Puppoochi

Because we're meant to be living in a bloody community perhaps? Because there's shitloads of people who have to put their animals down for simple things like broken legs? Or maybe because most people own at least one pet in their lives? :laugh: You act as if people's taxes actually go to everything they believe in!

Penumbra you act as though tax payers owe you a living.

Bloody oath. Also, I'm a firm believer in Medicare for pets. With all the crap taxes go on already, surely the average tax payer wouldn't mind some of it going towards pet health insurance. The average tax payer owns a pet, no?

that ain't never gonna happen, EVER. Why should someone who chooses not to have pets, pay for your insurance? You have got to be kidding right?

My collars are very special every day collars but definitely not for a coated show dog. My show dogs don't wear collars either, but after their show career is finished, they get cut off and wear glamorous collars every day.

Of course Australia is not listed on there, this is OUR AQIS listing of countries

doh

There's only two country groups now Sheridan

List of proposed Group 1 and Group 2 countries

Group 1

American Samoa, Antigua & Barbuda, Argentina, Austria, Bahamas, Bahrain, Barbados, Belgium, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Brunei, Bulgaria, Canada, Canary & Balearic Islands, Cayman Islands, Chile, the Republic of Croatia, the Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Falkland Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, Fiji, Finland, France, French Polynesia, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Guam, Guernsey, Hawaii, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Isle of Man, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jersey, Kuwait, Luxembourg, Macau, Malta, Malaysia (Peninsular, Sabah & Sarawak only), Mauritius, Monaco, Montenegro, the Netherlands, Netherlands Antilles & Aruba, New Caledonia, Norway, Papua New Guinea, Poland, Portugal, Puerto Rico, Qatar, Republic of South Africa, Reunion, Saipan, Serbia, Seychelles, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, South Korea, Spain, St Kitts & Nevis, St Lucia, St Vincent & the Grenadines, Sweden, Switzerland (including Liechtenstein), Taiwan, Trinidad and Tobago, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United States, United States Virgin Islands, Uruguay, Vanuatu, Wallis and Futuna, Western Samoa.

Minimum of 10 days quarantine and rabies vaccination

Group 2

Cocos (Keeling) Islands, New Zealand, Norfolk Island.

No quarantine required

australia's not there, are we in group 2?

Honestly, Puppoochi, I find it somewhat puzzling that you would post such opinions on a dog forum given your line of business.

and what opinions are they? That I would like to see an end of BYBs breeding and selling anything to anyone? Basically that's it, that's my opinion. What's wrong with that?

Some people seem to think that people who want BSL over turned are obliged to offer an alternative strategy to curb dog attacks - Wrong.

obliged? Necessity is the mother of invention.

Dogs are being murdered because of how they look. Innocent dogs that haven't done anything wrong.

Is this right?

Yes or no, I don't care who bred them or who owns them. It's a simple question of right or wrong.

you not caring about that is a huge problem

You are a huge problem :)

ah here we go, personal insults

Honestly, Puppoochi, I find it somewhat puzzling that you would post such opinions on a dog forum given your line of business.

and what opinions are they? That I would like to see an end of BYBs breeding and selling anything to anyone? Basically that's it, that's my opinion. What's wrong with that?

Dogs are being murdered because of how they look. Innocent dogs that haven't done anything wrong.

Is this right?

Yes or no, I don't care who bred them or who owns them. It's a simple question of right or wrong.

you not caring about that is a huge problem

I suspect that m-sass and puppoochi are the same person.

Judging by the repeated use of the term "landshark" I wouldn't be surprised.

you must be m-sass too, you used the term "land shark" as often as me.

Your suspicions are wrong, just as wrong as you all are at twisting what people say to try to make them look bad.

m-sass, we know how to avoid having our dogs taken away. That is not the point, at least it's not my point.

I understand what you're saying, and I understand the law, point is I do not agree with it. You seem to dislike crossbreeds, I could be wrong but that's how your posts come across. The ANKC is not the be all and end all of dogs, and there is NO excuse as far as I'm concerned, to kill dogs that haven't done anything wrong.

No excuse.

Exactly Aussie3, hatred of crossbreeds seems to be the main point that m-sass has to support bsl. what an awful thing, to condemn a dog simply because it lacks the "right" paperwork seems completely unethical and inhumane.

I know that this is a pedigree dog forum but most people here surely have the compassion not to kill a dog just because it doesn't look like their ideal of a perfect dog.

Looks shouldn't Kill

Funny, I got the impression that m-sass was meaning that if you choose to own a dog that resembles a restricted breed, be prepared for the worst. Please QUOTE m-sass in future, because I do believe you are twisting her/his words and reading into something that hasn't been written.

AN Australian bulldog that bit the face of a nine-year-old boy as he peered over a fence at Port Lincoln has been put down.

Problem is it's always the same crap involved 9 times out of 10, whatever an Australian Bulldog is, but another "good" dog that can't determine what's a threat and what isn't like little Ayen's killer, what was last weeks, oh another Mastiff X thing that breaks it's collar, kills a little dog, injures another and bites a lady........seriously what do these mongrels think they are protecting for the necessity to kill and people can't understand why laws are tightening up on these "type" of dogs

Dogs with serious foggy headed aggression are hard to handle and difficult to train for novice or irresponsible owners and although I agree in principal that the deed should over ride the breed, but some innocent person or other animal will be the recipient of the deed for action to follow and preventing the deed caused by these half arsed breedings is what scooping up this type of dog is about to save the innocent recipients of the deed from suffering.

So we don't agree with the random BYB's breeding crap dogs, but we are supposed to fight to save their products??, we either support BYB's or we don't and sorry I don't, I hate them passionately and always have done whether they are farming pet shop oodles or producing junk yard guard dogs they are all the same dogs with a different leg action.

So I suppose this http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/story/143478/puppy-killed-by-vicious-dalmatian/ is just a one off attack by a non aggressive breed so it is okay? Because Dali's heads aren't normally foggy with aggression.

We aren't fighting to save BYBers and their over bred dogs. We are fighting to save certain breeds of dogs who are being discriminated against based on appearance. BYB's over breed many breeds of dogs, that isn't going to stop until legislation changes. You may not like bull breeds, but that is no reason for them to be eradicated.

Laws like this are just the beginning It is bull breeds now, what is going to be next? Your head just seems to me to be foggy with hatred, maybe you need to channel your aggression into fighting BSL with the rest of us.

You are not fighting to save certain breeds at all as the dogs people are fighting over are all BYB's of no specific breed as such that have no recognised standard. It's not the beginning of anything as the precident on what will be next was set with the Amstaff's exclusion from BSL although it's essentially a Pitbull of some degree. When a court determines that an Amstaff is a Pitbull and then specifically the Amstaff is excluded from BSL and not added to the list proves the point of where things are heading and confirms that ANKC recognised breeds are safe. If breed restrictions were on the agenda, the Amstaff would have been done and dusted..........and what happened??, the Amstaff being a recognised breed was excluded like any other recognised breed would be in the same instance. If they did for example try and add Dalmations onto the BSL list and ban them suddenly, the Amstaff sets the legal precident to overturn the decision immediately.

Ask the question again what breed could be next?..........any breed or mixture of that is not ANKC recognised, again the choice is in the hands of the consumer if you want a dog that the rangers won't be scooping up, buy papered from a registered breeder or choose a cross breed or un-papered dog that doesn't resemble a restricted breed..........how hard is that seriously??

it's not hard at all. The only problem is that a lot of the numb nuts that want to own a "tough guy dog" are rejected as suitable owners by registered ethical breeders of Am Staffs.They have no choice but to go to the BYBs to get their "land shark". BYBs are accountable and should be stopped.

Might I just add these dogs are not "tough" a pitbull or pitbull mix is not a "tough" dog what a silly remark, its like saying small breeds are yappy and bloody annoying, or all small breeds have little dog syndrome thus must be put down because you never know when a Chihuahua is going to run out of its yard and puncture your ankle! TOTAL GENERALISATION AND LOAD OF CROCH S*#T.

Whatever you reckon. This is the kind of reply I would be expecting from one eyed anti BSL supporter. Nothing constructive to ad, just there,ready to denigrate anyone they can, even if they have to twist what people say.

To my mind, you are missing the point of anti-BSL, which is that a what a dog does isn't tied to its breed and that any dog can go bad in the hands of a useless owner, even indeed, chihauhuas.

So, I have to ask, what is it that you want?

Are you like m-sass, wanting all crossbreeds dead?

Are you pro-BSL to the extent that anything that looks like a pitbull, no matter what its actual background, is sent off to the slaughterhouse?

I am missing something and I hope you can explain what you mean.

I don't think that I read anywhere that m-sass is wanting to see all crossbreeds dead? Can you please show me where that is written? I wouldn't want to think that you are twisting what others are saying here.

Might I just add these dogs are not "tough" a pitbull or pitbull mix is not a "tough" dog what a silly remark, its like saying small breeds are yappy and bloody annoying, or all small breeds have little dog syndrome thus must be put down because you never know when a Chihuahua is going to run out of its yard and puncture your ankle! TOTAL GENERALISATION AND LOAD OF CROCH S*#T.

Whatever you reckon. This is the kind of reply I would be expecting from one eyed anti BSL supporter. Nothing constructive to ad, just there,ready to denigrate anyone they can, even if they have to twist what people say.

The idiots that churn these dogs out are accountable yes.

The idiots that then go and buy their tough guy dog from one of these idiots are equally accountable.

And yes, ignorance is no excuse where the law is concerned.

Why is it so easy to acquire a tough dog?

Anti BSL campaigners are always so quick to gang up and tear people down.

I've been on this forum before suggesting to make it more difficult to own certain types of dogs, but you all didn't want to hear that.

I'd like to know what strategies anti BSL people have come up with so the general community is able to feel safe around potentially dangerous dogs.

I have a friend that owns a pitty and he even says himself that his dog will kill mine given the chance. He's very dog aggressive, and he's not the first dog aggressive one I've met.

It's all well and good to go on about the reasons as to why BSL isn't working, what is your solution?

If councils enforced existing laws - not pitbull laws - about unleashed dogs, unfenced dogs, and dog attacks there would be no problem. However, they are too busy running around snatching supposed pitbulls to actually properly enforce the laws. Read the forums here and see how many bad dogs are out there, and how little the councils have done to contain or remove them.

The solution is in all our hands. Firstly, you report your friend's dog to the council, owning a dog like that is a problem waiting to happen. Any dog which is dog aggressive does not belong in public, no matter what breed. A GSD or a Mastiff could be just as dangerous.

We should all report problematical dogs - and annoy councils until they do something about them.'

Pitbulls have been targeted in Qld for years - I don't suppose there are too many remaining. Yet the bite stats have not reduced.

The dog is not in public and I will NOT report my friend for having the dog. The dog is confined to the property and is a much loved family pet that has done no harm as far as I'm aware of. I do not however bring my dogs to his house.

I don't think it's so easy to just say there is one solution. My solution would be more education and information regarding dog ownership, esp socialisation.

This is what you don't seem to get....the dogs being killed have done NOTHING WRONG. How is killing friendly dogs keeping people safe? Easy answer. It's not.

You believe the hysterical media and think that if only there were no pit bulls we'd all be safe. This is utter nonsense.

There YOU are telling me what I am believing, and in the next sentence what you believe me to believe is utter nonsense.

What a lovely comment and such a great contribution. Congratulations, well done!!!

The idiots that churn these dogs out are accountable yes.

The idiots that then go and buy their tough guy dog from one of these idiots are equally accountable.

And yes, ignorance is no excuse where the law is concerned.

Why is it so easy to acquire a tough dog?

Anti BSL campaigners are always so quick to gang up and tear people down.

I've been on this forum before suggesting to make it more difficult to own certain types of dogs, but you all didn't want to hear that.

I'd like to know what strategies anti BSL people have come up with so the general community is able to feel safe around potentially dangerous dogs.

I have a friend that owns a pitty and he even says himself that his dog will kill mine given the chance. He's very dog aggressive, and he's not the first dog aggressive one I've met.

It's all well and good to go on about the reasons as to why BSL isn't working, what is your solution?

Any group 7 results?

Do anyone have any results for group 7 for Saturday?

I hope you all stayed warm.

BB

Best in Group : Great Dane

Aust Gr Ch Darkat Agent Provocateur

Sunday

BIS- std poodle... Ch Ahornstreets Vallimont

Ru- puli

Neuter- wei

Group 7

Big- std poodle

Ru- kee "Ben"

Baby- dali

Minor-dane

Pup- dali

Jun- frenchie

Inter-big

Aust- jap

Open-rubig

Neuter- std poodle

WooHoo Caroline, you must be stoked. Do you have to work tomorrow? Time for a party!!!!!

Is Cental Park, the park that's on the crn of Wattletree Rd / Burke Rd? I sometimes stop there for the dogs to have a fun run after I come home from KCC Park. Sounds like a definite maybe.

I'd like to know why the MDBA in their Codes of Conduct, have no restrictions on how often a bitch can be bred or how many times she can be bred. As far as I'm concerned a puppy farmer can have as few as a handful of dogs and breed them back to back until they drop dead. This is also an act of cruelty. I think the MDBA should review their codes of conduct.

interesting, it appears the more athletic breeds are the luckier ones.