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When I posted this idea it was to generate discussion and it has,it has never been my aim to disadvantage any clubs and I am aware that some areas' are already disadvantaged to some degree ,purely by their location. We have all had our fair share of judges that we would not wish to revisit and I understand the problem and as you commented, bad judging can also give you the personal motivation to further achieve.Grooming certain breeds can be a very hard and long process and finally to arrive and be badly judged is sadly all part of the process that we have to accept.I agree with your comment re the quality of the consistent winning dogs' and the idea was born from the regular results in our journal showing a lot of these quality dogs' being carted about the countryside blatantly following a particular judge. If the dog is so good and some are. why not show against the best competition. Why do we have to accept it? The only way I know of to get rid of bad judges is to not enter under them. I figure if they keep getting low entires show secs will realise using them is not doing their club any favours money wise. By taking away my right to not enter judges, I am losing my form of protesting against them!! Note- this may not mean they are a face judge, but a judge that handles exhibits roughly for example. IMO bad judging is bad judging. It doesnt motivate me, it makes me avoid the judge!!

Staranais- I have joined VIN so hopefully I can log in tomorrow. I THINK I can go straight back in next year- we ended up with quite a large year when they changed the course and a number of people failed so I cant see it being a problem (although I will have to ask) So back from the specialist...... We are going to send bloods to Cornell University for all of them, to get definitive answers and because it should be able to tell me which girls are carriers (who will need to be desexed at a location that has blood on hand just in case) and find out how badly affected Yellow is (although this does not necessarily equate to how he will be affected clinically.) I am just thoroughly over Melbourne University, and they were quite rude to my Vet!! She was quite upset about how they treated her and I am sure some people would have taken it out on her. She believes he is only Mildly to Moderate/Mildly affected- basically that he does have the ability to clot, it just takes him a while. The longer he goes without spontaneous bleeding, the better his prognosis. Basically we cant tell anything until it happens. While he has no spontaneous bleeding, and no Haemathrosis (bleeding into the joints) she and I believe he can have a good quality of life. Yes he will be kept quiet, no outdoor zoomies with the other dogs, but he can be around them, and will just be crated when we go out. I have explained it all to the other boys owner (a friend of mine as he was going out on breeders terms) and it is up to her regarding taking him in the next few days. She wont make a decision till I know the turn around to Cornell so if it is quick she will wait. The reasoning- she is hoping for a Flyball dog so wants to start socialising/bonding and the fact he has shown NO signs of bleeding, he could only be mildly affected. I spoke to her tonight and she was wonderful. She was happy for me to keep him longer, but is considering taking him regardless of his results. We are soooooo far behind in veterinary treatment here. It is sooooo frustrating. Apparently in the US they have gene therapy for dogs with haemophilia as well as a variety of other blood products for dogs with other clotting disorders, but they haven't brought them out..... For no reason other than they haven't brought them out!!

Trust me the lab has been hounded!! I have now found another Lab (vetnostics) that has guaranteed a one week turn around so that we can find out about the other little boy. They apparently told the vet that she would get the results when they were ready to give them to her :eek: we should have had results on Von Willerbrands back a fortnight ago so I am really very upset with Melbourne university!! They said we would get them back this Wednesday. I think I will be taking it further with them because it must not just be me that has been left hanging in the past/future..... Nothing from this litter will be bred from, and I wont be breeding from my older animals either. There has been some interest in looking at seeing if they can isolate the gene using blood from my litter and their relatives. There is no way I want to let this get into my breed, I would not want to experience this again, nor let anyone else go through this. That is why my first boy ended up at Sydney Uni, because I wanted answers! It has never been heard of in Kelpies that I know of. But I guess if it was quite sever puppies might not even make it through the birthing process..... And very mild cases often are never seen unless there is sever trauma or surgery which in breeding stock may never happen. Regarding this puppy after a fair amount of thought he will be coming home and staying with my mother, away from my other dogs. He will be kept for as long as he has quality of life. He managed to clot himself from the wound on his mouth and his PVC is already back to 31 a day later (not sure what it dropped too). The vet is recommending seeing how he goes for a month, and seeing what the results say. The fact that the other two boys had normal clotting times as they were actively bleeding (at PCVs of 15) out makes this even less black and white. The first two boys had spontaneous bleeds, whereas this little man has only bleed with trauma. And the fact that he had normal clotting times before he had this bleed, so he might only be mildly affected. Ugh there are just so many different scenarios running through my mind right now. The longer I have him the more I will want to save him, but at this point my criteria is that if he bleeds spontaneously I will put him to sleep. Thank you for taking the time to read this. I have had to defer uni (veterinary science) because I have missed to many practicals to pass my subjects- because I have been at the vets So everything has just piled up on top of everything else. The upside to me deferring is that I can get a job to pay off my vet bills. I really am trying to do the best thing for the puppies and puppy buyers. It would all just be so much easier if I had some of the results!! At this point nothing is set in stone. I have booked in to actually talk to the specialist at 5 tonight to discuss his future, and visit the little bloke. He will be in there for a few more days for monitoring. She has been very upfront with me through all this, and knows that I wont have an animal sit in pain. But he is a happy bright bubbly puppy who loves to play fetch and put holes in my pants

Hugs She sounds like a lovely girl

So it has been a rather sad few weeks. I bred a litter of happy healthy Kelpie pups, or so I thought. At 7 weeks I had to put two of my beautiful boys to sleep due to spontaneous bleeding. One boy had developed a limp, and swollen Stifle at 5 weeks of age, but it wasnt till 7 weeks that we found out it was actually a bleed into a joint. He cut his tongue and did not clot. And I had to let him run free. The second boy was happy and healthy for another 5 days, until he bled into his abdomen, muscles and elbow joint. Their clotting times were normal (not expected) so we took blood from them and my remaining two boys and sent it all off to Melbourne university for testing for Von Willerbrands disease and a factor 8 deficiency. A month later the lab still has not bothered to send us the results. We were told that they were testing Von Willerbrands every fortnight so am at a loss as to why we dont have results back yet. And on to the story of my third little boy- Yellow, who was to be called Kane by his forever family. He developed a lump on his carpus (wrist) at 9 weeks of age. We did clotting times which came back normal, and he was diagnosed with a bite (puppy or insect....) at 10 weeks of age he started crying in his sleep, but was normal when he woke up. He was put on IV morphine and Antibiotics and the symptoms resolved. He came back to us and we noted a tiny clot in is poo- diagnosed as collitis. It eventually resolved and I got really excited- he had clotted!! Sunday night he was playing with his littermates and had managed to steal a shoe. Another pup jumped on him, causing a small cut in the roof of his mouth. After four hours we took him into sydney university- and once again had to leave him there. We rang yesterday morning to be told he had clotted after they put some glue on the wound. But only to be told his aPPT (activated partial thromboplastin time) was now significantly prolonged. :cry: So now we have a tentative diagnosis of Haemophilia A for him. I am completely devastated. I still have to go and see the specialist, but at the moment he is bright and happy, and not in danger. I just dont know what to do. The bitch had already had a litter and my two boys from that litter are 4 years old and have not had unusual bleeds that we know of, and there have been no cases that I know of. So I guess I am brining Yellow home in the next day or so and then I have to make decisions about his future. My mum has offered to take care of him. But ultimately what level of cotton wool do I wrap him in, how many risks do I take with him. I don't want him around his litter mates any more, and I dont want him around my other dogs. I am petrified about teething in a months time, and what that will hold for him. I still have two of his litter sisters to sell, because I took down the add when the boys got sick, and I didnt know what was going on. I had arranged to send his brother off to his forever home on wednesday, but how can I do that when there is a chance he could have it too???? Has anyone else had the experience of a moderate/mild haemophilic dog? Or has any one else had problems with melbourne university getting results back? I just thought I would add that the vets at sydney uni have been helpful.

Probably charged twice as much. Now theres a thought. We throw all the old liners in the bin, 42X4=168x$.50c=$84 hmmm...... :rofl:

They also sold specifically for dog toys now- I think I saw them at an expo or something!

I only know of Helen at Animal Equilibrium http://www.animalequil.com/ who I have been happy to use.

I know that there was some research being done. It is an alternative to cheap desexing to try and control populations in areas where animal welfare is already quite poor, and people do not wish to pay, dont have enough money to pay or dont wish to have their dog out of action post surgery. There is already supurlorin implants for male dogs but they need to be reimplanted regularly. So not a viable long term solution. I think they were also hoping to do this with cats as well for memory. Please note this is information that I was provided with a fair few years ago!

You would have to be careful with the barking with a Lappie.

great news for the husky! not so great news for the vet bill... and in experience, unfortunatey... i doubt you will ever see the staffy owners again. when max got attacked about 6-9months ago, I havent seen the owners of those two dogs since. so hopefully they'll go back to the dog park, but honestly? I doubt it Its a shame about the vet bill. But honestly isn't that the point of this thread- that dog shouldn't be in the dog park so it is a good thing if it doesn't come back??? Yes it may be them avoiding being caught, but it may be them realising their dog in not suitable for the environment and being responsible owners.

link to another topic on this http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/203527-is-there-a-limit-on-the-number-of-dogs-i-can-own/

If it is Maitland NSW then you are covered by the NSW Companion animals act. This means that council can not enforce a dog limit because it is against state law. I am sure others will come on and clarify. My NSW council has a two dog limit, and they have let me register 5 dogs and haven't batted an eyelid (except when they thought they could get a 6th lot of fees out of me!) My dogs are not barkers, are kept inside and my care for them meets the other requirements of the NSW companion act and while this is the case they can't do anything about the number of dogs I own

I disagree with this. I have seen plenty of dogs on lead who have been attacked. And done damage to the other dog but have not had any damage done to them. It has even happened to my own dog who was off lead in a sit stay and got jumped on by another dog. He grabbed the dog and released it resulting in some puncture wounds. I was able to grab him and put his lead on straight away, while the other dog took another 5 minutes to catch (and kept running back at my poor dog- I had to just keep kicking it away) because it thought it was all a game and the owner had no recall. I really cant see how it was my fault that the other dog got injured!! Since then I have had to be careful with him because dogs rushing up to him scares the shit out of him- so no PHYSICAL damage done but perhaps damage done to him none the less.

I still train my bitch while she is in season. Usually refining small points that she doesnt usually care about but I can reward heavily because she is bored being kept in confinement. I dont do any jumping or anything though. I have never noticed any difference in her temperament. Post pregnancy I am still waiting for ligaments to tighten up. She went quite flat footed after she had the puppies and so I will be taking it very easy with her.

I always found it interesting that at a particular show my bitch would do quite well. She is a nice bitch, and has had a few nice wins but I am realistic that my next generation is better. Yet at this particular show she has always done very well. On some level I wonder if someone isn't picking a judge that will necessarily award their dogs based on a face but on their type. So I guess I am suggesting that they don't pick judges that will automatically award them because they are friends/faces, but because they know they type judges chose and so select them that way...... Either that or its an amazing coincidence

Abby is quirky, huggable, smart and bouncy- just like Abby from NCIS

I will also avoid SLOW judges!! I like watching the show and accept that they will take as long as they take- but there are a few that I wont show under because I want to cry! I made the mistake of not writing one of these down and entered under them again- It took a fair amount of effort not to hop back in the car and go home.

Trust me I was counting to 7 the entire day. And nearly had a heart attack when I counted 6 after the assessment (someone had dragged the blankie over one of the boys who was asleep!!)

I really enjoyed it!! I learnt so much from having her assess my little troupe of chocolate monsters It has really made me reassess what I am seeing in the show ring!

I had a dog that barked constantly. The remedy involved having a lot of time- I poped him in the car and waited till he shut up. Started it then waited for him to shut up, moved a little, then waited for him to shut up...... Every time he was quiet he got a big reward and treats. I assumed it started because the car always meant exciting places so he got excited. I taught him that you can only go to exciting places when you are quiet

+1 You could also look for more relaxed lines of some of the herding breeds.

Ummmmm I have a dog room. It was meant to be a study, but has turned into a storage area for leads, harnesses, flyball boxes and grooming equipment lol. It is a complete mess, but I figure if I am only searching for everything in one room it cant be too bad.

Regarding desexing I also generally recommend waiting till they are mature BUT having two male siblings there is no way I would recommend it in this situation. Being the same age, and breed there is a fair chance that their will be a fair amount of rivalry which will increase as they mature, so it may be necessary to desex earlier rather than later, unless you are willing to separate them if there are issues. I have raised male siblings together and they had to be separated at 5mths of age. They can mix now, but only when I am there to supervise. I spent a lot of time with them separately so that they would bond with me, and follow my direction rather than bonding to each other.

My bitch had a section this time, and I have struggled to pick my pup because I didn't get to see them wet. My assessment on my first ever litter when wet was correct, so I am doubting myself a little this time!