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WOW I must admit I was reading this thread thinking how is he going to gain enough weight in just a few days..... How good are those Satin ball things really interesting thread, and something to keep a note of

I'd encourage her to take it to the vet for a check up. Does he drink/urinate a lot? Our Dalmatian, began to loose weight despite eating like a horse, he also had tremors and shivers. One vet said it was an old age thing and he was feeling the cold Eventually Another vet tested for parathyroid problems, kidney problems, ended up being cancer. I realise our old dog is different from these Dane pups, but If we hadn't stuffed around trying to fatten him up and keep him warm, as the first vet said it was geriatric problems, and asked for tests earlier we may have got to the cancer sooner.

I thought they were restricted in NSW like the electronic containment systems, guess not. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FACTS SHEET K-9 Collars (6/5/2005) A New South Wales man faces fines of almost $20 thousand dollars for using prohibited shock collars on his dogs. The collars are banned south of the boarder but not in Queensland were he bough them. Animal lover Gavin Price admits his dogs can get a little rowdy... So when a Tweed Heads council ranger suggested he buy special collars to stop them barking by administering an electric shock he followed orders. It wasn't until an RSPCA officer knocked on Mr Price's door that he realised he'd been breaking the law. Greg Price (Dog Owner): “I couldn't say much. I said I can't believe you're doing this.” The officer issued him with a notice to appear in court for using the shock collars, which are prohibited in New South Wales, but not in Queensland where he bought them. But the pensioner says it's not hard to misunderstand the law because the collars are advertised in New South Wales papers. Greg Price (Dog Owner): “I feel like I'm being made an example of.” The New South Wales RSPCA says they're banned for good reason. K9-Collars sell about a hundred a week and claim the product is harmless. Barry Meikle (K – 9 Collars) “It gets a little static correction like when you touch a car or TV – it’s one sixth of that.” While the collars aren't banned in Queensland, the RSPCA can prosecute if there are visible signs of trauma around the animal’s neck. But the organisation says that's not good enough and the State Government should prohibit their use altogether. Mr Price will face court in a fortnight on three charges which each carry a $6,000 fine. (Ends) For more information, contact your local RSPCA

Good point I went and checked out the current legislation great website for checking things like this http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/maintop/search/inforce Not that it's relevant to the discussion anymore but here it is for anyone else interested sorry for long post but I wanted to be sure :rolleyes: NSW Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 No 200 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16 Certain electrical devices not to be used upon animals ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (General) Regulation 1996 Schedule 1 Electrical devices (Clause 13) Column 1 Type of device Column 2 *Purpose or circumstance Electro-immobiliser *Restraining cattle, but only if used by a veterinary surgeon for purposes other than as an alternative to analgesia or anaesthesia Electric stock prod *Driving, herding, mustering or controlling weaned cattle or swine Electric fence *Confining, controlling or protecting animals (except dogs and cats) Electro-ejaculator *Collecting semen from conscious cattle or sheep Collecting semen from animals that have been tranquillised and administered with an analgesic or animals that have been anaesthetised The device sold under the name of a Kawe stock prod (including any similar device delivering an electric shock of no greater intensity or duration than a Kawe stock prod) *Controlling horses being used in a rodeo Electric stock grid *Confining stock animals (except poultry) Electric fightback lure *Training coursing dogs Electro-fishing device *Catching fish species under licence, permit or authority under the Fisheries Management Act 1994 or in accordance with the Animal Research Act 1985 The device sold under the name Pingg String (including any similar device delivering an electric shock of no greater intensity or duration than a Pingg String) *Confining dogs or cats, but only if used inside a fence through which dogs or cats cannot pass and that is not less than 1.5 metres high Canine invisible boundary *Confining dogs, but only if used inside a fence through which dogs cannot pass and that is not less than 1.5 metres high Electronic bird deterrent device *Deterring birds from roosting on building ledges and other external building surfaces Any other device producing an electrical discharge that is used in such a way that the animal in relation to which it is being used cannot move away from the device ------------------------------------- Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (General) Regulation 1996 Status Information Currency of version This is the latest version of this legislation. Legislation on this site is usually updated within 3 working days after a change to the legislation. This version was last updated on 31 August 2004. This version relates to the period commencing on 21 July 2000 to date. Act under which legislation made This legislation was made under the Prevention of Cruelty Animals Act 1979 Date made 23 August 1996

Yes you're right afton But I understood from the thread you posted that those situations were because of the visitors, not the owner. She was just as upset as you are. A bit hard to discuss threads across different forums :rolleyes: I can see where you are coming from best to add your concerns to the original thread on that forum. As to zap collars in general, they have their pros and cons and it depends on the individual dogs behaviour and how they are used (or missused) as to whether they are cruel or not. I've never used or seen one so I'll stop commenting on this thread now I was just curious about the legal stuff which is why I jumped in. cheers

I've read the link now (in the general section) No alarm bells ringing here, she's aware of the limitations (risks with visitors forcing the dogs near the flags) and she's getting lots of sensible training advice from the other members.

which forum is it in ??

afton, I haven't read your link yet But the way I understand it is you do need to have a decent fence behind the electronic system. The zap is to stop them testing the fence and pushing or climbing it. I didn't think it was designed to be used alone. yes, The quoted bits are in relation to electronic collars and invisible fence containment systems

basically the RSPCA is wrong, sorry, they don't like them so aren't going to tell people they are ok. NSW ##Restricted - in accordance with the act in NSW an electronic underground fence must be used "inside a fence through which dogs cannot pass and that is not less than 1.5 metres high" EDIT: kitkat, there are no restrictions in QLD unless this website is out of date http://www.lovemypet.com.au/mall/state.htm

They were illegal but aren't anymore from the innotek website; InAustralia, the misguided belief that the system was somehow harmful to dogs resulted in it being outlawed in New South Wales until last 3 years ago. Happily that law has been changed and when you consider that the output of one of these collars is 3,000 times less than an electric fence, itʼs about time

are they illegal in NSW or is it just that the RSPCA doesn't recommend them I wouldn't believe the RSPCA without being shown some sort of documentation. Ask them to fax you the section of the act that says they are illegal just to be sure.

There are some great articles on this website that might help http://www.k9force.net/trainlinks.html K9force is also a member on DOL but I'm guessing he doesn't get time to contribute to the forum anymore.

Oh Mags that's just aweful Dare I ask did they bring the poor love home to lay to rest ? At least she's at peace now

Lucky you Ricey Molly rolls in every disgusting thing she can find. Straight out of the bath she'll run to dig up a fetid bone and roll all over it, have a chew and bury again.

Oh dear Fido I was hoping it was something simple (as we all were I'm sure) I'm so sorry to read that she has gone Having to make a similar decision a few years ago I know your heart must be broken in 1000 pieces right now :D My sympathies for you and your family Vale Jessie

Rescue dogs that are in foster homes are well and truely temp tested as they have been living in a home environment, sometimes with dogs/cats/kids. Well worth lookng into a dog from a Rescue group. Very Different to RSPCA or Pound environment.

I only just saw this thread today and I was thinking... OH no not another canned food case So glad everything is going well now for Larry What is intersusseptions ?

I wonder if any vets around the country have had any sudden death cases and not found a link (not knowing what has happened with multiple collies, they may not be looking for food related probs in any cases presented) So glad one has pulled thru :rolleyes:

Is she toileting alright I'm tempted to think something is in her tummy too. Ate the plastic wrapping off meat or sausages etc.. . All the best I hope she starts to improve soon

I'm so sorry Rozzie That is so sad What a brave boy you are Luther R.I.P

Oh I love the last two lines the best

I for one appreciate K9force contributing to the forum when he can. I have gleaned a lot of practical tips from reading the threads he's participated in, as well as the other trainers and members here. And I hope people like him continue to pop in regularly.

I just wanted to mention that telling the dog off, like your friends did, might not have got the message to the dog... he might have thought he was getting into trouble because there are people on the track, not because he barked. I have learnt that when the dog barks at someone it's better not to reprimand them. I know it's hard as the first reaction is to tell them they are bad, especially in front of the person that was scared by the dog. But next time the dog will try and bark sooner (increase the distance) or louder as the person approaches. It's like "hey you back off, I got in trouble last time someone came close, so you aren't coming near us !! " They are more afraid of people approaching next time, or afraid of the punishment that happens when people approach. They don't relate the punishment to the barking. Something similar has happened with our dog, we managed to call her back to heel and distract her. But no physical praise for coming back or verbal punishment for barking. Appologised profusely to the person she scared, but tried to ignore the dog and kept her at heel. It was in a way acknowleging to the dog that some one was there but not making a fuss at her reaction. So in time she didn't react to people on the track by barking. She's still wary though, so we have a long way to go... I'd be interested in hearing any other practical ways to deal with this type of situation too

I was thinking the same thing... trauma Maybe a blood blister ?? I wouldn't go pulling at it just in case I don't think it's possible for a tick to latch onto the tongue, could be wrong What colour is the lump ? has it changed size/shape?? Paralysis ticks are grey and get larger as they gorge on blood

Molly (KelpieX) thrives on verbal praise, she's very responsive to tone of voice alone. On the other hand our old Max (Dalmatian) wouldn't budge unless there was food involved, and definately had selective hearing.