Steve

O.K. Within reason this is where we are at. All of the dogs had to be removed by 9.30 this morning so Liberty rescue and Sharpei Rescue P/L have simply grabbed them and gotten them out and we will now have to move them around from their premises etc. There are some un expected challenges specifically with the dogs but we will sort it out. We have been able to negotiate another week to get the furniture and cars out - at a considerable cost.We will need a car trailer with a hoist, a storage location, a furniture removalist. We have one hero legal person who has agreed to help us pro bono but we will need to help Vic with lodgement expenses and fees to get it sorted. Thats before we start looking at vetting, feeding , transport etc for the dogs. So Im now asking for anyone who is in a position to make a donation to help us out with this to consider giving us a hand as pacers is a small charity and we dont have large stashes of cash to draw on. Right now we need around $5000 to get done what is needed short term to do what is needed. So perhaps if 100 people could donate $50 each to help cover this - that would be awesome. Stay tuned because Ill start to say when for volunteers for packing, moving cars etc.

Have been trying to call you cant get through can you call me 0269276707

O.K. That's good to go - could you please pick up one of the boys tomorrow as early as possible. Yell if you need me 0268276707.

Thanks - I was already counting you for one of the boys and we have somewhere now for the second so we still have 2 5month old pups and a couple of bitches to go.

Dogslife right now we need somewhere for it to go for at least a four week period. Dogslife could you give me a ring 0269276707 asap please.

Dogslife right now we need somewhere for it to go for at least a four week period.

O.K. If this is going to work we all need to run We need some place close to ForestVille SA to store a car - unregistered We need storage for furniture We need transport to move a couple of cars We need transport and muscles to help move some furniture We need more foster carers for a male Elk hound and 2 x 5 month old puppies We need more foster carers for some bitches - melbourne / Victoria is O.K. as we can get them there. This all has to be done by early tomorrow morning This should be very short term as we have some other plans in the mix but you need good fencing. Please guys this really is an urgent request for as much help as we can get. All offers will be very much appreciated. Julie

Flare your nostrils and pinch the base of your nose. Then pinch your top lip. Feel the difference? If it feels like your top lip and not the bulb of your nose then its time to mate. Quicker cheaper than a prog test and Ive never known it to be wrong.

It is but we have an interview with her this afternoon and she has a window of about 24 hours which I cant go into re details due to privacy issues.

I dont think 4' high fences are going to do the job . We are holding off on everything until later today when we have the rest of the info we need but I promise as soon as I know what we are doing and how I will get back to you all. Julie

Ill give you a call in the morning

Yep, I know where Vic lives. When is good to go get them? I need to line up mum to look after the kids. Ill try and co ordinate it with Vic in the morning and get back to you. Remember anyone offering to take a dog they are breeding dogs and entire.

We thought of that but because there are so many of them we just dont have the kind of funds that will take - looking at about $3000 a week :D Okaaaaay......sounds like transport and kind fosters are the go then ! fifi Yep we may be able to put the stragglers in boarding if we get stuck with one or two but we have to thin them out a lot first. We have had some offers of dog food too from ker and Casowner which will really help heaps. Thank you

Sounds good to me and worth a go. The whole thing is a bit of an experiment Thank you

Angela has offered to transport some from Adelaide to Melbourne if we need it so thats opened up melbourne as an option too. ker is good to take mum and 5 week old pup. Ill send through some paper work for you to fill out so you are covered by our insurances.Are you good to pick them up?

We thought of that but because there are so many of them we just dont have the kind of funds that will take - looking at about $3000 a week

Nice offer, Jerojath. How much would it cost to transport the dogs, Steve? Or is the distance out of the question? No idea at the moment but for now we are just trying like mad to get anything as an option. We only really got the green light from Vic to start trying to help a few hours ago and its really going to be timing and a huge job to get a good result in the time fram e we have. Looks like we only have until Wednesday at the latest to find somewhere for the dogs. there are a lot of them so transport and expenses are going to be quite high.

Wow! Could you shoot me an email please - there are a lot of them.

O.K. Im not sure if we are going to pull all of this off but at this point we are giving it a go and at least will be able to help a little. I have approval to do this out loud. vicsta81 has fallen on some really hard times since the death of her Mum Michelle Connell [dogz Norskgra] We need foster carers for adult , male and female and puppy Norwegian Elkhounds NOW. We need donations - even really small ones to help us to help this girl who is in a pretty bad way. Pacers also has a new Ebay store http://stores.ebay.com.au/MDBA-Pacers-Anim...-Charity?_rdc=1 and any minute we will put up a Mothers day raffle Any one who can help in any way or who can offer a foster home in Adelaide would be very much appreciated but there is no time to spare. Donations to BANK Account 062600 account number 10488688 account name MDBA Pacers - all donations over $2 are tax deductible. Contact [email protected] or 0269276707

So are they able to qualify it and stop some dogs from being allowed on trains or will they tell us they have to be in crates etc. Maybe they will have pet free carriages. I can just see my brother in law who rides to work every day being happy about dog hair on his suit or matiff slober

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/20...d-their-owners/ For much of the past decade, the Iranian government has tolerated what it considers a particularly depraved and un-Islamic vice: the keeping of pet dogs. During periodic crackdowns, police have confiscated dogs from their owners right off the street; and state media has lectured Iranians on the diseases spread by canines. The cleric Gholamreza Hassani, from the city of Urmia, has been satirized for his sermons railing against "short-legged" and "holdable" dogs. But as with the policing of many other practices (like imbibing alcoholic drinks) that are deemed impure by the mullahs but perfectly fine to many Iranians, the state has eventually relaxed and let dog lovers be. Those days of tacit acceptance may soon be over, however. Lawmakers in Tehran have recently proposed a bill in parliament that would criminalize dog ownership, formally enshrining its punishment within the country's Islamic penal code. The bill warns that that in addition to posing public health hazards, the popularity of dog ownership "also poses a cultural problem, a blind imitation of the vulgar culture of the West." The proposed legislation for the first time outlines specific punishments for "the walking and keeping" of "impure and dangerous animals," a definition that could feasibly include cats but for the time being seems targeted at dogs. The law would see the offending animal confiscated, the leveling of a $100-to-$500 fine on the owner, but leaves the fate of confiscated dogs uncertain. "Considering the several thousand dogs [that are kept] in Tehran alone, the problem arises as to what is going to happen to these animals," Hooman Malekpour, a veterinarian in Tehran, said to the BBC's Persian service. If passed, the law would ultimately energize police and volunteer militias to enforce the ban systematically. In past years, animal-rights activists in Iran have persuasively argued that sporadic campaigns against dog ownership are politically motivated and unlawful, since the prohibition surfaces in neither the country's civil laws nor its Islamic criminal codes. But if Iran's laws were silent for decades on the question of dogs, that is because the animals — in the capacity of pet — were as irrelevant to daily life as dinosaurs. Islam, by custom, considers dogs najes, or unclean, and for the past century cultural mores kept dog ownership down to minuscule numbers. In rural areas, dogs have traditionally aided shepherds and farmers, but as Iranians got urbanized in the past century, their dogs did not come along. In cities, aristocrats kept dogs for hunting and French-speaking dowagers kept lap dogs for company, but the vast majority of traditional Iranians, following the advice of the clergy, were leery of dogs and considered them best avoided. That has changed in the past 15 years with the rise of an urban middle class plugged into and eager to mimic Western culture. Satellite television and Western movies opened up a world where happy children frolicked with dogs in parks and affluent families treated them like adorable children. These days, lap dogs rival designer sunglasses as the upper-middle-class Iranian's accessory of choice. "Global norms and values capture the heart of people all around the world, and Iran is no exception," says Omid Memarian, a prominent Iranian journalist specializing in human rights. "This is very frightening for Iranian officials, who find themselves in a cultural war with the West and see what they're offering as an 'Islamic lifestyle' failing measurabl

The health survey is still open and information is collected every day. Will there ever be a report that we can read? and if so when? As a breeder how do I find out about what it says about my breed? Yes there will be a report and when is variable depending on breed - we discuss various issues with some of our breeders to help them to assess any potential risk factors in their breeding programs and we have a private breeders forum which can be used to do that. In the short term at least the information from the health surveys will only be available to our members. The fact that the information would only be available to members was not stated when we all took the time to participate in the survey. If I had known that I wouldn't have bothered. I didnt say the information would only be available to members I said in the short term the information it would only be available to members. There is a variety of reasons why that is the case including the fact that the surveys are still open and the information is a mile off being prepared and ready for any sort of public release.There are almost 200 surveys and there is a hell of a lot of work involved for people who are much smarter than me to get each breed to even a hint of a public release. Do you really want us to release this info to the public which may have a detrimental impact on the public perception of a breed without some heavy duty consideration to the consequences and what may have impacted on the results being able to be included?

Thereby denying a whole new generation of dog breeders a start with decent bloodlines. I despair about the short sightedness of those that won't release a main register dog to anyone and that won't give a newb a shot. Bo Bengston, when interviewed about things he took great pride in as a breeder mentioned one thing first. He said his greatest source of pride over his years of breeding Whippets was that he had given 46 Whippet exhibitors/breeders their first show champion with a dog with his prefix. That's what I call a breeder with a strategic perspective. To me there is no greater tragedy than to see a great kennel's bloodlines die with its breeder's exit from the fancy. Yep I would rather see them putting things in place to educate and make the breeders who have limited the gene pool by choice in this way stop and re think what they do by protecting their lines. Unless this is stopped opening the gene pool now will see it develop the same way any way. I dont want asterisks on my pedigree either thanks. Interesting though that if the UKKC saying they are going to do it - its O.K. at least then no one can bleat on about MDBA registered dogs not being recognised by them blah blah blah

No not necessarily - there has been a big deal made about in breeding and small gene pools but in this particular set of problems its about selection. There isnt any symptom going on in the breed as a whole which tells us its about things normally associated with signs of in breeding depressions. Professor Clare Wade who has done the stats on in breeding via ANKC pedigrees tells me there is a much bigger problem caused by selection than there is with close breedings. Not much point in bringing in more if it has the same problems and if we keep selecting for the same priorities it wont matter where the genetics come from or how closely they are related.

The health survey is still open and information is collected every day. Will there ever be a report that we can read? and if so when? As a breeder how do I find out about what it says about my breed? Yes there will be a report and when is variable depending on breed - we discuss various issues with some of our breeders to help them to assess any potential risk factors in their breeding programs and we have a private breeders forum which can be used to do that. In the short term at least the information from the health surveys will only be available to our members.