BJean
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Desexing simply stops the dog's ability to reproduce and any sexual based aggression (as well as a few other things good and bad but that is not this topic).
Your dog is growling at you because of the relationship between you and your dog.
IT IS A PUPPY.
It was wrong of your vet to suggest desexing would fix the issue between you and your dog.
NB: If this pup behaved this way at 8 weeks, probably that is the base nature of the puppy.
Not that the puppy is a lunatic, but that the puppy is reactive.
What breed is the puppy?
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Could well depend a lot on the breed?
There isn't any chance of getting semen that has already been stored?
Live mating success vs frozen semen success really doesn't mean a lot AFAIK. Some dog's semen simply doesn't freeze well.
Yes I think so. And country of origin.
USA is the easiest to imp semen from wrt established routes, procedures, and communications.
Semen already stored cannot be imported to Australia as it will not meet AQIS semen imp pre-export requirements.
What the vet in the country of origin writes down as the semen quality, doesn't mean much because the semen then has to travel to Australia and through all the variables, through customs and couriers and then to your vet.
So you can have semen assessed at 80% but it doesn't mean it will be 80% when post thawed in Australia.
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We are currently doing this - importing semen from an 11 year old and a 9 year old.
They have just been collected and the 11 year old had 99% motility upon collection and post thaw it was around 80%
Super swimmers for a super dog I say. He has sired a litter of 7 naturally in march. Fingers crossed all goes well.
You wont know till you have the dogs semen assessed.
You will not know until you have puppies on the ground in Australia :)
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Ask if he can have his semen assessed (frozen and thawed) for viability. If you can get the required minimum amount then awesome! Otherwise, is it possible to get semen from a recent male offspring?
I have emailed the vet in his country to see what he thinks and if they think its would be doable....i never thought to have it frozen then thawed over there but dont they do they anyway with any frozen semen to be shipped or even what you collect and store yourself ???
Everything is doable unless it is a clear fail. And of course unless it is clear fail the vets (there and in aus) will tell you there is the chance of a probable result.
But probable result does not mean a puppy result, and imo you will just end up wasting time and money.
Of course if you want to try for a multi thousand dollar gamble, then do it.
i will prob import semen from one of his sons in the future but thought id try him if he is viable enough given his age and his quality and what he produces himself ....do it while hes still alive :p
A more likely outcome for puppy result - to do it while he's still alive - would be to take a bitch to the dog. Yes I know the dog is o/s :)
NB: The correlation between semen 'assessment' and actual semen 'fertility' is around 30%.
I have done lots of stupid (or determined, depends how you look at it) PROBABLE endeavors wrt importing dogs/semen under 'probable' outcomes.
And they have either failed years later, or
I am still hitting my head against a brick wall and throwing money into a black pit that I have no tangible outcome.
I understand about pursuing the probable, and I assure you - vets, 3rd parties, anyone else will always tell you yes it's possible.
But if you ask their advice again, and this time take 10 - 30k out of their pocket - with the return of their money dependent on the success of your proposed venture - no vet, no dog owner will encourage you to pursue the probable.
Honestly, do not waste your bitch's seasons or pin your breeding hopes on what is probable.
probable long shots cost lots of time and lots of money, and frankly I think you have to be demented to pursue them.
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I have to agree with Danois. This year has been very tough for alot of small businesses and it makes me worry more than anything else when i see businesses closing their doors.
Australia is heading into recession (or is already in one except for the time lag of information) and that is why most government jobs are offering redundancy packages to the government workforce.
Commercial real estate is generally a good sign of the general state of the economy.
OP: I think what you are actually cheering on is the financial bite. Not much to do with puppy farm airtime or Oscar law leaflets but prudent business decision making :)
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Health issues are varied. Bloat and torsion are a risk, as with all large chested breeds. Other than that, growth issues are something to be careful of. Arthritis can happen in older danes, although our nearly 7 yo girl is fairly good, our previous dane had it by 2.5 yrs.
Bloat and torsion is not a risk across all large chested breeds.
I don't know how significant the risk of bloat and torsion is within the Great Dane population, but the impression from GD owners and reading the incidences of GDs with bloat on this forum, is that bloat is not an uncommon cause of death.
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Thank you for the explanation Saf :)
Breed Standards are interesting, particularly modern versions. Sometimes it is clear the BS is written for an audience and not the dog. I do not know about WSS to think this is the case for WSS also, but it is the case for what FCI authors in Belgium write about Anatolian.
Your dogs are lovely and I hope WSS continue to thrive in Australia.
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How exciting, your first dog :)
I would only get one dog at first - general rule is if you do not have time for one puppy - and you are a beginner - you definitely wont have time for two puppies. Not matter what breed you get, it will be a learning curve for you, and it is best to learn your way with one puppy. Maybe later when your first dog is mature and you have confidence and experience to manage the challenges that can arise when owning multiple dogs.
I dont know much about the little breeds, maybe an active medium size breed would suit your lifestyle ... a smooth collie? They are active and very placid but are in the smaller size range. Not as small as a westie, but not too big either.
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Dominance isn't something that can be bred into a dog. Rather it is the the character or disposition of something to control or assert authority over another. That isn't genetic, a larger body type, a balanced mind, guarding instincts, protection instincts and intelligence can be bred, dominance is individual to the dog, not the breed.
A dominant dog is regarded as 'dominant' because its determination to carry out its will is foremost. Dominant is a temperament trait and like all traits can be bred in or bred out of a dog.
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3. How common is it in Australia?
Relatively uncommon, and outside dog circles, generally unknown.
4. What is the average lifespan?
12 to 15 years
5. What is the general temperament/personality?
The Anatolian is an ancient breed native to Asia Minor. It is also known as the Turkish Shepherd Dog (Çoban Köpegi) where he protects flocks and serves as a shepherd's companion. On the high Anatolian Plateau, where summers are hot and very dry and winters are cold, the Çoban Köpegi lives outside all year round. For centuries it was used as a combat dog in war and for hunting. It was particularly valued for the victorious battles it could fight with wolves. As a sheepdog, it was bothered by neither fatigue nor bad weather. Today the Anatolian Çoban Köpegi is still used as a sheep dog as well as a guard dog.
Anatolians (ASDs) are suspicious by nature. They like to observe what is around them and make their own mind up on whether something poses a risk or not. In Australia there is no division between working lines or show lines; individual breeders may breed or prefer a certain temperament type.
Some Anatolians are good family dogs some are not. In an assertive rank orientated ASD, human aggression is not unusual. Breed fanciers need to keep in mind the Anatolian is a primitive guardian dog, and as such individual ASDs will exhibit traits (to varying degrees) in keeping with this description.
Some temperament descriptions state: 'ASD, good with children'. TBH I don't know why they write this. It is folklore. A blanket "good with children" for the ASD is simply not true. Yes, some ASD can be very good with children, but it would be applicable to the minority of adult ASDs in Australia. Some ASD do not make good people dogs at all (except for their owner). A prospective owner with children, certainly does not want an assertive, rank orientated ASD living with them in a suburban family home.
6. How much daily exercise is needed for the average adult?
An Anatolian living as a working dog will take care of its own exercise (obviously) :)
An ASD living as a family dog in a farm or rural environment with large paddocks or acreage to roam, will benefit from and enjoy, a one-on-one stroll or activity with its owner each day. This is also excellent for strengthening bonds and reinforcing leadership.
An ASD living as a family dog in a suburban environment will have more difficulty attaining optimal physical condition wrt bones, muscles, and general soundness of structure, because the natural ability for the ASD to move at its own leisure is compromised. That being said, a 1 to 1.5 hour walk every day will be sufficient for an adult ASD. Although it will not tire an adult ASD at all, rather give the ASD an important and enjoyable activity to undertake with its owner.
Adult ASDs should not be exercised off lead in public places.
7. Is it a breed that a first time dog owner could easily cope with?
Generally, no.
8. Can solo dogs of this breed easily occupy themselves for long periods?
No pack animal likes to spend the majority of its time, in its own company. 'Independent' should not be confused with Isolation, and parallels drawn between a solo working ASD living with goats, and an ASD living on its own in the backyard.
An ASD can certainly find something to do ... a bored ASD will almost always find a destructive task (from the human point of view) to occupy itself with, and sometimes a young ASD will be destructive when it is not bored, but just because it can.
From the Anatolian point of view: what does not work the first time, might work the second, and if it adjusts its approach slightly, a different end result might be obtained.
Most Anatolians easily work out how to open doors, go through windows and generally get the most out of their environment and any opportunity that presents itself.
9. How much grooming is required?
The Anatolian has a thick double coat that requires minimal grooming (rough coat varieties require brushing once a fortnight). The Anatolian coat sheds lightly all year round, dropping more coat with the changing seasons. Brushing and washing required is minimal - if the Anatolian gets dirty, the mud tends to dry and fall off their coat and they look clean again. In Turkey the shepherds’ dogs are never brushed, so when they shed their undercoat it gathers like dreadlocks until the coat falls out in pieces likes a shedding sheep.
10. Is it too boisterous for very small children or for infirm people (unless the dog is well trained)?
Because of their size and strength, a family Anatolian should always be supervised when being the companion of young children.
Regarding the infirm: common sense dictates that modern companion purpose breeds are a more appropriate breed choice, over a primitive guardian dog. An infirm person cannot properly control their ASD if the need arises.
11. Are there any common hereditary problems a puppy buyer should be aware of?
Overall the Anatolian is a robust, hardy breed. There are incidences of hip dysplasia and entropion in the Australian ASD population, but these are not endemic in the breed.
ASD owners need to be responsible for their own contribution to their Anatolian's health and well being, and not overfeed their ASD, as well as ensuring their ASD has the appropriate level of exercise for its age and environment.
Excluding the baby puppy period, ASDs should be kept lean for the first 12 to 18 months.
12. When buying a puppy, what are the things you should ask of the breeder? (eg what health tests have been done (if applicable) and what is an acceptable result to those tests so the buyer has an idea of what the result should be)
All Anatolians are not suited to all homes.
Puppy buyers should find an ANKC Registered breeder who will consider the type of Anatolian that will match their requirements IE: type of household (children, other pets), environment (suburban, rural), expectations (ie what you want to do with the dog: stock guard, family companion), and determine a suitable puppy accordingly.
Anatolians are not the type of dog where it will benefit the puppy buyer to choose for themselves, which ASD puppy they should live with. An ill matched puppy and home can encounter problems as early as their first week together - if you find your ASD puppy is more of a challenge than you expected, then contact your breeder asap ... ASDs rarely change their mindset, but we can change the way in which an ASD is managed.
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Gorgeous dogs, are they barkers like the maremmas and pyrs?
It's dusk here -
and you cannot hear Brasco barking? :laugh: :)
Some are barkers some are not, of course it depends on what they are barking at ... CAS are a lot more reactive than maremmas and pyrs. Generally CAS bark and run forward.
I guess the things to know about CAS, are they really do mean it when they bark, and they will use physical force to make their point.
You will be hard pressed to introduce an adult dog to an adult CAS on the CAS' territory and not see a reaction from the CAS; with some CAS this can be applied to anywhere. CAS also mean it when they get in an altercation, so you have to keep this in mind wrt other dogs.
A mature CAS will generally not accept your friends and family, no matter how regularly they visit. Of course, they may be nice as pie while their owner is nearby and have their cutest bear face on, but dont be deceived - according to the CAS you are in their owner's residence by grace only, and this can be removed immediately.
A CAS living well in the suburbs is the exception not the norm.
Before the FCI tweaked the breed standard to make it more PC, the temperament summary read: active defense.
imo that is accurate.
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Hi all,
We have a 9 week old Samoyed and we are planning to share him across 2 homes.
Start to the end of the week he will be with my fiancee and with me towards the end of the week.
Will this confuse him in terms of owner, training and etc ?
Thanks.
Why do you plan to share him - is it a short term only?
What are your reasons - is it because you think it will be in the puppy's best interest?
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you know you are members of a internet forum not royalty and i want nothing to do with online fights pointless. But i wont pretend i did something i havnt. the info on this forum is great but the attitude of some seems to be lacking.
Sorry Ash1 it seems i have angered some on here not sure why but it partly my fault. You seem like a great person and wat you are doing in rescueing these dogs is incredible keep up the great work hope everything works out okay with you and little spud good luck,
Oi!
Mr little postcount man -
YOU dont have an opinion.
It's only Yes Sir and Yes Maam from you mister!
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I just checked your post count Lili wow!! I might aswell only have 12 posts compared to you :) I bet you have given some fantastic advice since you have been here for 8 years!!! wow
Regard Postcount as a barometer of procrastination expertise.
When I am on DOL
you know I am not doing what I should be doing.
I have not given fantastic advice. But I have absconded a fantastic amount of time.
:)
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you know you are members of a internet forum not royalty and i want nothing to do with online fights pointless. But i wont pretend i did something i havnt. the info on this forum is great but the attitude of some seems to be lacking.
Sorry Ash1 it seems i have angered some on here not sure why but it partly my fault. You seem like a great person and wat you are doing in rescueing these dogs is incredible keep up the great work hope everything works out okay with you and little spud good luck,
Oi!
Mr little postcount man -
YOU dont have an opinion.
It's only Yes Sir and Yes Maam from you mister!
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Nobody can say whether the dog should be rehomed or pts because no one has seen the dog or its behaviour. Let's leave it to the professional to make the assessment. Yes some pigging breeds can be DA but so can working breeds, herding breeds, hounds, toys, you name it. This dog could be aggressive and need to be pts or it could be easily fixed, the point is WE DON'T KNOW and arguing and finger pointing isn't going to solve the problem. Staffydave I would highly advise as a new member that you don't start fights or cause issues. It's not a good look.
I agree with this, nobody knows the O.P in person nor have the seen the dog so assumption making and blame passing etc is not necessary and I agree fighting with long term members after only being a member for less then 2 months and only having accumulated 12 posts..... * sigh*... I am not even going to go there. I just hope that the O.P can get everything worked out.
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Staffydave please continue to post as you see fit.
:)
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Staffydave. I think what you are missing is that the behaviour that you think is normal in this dog, is the same behaviour that most people in our community really don't want to see in any pet dog. Determined aggression can be dangerous.
It is you making a big deal of the breed. Nobody else is judging the behaviour by whether it is ok for a breed, only by whether it is ok for a dog of any breed.
I am so glad the OP has recognised the seriousness and has contacted a behaviourist to examine the behaviour in depth.
yes !
A lot of behaviours which are normal for dogs ..are also not acceptable when those dogs are in close confines /living with humans, in houses.
To a lesser extent, behaviour like protecting resources, marking objects, digging beds/dens are normal canine things..but not what owners want happening in their houses/around their families.
Let's not confuse what is acceptable behaviour with what is normal dog behaviour.
If an owner does not want their dogs to fight, then act as an owner and deal with the situation so the dogs do not fight.
Too bad what most people in the community want from their pet dog. It doesn't change what their dog is. It is a dog. If owners dont want to see aggression from their pet dogs, then owners should manage their dogs in an informed way, not with a politically correct ethos that has zero application to the instinctive world of animals.
Yes, it is not acceptable for one dog to exhibit aggression at another dog it lives with,
but it is certainly NORMAL.
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it sounds like normal dog behaviour.
As someone who often has young, male dogs (and usually entire until they pass all testing), I'd very strongly disagree with this.
Posturing is normal, minor spats are acceptable but what the OP described does not sound like normal behaviour to me.
Sounds totally NORMAL:
Spud sounds normal.
Murphy sounds normal.
They all just dont get along. <Big deal :) rehome Spud with disclosure and to a suitable home>
Hardly a pts situation for two young upcoming males and not even blood drawn.
Over the past two/three days our young Bull Arab (Spud, 10mths) has attacked our Dobie/Husky cross (Murphy, 12 mths old)a few times, with absolutely no provocation. The four young dogs spend most of the day running around our large fenced dog yard (about two acres fenced off for them) or sleeping. They play roughly, but well together, however now Spud has attacked Murphy with what looks like real intention. No blood has been drawn, but I am very fearful it may not be far off if we don't address the situation immediately.
The OP is experiencing normal pack dynamics.
Have dog owners become so removed from what is dog
that a 10 month old upcoming male going for the 12 month old male, seems abnormal?
OP: What you see and what the dog sees are not the same thing.
So now you have learned that two young males which are friends as baby puppies, are often not friends as they become young adults.
As an owner of large dogs where DA is not abnormal, I can tell you if there was no blood drawn or physical injury, then the fight was not far up the barometer of serious dog fight. If Spud had a high propensity for DA
1. you would have seen the behaviour earlier
2. the attack would have been more serious
It is obvious that Spud and Murphy cannot coexist.
It is no shortcoming on your behalf and there is nothing abnormal about the circumstance (okay upsetting yes, but this is what can happen when you have multiple dogs).
If it gives you peace of mind, enlist the help of a behaviorist to help you reach a decision, and also to give you a better assessment of your pack dynamics, as it sounds like you would benefit from this also :)
NB: Aggression is not a disease. It is not something that is 'fixed', but something that is managed.
In your case, management is keeping the two dogs forever separated.
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Am I confusing two things here - is there a Rare Breeds Showcase stall or something, that will feature rare breeds each day? Or is that a general focus, and rare breed clubs will be having their own stalls?
Either way, this is so exciting! I'm heading to the Show on Thursday (POODLE DAY
), I can't wait to see all these dogs!Yes, I think it is two breeds per day, from the 29th to Oct 2nd.
Each breed has 4 x 30mins Q&A session with the public.
On Monday October 1st, the Tibetan Mastiff and Anatolian Shepherd are featured.
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ASDCV's Fun Day At the Royal
As part of the Royal Melbourne Show's Rare Breed Showcase,
the Anatolian Shepherd Dog Club Of Victoria Inc
will be conducting a meet the breed and information stand
on: Monday October 1st, 2012.
Members of the public, prospective Anatolian Shepherd owners, trainee judges, ASDCV members
are invited to attend ASDCV's Fun Day At the Royal
to meet the Anatolian Stars and to ask questions about the breed.
Anatolian Stars Confirmed in attendance:
Bear
Cosette
Calaf
Galatea
Humphry
& Obi
For more information about ASDCV's Fun Day at the Royal, please see the ASDCV Events Webpage
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Hope its okay to join your thread Saffioraire :)
ASDCV's Fun Day At the Royal
As part of the Royal Melbourne Show's Rare Breed Showcase,
the Anatolian Shepherd Dog Club Of Victoria Inc
will be conducting a meet the breed and information stand
on: Monday October 1st, 2012.
Members of the public, prospective Anatolian Shepherd owners, trainee judges, ASDCV members
are invited to attend ASDCV's Fun Day At the Royal
to meet the Anatolian Stars and to ask questions about the breed.
Anatolian Stars Confirmed in attendance:
Bear
Cosette
Calaf
Galatea
Humphry
& Obi
For more information about ASDCV's Fun Day at the Royal, please see the ASDCV Events Webpage
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Hi everyone, I was wondering whether you could please help me.
I was keeping an eye out for a dog for my grandmother. She wants a Shih Tzu type dog, one with a "squished face".. I was showing her photos of dogs to find what the breed she was describing was and that's what we came up with
She would like a white or cream one, either sex, and I was looking for any age up to 3-4 yrs old but I found out my uncle was looking to buy her a dog and he wants it to be a puppy, we just spoke and he'll compromise up to 6-8 months. If I don't find a rescue he will go to a breeder which I desperately want to avoid. I was hoping whether anyone seeing a dog that fitted the 'criteria' could please alert me to it?
We are situated in SA but can adopt from any state.
My grandmother has owned a Maltese and a Chinchilla from puppy-hood/kitten-hood to their last breath and has always given them the utmost care and attention and adored them. The puppy will drive with her everywhere and be taken for walks three times a day by my grandfather as well as sit 'al fresco' beside them in cafes; will be an indoor dog of course and sleep on their bed: it will be safe and treasured each day until it's last.
Thank you for your time reading this.
Why do you desperately want to avoid going to a breeder, when a good breeder can give your grandmother exactly what she wants. With a known background of lineage, health and temperament characteristics.
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Oh no it wasn't you Scooby was it ... She could at least LOOK a little more guilty
I don't even know how to get all that cleaned up ... can someone remind me when I put my foot down and said I am never getting another rescue dog again I took this bloody thing in? And now, somehow, am getting suckered in by OH and all my friends that I have to keep her because she's doing so well at my place?
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I saw a lovely Mal puppy at KCC park on walkies with her owner.
in a word:
wired
Their gorgeous but wayyyyyyy too much energy for me to handle
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Everytime you do this you teach him success.
I have no idea what you try to achieve by feeding the dog with one hand and then being unpredictable (from the dogs point of view) and patting it with a gloved.
Two of my own dogs would take my arm/hand off for that. I can go near them when they eat of course, but I cant be a banana and introduce random objects into what they regard as a very serious time.
of course...
There are a few things you have written, the way you describe what is happening and what you see in the dog, which to me indicate you need an objective assessment (ie professional intervention) of what is actually going on. Don't assume the dog is nuts and its eyes are glazing over. Usually what you see is not a blank meaningless stare, but a blank stare of intent.
Be careful.
And seek professional help from someone who is experienced working with HA in dogs.
(and get rid of the glove).