you assume the judges knew the breeds - the judges thought the bulldog looked fit for function. A vet disagreed and then DQ'd the bulldog. You suggest it is so obvious when a dog is not fit for function, that if people can't look at a dog and identify that a dog is not fit, "then perhaps withdrawing from showing and breeding is the best thing for the UK fancy." When you look at the DQ bulldog, do you see a dog that is not fit for function?

If only it was as simple as looking at a DQ'd dog and agreeing it is not fit for function. Do your visual cues of the DQ'd Bulldog and Clumber indicate they are not fit for function?