Steve

thank you Ill PM you Julie

Im here begging - its a really busy time of year for Pacers with lots of calls for help.We need some urgent help with some fundraising in order to be able to do what needs to be done. We will be putting new auctions up in the Pacers fundraising thread over the next few days. Donations including donations of goods are tax deductible and I cant tell you how much we need it or would appreciate it Please keep watching the auctions too. Julie http://www.dolforums.com.au/forum/68-pacers-fundraising-auctions-general-fundraising/

Nup cant be done - better report them to their state CC and Troy.

There is a difference between charging for limited vs main - and just an extra $1000 for papers Depends what registry it is. ANKC demand that papers have to be issued anyway but not all do.

I agree

Yes we were warned a couple of years ago they were up to this around our area too - what a bloody disgrace to the human race that someone could even conceive this.

http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2012/01/08/290665_todays-news.html FAMILY pets are being killed in their dozens as part of blood-thirsty dog-fighting events throughout Tasmania. Tasmania Police and the RSPCA have joined forces to crack down on the criminal "sport" in what could be the biggest animal welfare case recorded in the state. There are reports of individual dogs being trained to become killers and goaded into killing as many as nine other dogs at each event. RSPCA chief executive Ben Sturges said he could not detail the specific focus or scale of the investigation only saying that police in Hobart and Devonport were helping his inspectors. "RSPCA Tasmania and Tasmania Police are working together on a joint operation surrounding dog-fighting rings in Tasmania," Mr Sturges said. "Under the Animal Welfare Act it is illegal to participate in or attend a dog fight in Tasmania." Ringleaders of such events are widely known to use give-away or stolen household pets as "blood" or "bait" animals to reward winning dogs and test aggression of animals intended to fight. The details of the illegal events has prompted animal welfare campaigners to urge people not to place "free to good home" advertising in online marketplaces or other listings. In other jurisdictions around the world, traffickers of blood or bait dogs have been known to pay others to pick up free dogs often with children in tow to appear more legitimate. And they warn that people involved in the dog fighting could be more likely to inquire about specific breeds including staffordshire bull terriers and mastiffs but that all breeds can be targets. It is believed that rings are being organised out of Hobart's northern suburbs and parts of the North-West. There are rumours about other areas. Mr Sturges said the investigation started several weeks ago and he believed the fights were held outside metropolitan areas. Events are believed to be organised in a similar way to street racing, in which people are told where and when fights will be held by text message at the last minute in order to avoid detection. People with litters of unwanted puppies are advised to charge a price for them and even request to see the home of potential owners. "The RSPCA urges people to be very careful when giving away dogs because these animals are often used as blood dogs or bait," Mr Sturges said. There are reports that dogs are not the only animals used to increase the aggression of the dogs small household pets also are being targeted. Suspicions of pet thefts being associated with dog-fight rings have circulated since at least the late 1990s. In 2007, the BBC infiltrated British and continental European dog-fighting rings and found that wagers on individual fights ranged up to $50,000. In Tasmania, convicted offenders can face penalties of 12 months in jail and fines of $26,000.

FREE-RANGE farmers are urging the consumer watchdog to investigate the RSPCA's standards for pork products sold in supermarkets, warning the RSPCA logo dupes consumers into thinking they are buying free-range. Humane Choice, which accredits free-range egg, beef and pork farms, has lodged a complaint with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, alleging the RSPCA's labelling is misleading. The RSPCA revised its approved farming scheme for pigs in August, removing references to ''free-range'' when it classified and labelled pig production systems. Advertisement: Story continues below Lee McCosker, a spokeswoman for Humane Choice, said consumers would see the RSPCA logo on pork and assume it was ''true free-range'' despite the logo allowing pigs to live in potentially ''terrible conditions''. Ms McCosker said the RSPCA had a commercial arrangement with the companies and received 2 per cent of sales. Many of the country's largest suppliers pay the RSPCA to accredit their pork, which allows them to display the RSPCA logo. A spokeswoman for the RSPCA said there were no legal definitions for production systems in the pork industry, so it was up to brands to choose how products were labelled. ''We believe it is important that, in association with the government … the pig industry themselves develop and agree on appropriate production system descriptors … that meet consumer expectations and can be legally defined,'' she said. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/rspca-stamp-dupes-buyers-20120108-1pq6z.html#ixzz1j5qaUQqr

I would say its going to be a more profitable business than ever to have a pet shop which sells live animals close to the Victorian border. Allows Victorian breeders to sell off their stock and dodge some of the new requirements - run less risk of being caught too if they are shonky due to new laws in Victoria.

Ground hog day define puppy farm?

I always leave my males in tact but my girls are desexed when they are no longer used for breeding.

This is outside the house yard

Its different in each state and in Victoria there was a big court case - RSPCA against Innotec as RSPCA said ping fencing was cruel and innotec got that over turned but a member of this forum was found guilty of animal cruelty because she had an electric fence to keep wild pigs from her garden. I spent quite a while speaking to the RSPCA on the phone and they went away several times to check and told me that if I had Maremmas working with the sheep I couldn't have the electric fencing but I didn't specifically ask about whether there was dispensation if there was a lower charge. When I hung up I was definitely of the belief that any form of electric fencing was out for containing my Ram if I had the dog with it. So we got fencing like this around our house yard and fencing with a double boundary like espinays around the outside paddocks.Ive still got another 20 or so acres to go.

From memory the fees arent huge but the deposit isnt instant either and there have been scams which appear to pay money in puppy goes to new home and payment bounces.

Yep Im wondering now if I got the right answer to the wrong question when i spoke with the RSPCA . I think I should have asked about ping fencing and maybe not electric fencing but they didnt qualify that anything lower than a certain voltage could be used. Anyway we spent 60,000 on fencing so far to avoid having to use one.

Paypal. Thanks she doesnt want to pay using paypal... as you get the fees with it. Will tell her direct deposit You have to pay more for an international money transfer anyway. Pay pal is instant and clears straight away. the other can take days.

Paypal.

Me, too, Anne. I've never been sure about the status of 'goods' as donations. Or even what's counted as 'goods'. Surely it can't be things like food. AWL Qld has bins at various supermarkets which attract generous donations of food, treats, toys from the public. But, for the sake of argument, what if something 'big' is donated like a brand new freezer? If you are donating anything at all to a charity which has tax deductible status its able to be counted as a tax deductible donation and when goods are donated its classified goods in kind and its able to be entered in and out as a tax deductible donation. If you are donating to a charity its a simple case of asking for a tax deductible receipt but not all non profits are charities and not many have tax deductible gift recipient status. Pacers has pallet loads of dog and cat food donated and Eukanuba claim it all as a tax deduction. When someone is donating anon of course its not possible to be able to issue them with a receipt.

Item 10 in PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS (GENERAL) REGULATION 2006 Link to the list of prescribed devices and animals thank you - is this the last amendment?

Dog fence I have used this product on two properties. It still needs to be supported with a 3V electric ping wire. Here is the same product used in a goat fence with electric wire. There is a heavier gauge fence though, and that is usually used by contractors. When I researched this I was told that I was unable to use an electric fence on my property to keep my rams in as I had Maremma working with them. This came from the RSPCA and regardless of what council says it is against the Prevention of cruelty to animals act for you to use an electric device to contain dogs as far as I know in NSW. If you can prove me wrong Id be a happy girl as my Ram is a major pain in my neck. Right. You cannot use the higher voltage that is used for sheep, cattle or horses. But you can use 3V I do know that 3V is allowable for dogs and is all you need. I don't want to have to touch it a second time that's for sure. The RSPCA does say that the ping wire must be 150mm out from the fence. It might be enough for a ram, I don't know. I have seen and know of someone on the forum who uses a car battery which is a much higher voltage. Not that I am recommeding you do that. Nup Im not taking the risk of breaking the law - Ill stick with what Ive got . person I spoke with told me none we able to be used and I cant see a qualification of what can be used if anything in POCTAA too scary for me.

Thank you - informed consent is important - unless you breed dogs then being informed and not giving consent is out . Sorry I dont mean to nag about it all but we have a vet here who gives information which is "your dog is due for its annual vaccination" and refuses to give anything in writing that they agree its O.K. for me not to vaccinate. being informed does me little good if I cant find a vet who agrees with my information and is prepared to get me off the hook to comply with laws.

Also this will start you off on your answers. Then ask yourself ethically how can you not yell about mandatory laws which make you do as you are told and which make people think they dont need to look at it . http://www.woodhaven...m/vaccines.html

where did you purchase the product? How long ago was your dog vaccinated? How long ago did your dog have heart worm meds.

Its just so hard isn't it to know the questions and find the answers and we have been conditioned and legislated to accept our vet's word as gospel. Why on earth would we challenge what our vet does or says when they are supposedly some of the smartest people in the country - they have to be in about the top 5% to even get into uni and its a 6 year course. The whole vaccine thing opens up many others which relate to immunology ,selection of puppies to keep for breeding and management of our pet dogs and our breeding dogs. Sadly the onus is on us and whether that is because the vet is uneducated,frightened of litigation if they say something which isnt on the label , whether its a way of generating money or whether they have some idea of a welfare based reason doesnt really change anything for us or our dogs. There are heaps of questions and we cant afford to short cut the answers .We need to base our conclusions of best management for our dogs based on science and facts not on opinion. At all times we need to remember the veterinary profession doesnt work the same way as the medical profession. If a manufacturer of vaccines were to push for every person to be vaccinated every year for polio that needs to be tested and the protocols are dictated by science. Doctors cant just say well every human needs to be vaccinated every year for XYZ to ensure everyone comes in once a year for a checkup or to ensure they have enough income. Vets can. The drug companies make lots and lots of money out of this too. When heartworm meds were first introduced at least one drug company gave a gift to all vets as an introductory offer which happened to be slides which they could use to look at samples under a microscope to spot for lav ea. It turned out these slides were impregnated with this which they said were demonstration slides when it came out but there were a lot of cases reported which didn't exist in the mean time to make us all think heart worm meds are more important than they are. Few mention the impact they have on the immune system and especially breeding dogs in relation to fertility and sperm counts etc. Testing and timing protocols are different as well in relation to animals.Thats a similar but different topic But both vaccinations and heartworm are mandated under mandatory codes. Fact is the vets do only need to go by what the drug company tells them and realistically I guess its pretty hard to expect a vet to do their own research on every drug etc. So it depends on how far you want to go with this. You can spend time looking at the disease,what the risk factor is for your dogs and potential side effects etc or you can look at science based research by people such at Schultz and look at current protocols by those other than your vet - you can go further and look at the entire immune system of the dog and understand issues with far reaching potential consequences - including live versus killed vaccine. The questions you need to research and look at may be breed related as well. does a chi need the same shot dose as a Great Dane ? How what we are doing is impacting on their quality of life and longevity. I give fair warning that the more you look and research and learn especially concerning breeding dogs the more you will become angry at the fact that you have limited choices anyway. Crazy thing is if you own a dog and decide not to vaccinate it - no worries its your choice - not if its a breeding dog and breeding dogs are at greater risk. In the states a breeder can assess what their dogs need and when they need it and buy a vaccine and stick it in them - here even finding a vet who will give a killed parvo shot rather than a live C3 is a hard ask If a vet is telling you that the 3 year vaccine is different to the one which they have always had they are either deceived by the drug company or telling you fibs http://www.news.wisc.edu/8413 this is a good start re Schultz but if you want to go further there are studies and science to back up what he is saying. id also like to add that back in the late 80's my vet who has now died told me I never needed to vaccinate my dogs past their first birthday .

Dog fence I have used this product on two properties. It still needs to be supported with a 3V electric ping wire. Here is the same product used in a goat fence with electric wire. There is a heavier gauge fence though, and that is usually used by contractors. When I researched this I was told that I was unable to use an electric fence on my property to keep my rams in as I had Maremma working with them. This came from the RSPCA and regardless of what council says it is against the Prevention of cruelty to animals act for you to use an electric device to contain dogs as far as I know in NSW. If you can prove me wrong Id be a happy girl as my Ram is a major pain in my neck.