Greytmate

I have quoted it for you Greytmate you know about as much as I do.... people seem to be missing this bit I didn't miss it, it was the first thing I questioned. I want to know which council has allegedly stopped impounding strays and is ok with finders keeping them. Does that apply to all animals including large livestock? Or do they have a special policy just for pregnant young dogs?

But T-time is saying the pound will NOT take her and will put her down and that they can not do anything. T-Time - Maybe contact other pounds in the area and not the RSPCA. After her time is up and if she hasnt been found collect her and then figure out what can be done. PM me if you need any help T-time. ETA: Where was she found? ETA again: I can tell you right now ellz motive was not money purely the fact a very young bitch needs help.... Really? Which council pound has stopped taking dogs for the required holding period?

You are making a big assumption about the owner of this dog. We know nothing about them or why the dog is pregnant. The person that started this thread has already told us what the pound allegedly told the finders, and I have questioned that. There was no mention of any attempt to work with council so that the dog could be legally transferred to new owners, just a request for somebody to take the dog. People buying dogs and pups have a right to buy animals without any risk that the legal owner could turn up and take them away. It is wrong to take and sell things that don't belong to you. Regardless of how caring you think you are.

I am appalled that people think it is ok to sell a dog that doesn't belong to them. Regardless of motive. I'm still wondering where anybody said anything about selling a dog? You plan to sell the pups. They are not yours to sell. Er.....do I? I state again....where have I stated that pups would be SOLD. Placed is NOT sold. Sold is sold. Placed is placed. You are making an awful lot of assumptions. There is NO difference. Place, sell, adopt, whatever word you want to use. This is not your bitch to keep or sell, these are not your pups to sell. There is a legal procedure that would need to be followed to legally acquire this bitch. A responsible person would follow that, just like Dory the Doted did.

I am appalled that people think it is ok to sell a dog that doesn't belong to them. Regardless of motive. I'm still wondering where anybody said anything about selling a dog? You plan to sell the pups. They are not yours to sell.

I am appalled that people think it is ok to sell a dog that doesn't belong to them. Regardless of motive.

Wouldn't matter to me if she were 8 months or 8 years, my offer would STILL stand. The assumption that money motivates my offer is somewhat distatsteful to me. Perhaps read my offer again. I mention PLACING puppies....not SELLING puppies. I also mention giving the girl a forever home if she fits in here.....finding her a forever home if she doesn't. Nowhere is money mentioned. Placing or selling, no difference to me or to the law. Given that this dog belongs to somebody else, why not head over to the rescue forum and offer a home to a dog that needs one now? There are probably some 8 year olds that don't have the same cash value as young labs, but still need help.

Yes she must. I find it outrageous that an organisation would sell a dog that they do not own. How irresponsible. There is a correct legal way to do things, and then there is this way. I bet if she wasn't a young lab people wouldn't be so eager to get their hands on her. She should bring in a few hundred.

Our greyhounds are not busy at all. Greyhounds don't do busy very well.

This isn't right. Pounds have to keep animals for the required period of time before disposal. Even then the dog may still be sold and not put to sleep. Which pound are you accusing of this? This dog must be taken to the pound. The owner might be looking for it. It is wrong to give this dog to an organisation to be sold while its owners may be looking for it.

I would like one of those. ;)

yes, for sure. Yes. To get the best dog for her, she should probably disregard colour and even sex, and find a group that tests the dogs, does some preparation work with them, and will be supportive afterwards. A group that thoroughly interviews the adopters too, to find out what they need. She should allow them the time it takes to get the right dog ready, and not be rushed into taking a dog that is still a bit unknown. Then when she gets her dog, she should have a muzzle on hand, just in case its needed at certain times. ;)

This topic is more about how packs of dogs of one breed tend to live together. There is no one breed that cannot be kept with another breed if the two individuals are compatible. If you have two, best to get one of each sex.

Moggill Pet Motel are great and they do pick ups. White Rose Boarding Kennel at Walloon are further out west, but they also do pick ups.

Great post Poodlefan. Small packs of the right combination are really brilliant. The wrong combination is worse than bad, it's deadly. Greyhounds tend to accept new strange dogs really well without getting too defensive. It is one of the great aspects of the breed. They have a natural tendency not to aggravate dogs that are behaving defensively towards them. Different drives have different effects on their ability to get along. Defence drive isn't strong in greyhounds, but you do get all the other drives that dogs have. In greyhounds there is a trait known colloquially as 'honesty'. An 'honest' dog is a dog working as hard as it can in full prey drive, that does not interfere in any way with its competitors. That is the ideal that is bred for, but there are many dogs that don't live up to this. They will quite happily attempt to take out the opposition. This trait is usually culled out if it is so severe it interferes with racing. You can occasionally get misdirected aggression in sight hounds. That is when dogs see something that triggers full prey drive and they are physically restricted from satisfying the drive by chasing the trigger. Some may attempt to satisfy the drive by chomping on their lead or something else close by instead - Maybe another dog's head. The way that this can be avoided is to desensitise ex-racers to be less reactive around likely triggers, screen out dogs that are too driven, and by providing an environment that dulls the drive. It is this phenomenon of misdirected aggression that means that you can have a group of twenty greyhounds lying peacefully around together 99% of the time, but if a serious trigger occurs, a fight could break out. Greyhounds generally have a high tolerance or threshold for going into drive (because its an effort and greyhounds are lazy), but once they are in it, they are real 'joiners in' of whatever the pack is doing. If I wanted a pack of ten dogs to run together, I would get pugs. And a king-sized four-poster bed to run them together in. The right two, three or four greyhounds can be a really harmonious pack. I would never only have one of them.

Americans use yard muzzles, some of which are fitted with 'stool guards'. They are very different from many other muzzles in that they are designed to be left on unattended dogs.

Given that its written for the US market, it is fair enough. In the US muzzles are not enforced by law. So the wearing of a muzzle carries a stigma, only 'dangerous dogs' need to wear them. With most people having no idea about drives, DA or HA, many assume that a dog is muzzled because it is dangerous to all. People are reluctant to muzzle when they should muzzle. Ex-racing greyhounds do need to be kept muzzled until it can be ascertained that there is an acceptable risk in unmuzzling them. They have been trained to chase things, and tend not to have not been socialised with small animals. In Australia, the dogs that can pass a test to show that they will be low risk in the community are allowed to be identified and unmuzzled. Most pass, but not all greyhounds will pass this test. From what I have heard, there are a large number of ex-racers in the US do not undergo testing or rehab before being placed in people's homes. These dogs really should be muzzled while they are being introduced to small animals, and some will always need to be muzzled around them. All greyhound owners can and should use muzzles when appropriate. The author is writing to an audience of greyhound fans, many of whom will have a pack of hounds rather than one or two. If the dogs have not been matched carefully, or even if they have, there is a potential for a fight. Greyhounds have such thin skin they are more easily injured than other dogs. When a pack of greyhounds live together, an owner should be very open to the idea of using muzzles for management of some dogs at some times. There are owners that understand, read and train dogs well that still use muzzles in certain circumstances. There are also plenty of people that are not so good with dogs or who tend to anthropomorphise them, who really need to overcome an aversion to muzzling. I would imagine there have been some tragic events that would not have happened if certain dogs had been muzzled, and that has inspired the article. However many of the points could easily apply to any breed of dog and not just greyhounds. I don't think it really advocates muzzling instead of training, but encourages people to consider using a muzzle as a tool in the same ways as they would a lead, collar or crate. There are many racing people that routinely muzzle all the time, many that over use it to compensate for bad management of their dogs. The author may have come from that background. But the dogs are all safe and happy, even if they do look scary.

You didn't explain it to anyone, you just made another demand on Danielle. I didn't realise you were running some sort of online amateur veterinary advice service. Diagnosed many other head injuries over the www lately?

What would that achieve? Do you want people to form an emotional attachment to the dog? Why not go and look in the Urgent Rescue forum if you want to look at photos of poor dogs that do not have owners. Some of them don't bite even if they are frightened. Danielle, good on you for trying, you cannot win them all, but you tried.

How do you know that people haven't been putting their concerns passions and efforts into rescuing dogs today, as well as sparing a few minutes to let Danielle know the available options or the risks associated with moving this dog on? What do you imagine could have been achieved today?

The reaction the dog is showing is biting. It is a mistake to say that biting is not aggression.

I am surprised at this suggestion given how often people are lambasted for dumping their dogs onto pounds to pts rather than taking responsibility and arranging it themselves. The RSPCA is not a pound. Given that the RSPCA has behaviour assessment, and this dog's behaviour is so obviously aggressive, it is a better option than giving it away to somebody else. This owner has already indicated she is irresponsible, and the RSPCA caters well to irresponsible owners who are too gutless to take the dog to the vet.

Could you ask her to take it to the RSPCA? They will take it off her hands.

I recommend a kennel too. Kennels are designed to keep dogs safely enclosed, and kennel staff are paid to interact with the dogs. There is no way I would trust some random in Ipswich to keep my dog in their yard. It could so easily get stolen, or attacked by neighbour's dogs, or eat poisonous plants or try to escape to find me or anything.

And any criticism or advice is viewed as being jealousy from other breeders or motivated solely by snobbish beliefs that a Staffordshire Bull Terrier should look a certain way where as the truth is that "unless they're for show it doesn't really matter". Blues apparently don't win in the show ring because of prejudice from judges and the jealous show people telling judges not to put them up. I don't understand the fascination with the colour myself, if I wanted a silver dog with yellow eyes I'd buy a BYB Wei. Um... a BYB Wei? so you'd support a BYB anyway? Why? Weimaraners ARE silver with yellow/amber eyes... the incorrect ones are BLUE... You can get a well bred pure bred blue greyhound with papers for next to nothing if you want a nice blue dog. Because greyhounds are not bred for colour, the blue ones tend to be just as healthy as any other in the breed. The rare few that are possibly affected by any negative health consequences of the dilute gene only ever tend to have very minor problems.