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Perhaps look at crate games by Susan Garrett- I plan on training this for the next pup then transferring that drive and control into flyball. How old is your pup? I would be focusing on really strong recalls in all environments for the reward.

Sigh, once again I have nothing to enter- Abby has just had a litter of puppies, and bluey is still an idiot. I will hopefully be there to cheer everyone on!! For those that dont know me in the real world- I have the chocolate Kelpies and Finnish Lapphund from Southern Cross :p I will have some puppy pictures to share though

Hopefully there will be more photos soon- pups went out again the other day. It was MUCH more stressful- they can move so fast now!! And with me in a moon boot (freaking out about stepping on any I cant see) and 8 going in different directions it really made me appreciate my litter of 5 last time. Its enough to drive a person to.... LMAO They now flat out refuse to go into the whelping box except to feed off mum and protest greatly at being behind any gate!! I think I am going to have some escape artists in the next few weeks!! Now that they are a little older we can start using the flash again so be prepared!!!

Just thought I would add to this There was no thought to breed when I got my first kelpie- we had washing pulled off the line, holes dug to the other side of the planet, I was gently herded around the yard (and dobbed on when I did something wrong). So we had to change quite a few things to adapt to her. So you either need to research a breed that suits your lifestyle or be prepared to change your lifestyle to suit it- and furthermore be prepared to have some destruction along the way. Not many people do actually change their lifestyle..... and end up with clothes being torn off the line and holes being dug lol I wouldn't have given up my first kelpie for anything, but I know it want easy on my mum!!

I was bitten by a BC when I was about 4- it was resource guarding. My mum didn't want me to be scared of dogs so asked my aunt to pick up a puppy- only requirement was a medium sized breed. (so much for careful breed research lol) Ended up with a Kelpie- was going to be gotten rid of....... And still have kelpies because she was the best doggie companion growing up and certainly solved my short lived fear of dogs I added a Finnish Lapphund because I was part way through uni, wanted a different breed that was more suitable to being raised by someone who had to study etc and would be good with my grandparents who minded her for me through the day. Perfect choice and Demi- she came practically lead trained and was very gentle with them.

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Generally I think smelly dogs are those that are not fed a diet that suits them- I say this because I had two of my dogs become smelly and oily when I changed from one super premium kibble to another. Since I swapped them back to the old kibble, and gave them a bath they have stopped being smelly. I have one kelpie that has not been washed in well over a year. She has been herding, been out in the rain etc and comes in at night- most people comment on how nice she smells and how good she feels! I have been intending to wash her for months, but someone else always steps in something or is being shown and needs a wash etc. She is fed a good diet- mix of raw and good quality kibble and no problems. There are plenty of GSDs at shows that are wonderful to cuddle- perhaps start there looking for nice healthy parents who smell and feel clean and go from there......

Gee woofen,did the owner of the bitch even know what plans these people had? I would be ropeable if I trusted someone to look after my bitch & they decided to breed from her behind my back. As far as I know they didn't. I wanted to know what would happen if the bitch died- but apparently that defiantly wouldn't happen dog. But they also didn't want to spend too much money at the vet, nor organise to stay at home to supervise the whelping and raising of the litter.................. I had a litter on the ground and they wanted to visit to play with my pups- didn't ask if that was ok just tried to demand my address!!! Freak would be an apt description for this guy!!

Dont worry I got a text message last week asking if I would let my boy be used their lovely kelpie x. I even got two pictures of their mutt. Not even the decency to ring- but I assume they had already been told no by breeders. I chose to just ignore this one......... I have got numerous calls in this regard. I say similar things every single time. The best was someone ringing up to breed with a bitch they were looking after while the owner was overseas so their children could see the miracle of life. I think he rang about 8 times In the end I told them to ring another breeder well know for blasting people like this- funnily enough they didn't ring back lol.

Very cute!!

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With the last litter it was girls, girls, girls, girls girls!! I couldn't convince any of them that boys don't roam, or that they are not affectionate than the girls, that they don't hump everything, that they are less trainable!!! Haven't really advertised this litter so who knows what the current trend is.

Congrats!!

I think you will find many of these answers on breeders websites, and breed standard. Some standards require the dog to be reserved, others call for an outgoing temperament etc. I cant think of any breed standard that calls for human aggression though so well bred dogs should not be aggressive towards humans (In an ideal world full of fairies and unicorns of course)

Wow you are in a really difficult position!! I don't think it would be impossible to keep your dog, if that is what you want to do, but you should not feel pressured to do so. Re homing responsibly certainly will not be frowned on in this case!! Just a few suggestions- I have just had an ankle reconstruction so my dogs really have not been exercised for the past month, and even before then they were not being walked much because I kept spraining my ankle. It seems like focus is currently an issue- perhaps by rectifying this you would have more control and be able to do more with her without needing to move around as much. This is a really difficult age- they think they are invincible, but can be incredibly dumb and smart at the same time. I would look at the triangle of temptation posted in the training thread, and also perhaps look at crate games (you can search on the net and it is a program on DVD). Both these will bet your pup to look at you, which is the first step in training a recall. Even if you do decide to rehome, beginning on creating focus will only help her. There are a number of other programs that can be suggested that will dramatically build focus, but dont require you to move around much. I found this tired my dogs out enough to keep them sane, and have just tried to give them opportunities to run around by throwing the ball. I hope this has helped a little. I think you are doing the right thing by taking a step back and considering the situation carefully. If you do decide to keep her feel free to pop into the training section to ask about focus training!

Congrats!!!

It probably helped her while she was having the reaction!!!

There are many dogs out there capable of doing serious harm out there. I don't believe they should all be PTS, if you start thinking like that where do you draw the line- a dog that snaps at someone because it has been hit, or a dog that has bitten because stranger has jumped the back fence into its yard? I believe every case should be assessed before a dog is PTS- no the wider public might not care, but it does give information to the professionals that the public seek out when they realise their dog is capable of doing serious harm to people. I really don't care if this is a Lab, Golden or a flying pig- there are plenty of animals out there that can do a lot of damage and while we live in such close proximity with them we need to look at how we can manage them better through research instead of jumping the gun and euthanising before they can be assessed. Most of these animals will have a reason for their attack, so why shouldn't there be an attempt to find out the motivation and try and eliminate it? I doubt it is ever as 'simple' as socialisation or training- drive threshold, management, environment, genetics etc all play a part and interact. Instead of trying to stop investigation, we should be encouraging it. I want to know this information not just as an animal person but as a dog owner, dog breeder, veterinary student and as a responsible member of society!! I am glad Steve has volunteered to look at the dog. I hope his findings can also be publicised so the general public can have a bit of an insight into the dog sitting in their back yard. I am not saying that this dog shouldn't be PTS, I am saying that we should learn from what happened and assess each and every case to see what cause the attack.

I really don't have a problem with dogs humping, so long as the one being humped is not a pup (still growing) and doesn't have a problem with it. Sometimes its excitement, other times it is a displacement behaviour. At times, with multiple girls on heat it is just instinct. Abby sits down if she doesn't want to be humped, Safire initiates play to distract the other dog, Demi will accept it for a while then growl- they all have coping mechanisms and if they start to initiate them I will remove the offending dog. Other times they will all quite happily stand there so I don't intervene. Abby will even try to get a dog to hump her if she likes the dog!! She would be disappointed if I stopped it after all her hard efforts to make it happen lol. I guess its about knowing your own dog, and making sure they are comfortable.

You just summed up Demi- she hides under beds/chairs and will get locked in and not make a peep. Often she has to be woken up to be kicked out of the room LMAO The Kelpies also don't bark to be let out- I can run around the house calling for them frantically but not one of them will make a peep!! I think they sit in there doing tricks (because they are usually part way through their repertoire when i open the door) trying to work out which one of the tricks will make me open the door!!!!! I think they are special too......

Update and pictures Everyone has gained weight, and our first chuuba's made it to 1kg yesterday!! Some eyes are opening and they are walking around like there is no tomorrow- the toys in their box are being attacked, as is abby and their litter mates. Epically cute! Our biggest boy did get neonatal conjunctivitis day 10 which resulted in a vet trip to get the eye opened a little and long lasting AB. That eye is now completely open and no sign of infection. He will be going to an opthamologist before I sell him (need to get my Lapphunds eyes checked anyway so may as well get them both done) to ensure there was no cornea damage. I think it was some hot weather that stressed him that caused it- took me awhile adjusting fans and air con to get the the litter cool. Appart from that there have been no big dramas. Abby is wonderful with them, and now that they are better at finding teats feeding time isnt such a free for all. Anyway the most important part- the pics!!

Yes, maybe little bit, but perhaps some defense more than dominance you seeing? Joe I agree with Joe, most dominant dogs don't see the need to use force, because if they are truly dominant they don't need to use it. Dogs that are dominant to humans also don't need to use force because their human just does what the dog tells them to do. I think dogs that use force with humans are more fearful (defensive) because they are being forced to be dominant/ take the lead when they are not naturally meant to be.

I believe their are a fair few SAR Kelpies in europe!! Sweden for memory, and a few others where kelpies have become exceptionally popular They do exceptionally well.

Agree about a Lappie. I found the coat blow to be easily managed and only lasted a week or two, and for the rest of the year I hardly ever see a piece of Lappie fur around the house (whereas the Kelpies always create furbunnies). They generally like kids, either naturally lie down, or just want to play with them in my experience, are easy to train for shows and easy coat upkeep- although not sure about this in a farm setting as they would probably pick up burs more regularly. Even when my girl has got burrs they have been 'relatively' easy to remove.