Steve

We need more members - members equal votes.

There is an answer - several - we just have to sort out a place to start and work out what will and what Will not work for us. Rather than just giving up lets have a go at this. We may go under anyway but why chuck it in before we have had a bit of a shot of it all ? Traditionally - though granted I cant think of many examples involving animals - when ever there is a whole lot of hype going on about an industy the industry rushes in and begs them to back off and allow them to set up their own advisory boards and administer the rules and the regulatory needs themselves. So if we joined together with interested parties, such as the Canine Councils,the MDBA ,Commercial breeders ,PIAA , Animals Australia,chuck in a couple of PHD's in animal science and vets and got in first to set up our own advisory board - would this work? It might but I dont think it would stop one single dog from suffering and I have to admit that Im a bit nauseated by the idea that people that run groups for pet shops ,vets trained by animal rights professors and cross bred breeders will have any say in how I should breed my dogs, what I should breed and when I can breed them etc. No matter what people you choose to sit on this advisory board the big push is on for us to be the minority and so therefore potentially overruled on what we as purebred breeders know will produce healthier more predictible dogs over several generations. The questions of course are how long before the advisory board directives become law and no matter who sets the board up who will police them. Its sad that Dogs NSW and Dogs Queensland have already jumped in with breeder accreditaions and its is very very clear to everyone watching that its not going to make a single bit of difference. When they try to say - let us handle this ourselves they are a laughing stock - it wont fly. The other big isue is - do purebred breeders need to be policed to stop them from breeding dogs they really shouldnt - and who will decide what they shouldnt?

Thank you

Sick of me yet ? This one is a bit more difficult. As we all know PDE really knocked us around,so did the gardener and a couple of others. We are looking down the barrel of more laws being introduced with many pushing for us to do what was recommended and is now happening in the UK in line wit the recommendations from the Bateman report. The big push is happening behind the scenes and will come where we are backed against the wall with an independent body telling us what we can and cannot breed and how and how not we are able to do it. What can we do?

Wait sorry I\m confused??? If you have a debarked dog in NSW, QLD, NT WA SA etc you can't ever move to VIC unless you rehome the dog? Or dos it mean you just can't exhibit the dog if you move to VIC? If you have the dog debarked somewhere other than Victoria without the paperwork If the dog has ever lived in Victoria for a day of its life prior to the debarking then you cannot return with the dog and show the dog.

AWL dont handle their own prosecutions.The petition covers ALL groups which are given police powers and because the awl powers are different in each state we decided to leave it for now but if the rspca petition works then the watchdog/process would encompass the awl as well There is a need for greater transparency and accountability by all agencies which are given police andprosecutorial powers under animal welfare legislation.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peterwed...allenges-ahead/ The saga about poor health in pedigree dogs continues, with the announcement today of the founder members of the Advisory Council on the Welfare Issues of Dog Breeding. These include a broad spectrum of people with a strong interest in healthy dogs, including members with backgrounds in genetics, animal welfare, animal behaviour, neurology, university teaching and a legal expert. The new committee is due to meet the first time on 8 December 2010 and its first tasks will include the development of its strategy and priorities for the next three years as well as forming a response to the Welsh Assembly consultation on proposed legislation relating to dog breeding. The Welsh proposals include measures to tighten up on so-called “puppy farms”, such as: tightening the thresholds where a dog breeding licence is required; a staff to dog ratio of one person to care for a maximum of 20 adult animals; compulsory microchipping of dogs on licensed breeding premises; the need for behaviour and socialisation of animals to be taken account of in the licensing requirements to meet the obligations in the Animal Welfare Act 2006. Apart from puppy farms, there’s plenty of fodder for the new committee to get its teeth into; my suggestion in a blog last week that the Kennel Club’s “Discover Dogs” exhibition was “less controversial than Crufts” may have been a little off the mark. The new blog by Jemima Harrison, the producer of the BBC documentary “Pedigree Dogs Exposed”, included photos and taken of pedigree dogs on display last weekend. There’s no doubt that some of the individual dogs are suffering on account of their poor conformation, yet they’d been chosen to represent “the best of their breed”.On its website, the Kennel Club proudly maintains that its aim is “that every dog, even if its function is solely to be a pet, should be able to see, breathe and walk freely.” We can only hope that the new Advisory Council is able to make constructive suggestions, perhaps forcible, to help to achieve that objective.

No its not sorted - but there are complications . I will yell as soon as I know. Sorry to make you wait but not much I can do. S Im still not able to contact the owner

Same as the others. Im looking for a small working party for us to try to address issues relating to irresponsible Pet owners Im after people who feel passionately about this subject but you wont be asked to do anything you are uncomfortable with We will be working on how to address the problems associated with this without advocating law changes - at least in the beginning. It may lead to that but the intent is to do what ever we can to make a difference without law changes. For those who are wanting to have a go with us if you tell me here in this thread Troy wil give you access to a nice private section where we can work on it without interference. Julie

O.K. Ive got Shazzapug Enigma Ausssie Lover Poodlefan Dju Big pAWS mAD woofter jaxxbuddy Goldchow me Any more before I give Troy the list?

Please distribute this to as many places as possible - including to people who own other animal species.

The disgrace is in the law being in existence in the first place. As a pet owner I have the right to take my dog to a vet of my choice and have it bumped off -I can take it to a vet of my choice and have the vet desex it which has potentially long term health issues yet I can't have its voice lowered by a vet to make it easier to live with unless I get an order from my council? They know that as an owner you dont break the law by having the vet lower the voice - because its the vet and not you who does the operation.You can hardly prosecute an owner for asking for the operation and being treated as if you are soliciting someone to murder your husband! So they make you a criminal because you take your dog to a dog show unless you have made sure you have the correct paperwork before the vet does the op. Forget about the fact that you go to a vet and assume they know what they can and cant do and you rely on their expertise and knowledge.Are we to all go to vet school or law school and specialise in every service we may have to use in order to know the professionals we use and consult know the law??? Do we need to know real estate law before we ask a real estate agent to sell our house? This law is a bloody disgrace - it should never have been able to happen and common sense has to tell us surely that as a dog is our property we should have the right to have it operated on for ANYTHING by a qualified vet if we want to. Then we turn on Bondi Animal rescue and watch them bragging about the fake testcles they have implanted into their male dog ! How many council rangers paperwork did they need for that? However, in my opinion there is little point in anyone other than the group which the law affects saying anything to have the law squashed. this is Vic dogs job 100% of the way because its THEIR DOG SHOWS No point in going after the RSPCA on this one and people who do show their animals should be yelling and bangung drums that deafen the world at the outrage but instead they will say - no big deal it wont affect them because if they need a dog debarked they will do as they are told. What needs to happen to make them stand up for their members?

Got ya

The last couple will be added as soon as Troy gets to it.

Thats true but they didnt have Judy's dogs for that long as her legal people went in to help pretty quickly. What's the daily rate? I remember when Judy's matter first hit General someone mentioned the rate and all I could think was that I can commercially board all of my dogs for less than what they charge for one dog. The bill she has received from the RSPCA is reasonable and no where near the expected.

Remind me, is this the case where a certain vet was handing around misinformation? Yep

So can everyone who said they want in now see the new forum and get into it?

you forget. they took every single one of them debarked or not was my understanding. No they only took the debarked ones. makes you laugh doesn't it ( well not really ) but the dogs were apparently in such danger that they needed to be seized immediately, yet they left dogs on the property. The debarked one's must have been the one's without food, shelter and water :D You beat me to it! That is exactly what I thought upon reading that only the debarked dogs were seized! UNBLOODYBELIEVABLE! :D They seized the dogs which had been debarked to allow them to be examined by their expert witness.They shaved their necks and gave them a general to look down their throats. Strange because all of the documentation was available to show who had done the job, where and how. Makes no sense to me but Im not them and they must have had reason for doing it this way.

Thank you Ill work through them over the week end

you forget. they took every single one of them debarked or not was my understanding. No they only took the debarked ones.

Its there now

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Steve, suffice to say that yes, you are correct in saying that the RSPCA were simply doing what they have full authority to do under current legislation but it was none other than the RSPCA that was wholly responsible for bringing in such a legislation in the very first place. However, it was Vicdogs who signed off on it and its their dogs, their members and their dog shows. Steve, what you mean in that Vicdogs "signed off on it" ???? Is that to say that they agreed to the debarking law or that they simply "dobbed" the lady in to the RSPCA??? I mean that Vic dogs didnt kick and scream when it was being tabled.

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