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At least he is "nice enough" to take the time to reply however uniformed he may be "Me: farmer Dave I was just wondering what your personal experience with these breeds of dogs is? "Adidi , Akbash, Anatolian Shepherd, Castro Laboreiro, Cuacasian Ovtcharka, Estrela Mountain, Great Pyrenees, Kangal, Komondor, Kuvasz, Maremma Sheepdog, Middle Asian Ovtcharka, Perrp de Pastor Mallorquin, Polish Tatra Sheepdog, Pyrenean Mastiff, Sarplaninac, South Russian Ovtcharka, Tibetan Kyi-Apso, Tibetan Mastiff, Tornjak". Many of these breds are not in Australia so what countries did you visit to know what breed characteristics or temperaments they have? Farmer Dave : Hey Donna great to hear from you, the article you are referring to I highlight what an LGD is. I don't profess to have expirince with them all. I stand by my position that LGD are bred to do just that be livestock Guardians. for two reasons...,1. increase their use in livestock farming so that baiting can be eliminated and terrible deaths of dogs avoided. 2. make people with little experience think twice about acquiring a dog that has many traits that I believe are unsuitable for the urban environment and that people can choose other dogs with the traits they do like in a Maremma. I appreciate that you may not think this way and appreciate that is a good thing, as neither of our positions will actually hurt anyone. Me: As a past and future CASD/CAO owner I have been lucky enough to have mine as not only a flock guardian but also as a family pet. My main issue is that the LGD community have always been very selective in their endeavour to find suitable hom...es for their pups, most people interested in these breeds have researched LGD's. I feel articles such as yours draws attention to the "behavioural traits" that undesirable owners may find appealing. Many breeds have been tarnished by the owners rather than the breed and it is something that I certainly do not want to see for our LGD breeds" I have always been very vocal in my belief that my chosen breed requires dedicated and suitable owners but I also believe these types of article maybe quasi accurate they also bring the breeds to the attention of the wrong people

I agree completely espinay twats like this run the risk of getting LGD breeds added onto the radar of bsl bullies and fanatics. Decent breeders educate and find the best homes for their pups, fortunately LGD breeds aren't overly popular with bybers and cowboys. Yes they are a dog that needs to be closely managed but there is generally a reason why the owner has gotten them and they are generally going to do whatever is needed according to their breed characteristics to get the best possible outcome for their needs. I haven't gotten another CAO yet but I will be damned sure that I will not just sit back and not comment when uneducated show ponies sprout off crap that they have no personal knowledge of

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Poor Farmer Dave I hope the big boy on the right doesn't have any Bull Mastif in him oh and he is an ex Big Brother contestant - that says it all

Me finks farmer Dave needs to find a wife that knows how to use spell check I gave up looking

Perhaps Farmer Dave should spend less time getting "aquainted with his livestock" and spend more time finding out accurate information rather than looking to the almighty God of Knowledge - GOOGLE

There is so much to say about my little girl but each word that I type just makes my heart break more and my eyes blur with the tears. Shannon was my baby from the moment she was born in a holding cage when I worked at the AWL to the moment that I made the soul destroying decision to let her go on September 14th. Never has there been a soul that has loved all animals (apart from other dogs) like my Shannon, she would mother baby birds, baby lambs anything really but most of all she loved her mummy and I her. She had an extraordinary bond with my baby Luke, she never liked children all that much but from the moment she laid eyes on him he was hers. I miss her with every ounce of my being, she has shared most of the important events in my life my pregnancies, my heartbreaks and my happiest moments. My baby girl fought so hard to stay with me but her heart was just too big for her body and in the end there was nothing left to stop it failing. I live with what if's and why hers everyday and I know that I made the right decision but I am left behind living with the pain of her loss. My life has been enriched by sharing it with my little Poppet and while I miss her I know she is needed in Rainbow Bridge to take care of all of the other little lost souls. So my dear little angel you are back from where you came from and it was nice to have shared my life with a living angel, I love you and miss you but we will meet again one day

and the staff having to euth dogs because of irresponsible half wits that didn't do the right thing by the dog or the Community

As any owner you should not have to be concerned that someone can claim to be the owner and surrender it. There are laws which protect us from this but we dont know what they did to have ownership proved or authority to surrender the dog when they accepted the animal . If in fact they just said O>K> we have no evidence that you are the owner and have the right to surrender but we will take it anyway they are in breach of the law and may have recieved stolen goods and therefore its a police issue. The question that hasnt seemed to be asked is where is the owner who made the agreement and who supposedly still owns the dog and what they have to say? Was the dog stolen from them or did they give written approval for them to have authority to surrender it etc. There are also issues coming up here re privacy surrounding the chip etc which may need to be addressed. .The owner is not talking , there was no written permission , the organisation after realizing no one checked this have now said through there solicitor..... paraphrasing he has been advised by his client( the organisation) that due to the relationship status he is her authorized agent.This conclusion was reached 10 days after this dog was surrendered and after a worker had been able to put her name on this dog . Geez that's pretty shocking - what state are we in? Any rescue group which has such shoddy surrender procedures needs to be bought into line pretty quickly . Pacers had a case not long ago where the partner of a person had the dog and needed to surrender it . The registered owner wasnt able to be contacted and there were other issues which meant the owner couldnt be involved. Basically the dog had been abandoned by the owner and left with the ex partner and the ex couldnt afford to keep it. After much agony Bankstown council accepted the dog as abandoned and a stat dec was still required from the partner to state the dog had been left with him and he couldnt look after it. The chip was registered to that adress but owner wasnt able to be located so the dog became the property of the council so only then could someone else take it. My point is this was a very difficult thing to do and all the dots had to be covered first. This isnt any rescue group this is one of the biggest in Sa , big money bigger lawyers . Well then if it is who I think it is I am not suprised at all

They aren't going to give something of value back when they can make some money. It's shameful they will charge you more to adopt a purebred animal than a mutt. One reason is because otherwise everyone would pick the pure bred over the cross simply because they think they are getting a better deal/bargain. I remember that the staff argued with AWL admin about increasing the pure bred prices to make it different for this reason and I also remember tracking down breeders only to be told they weren't interested in rehoming them especially because the dogs had to be desexed first.

The other question is if the dog went missing (if they did not hand it over) did they report the dog as lost? Most shelters that receive a pure bred dog would remember it and if one was lost did the owner have a clue about what the other person did?

The number one breed featured in dog bites in the ACT is now the Golden Retriever. Based on that fact in isolation, we'd ban them too. Why would anyone want to introduce an animal like that to a young family??? I'm not serious of course but viewing facts in isolation from others can be a dangerous thing. The other morning we came across a young goldie (6-8 months old at a guess) harassing a ewe and lamb, I was very brave and got out of the car to stop it from escalating. The creature charged at me and jumped over the fence and then pounced on me smothering me with licks and muddy paw prints. I put him in the car, well he knocked me over to jump in the car and found the property where he came from a 1km or so away. It was interesting as my partner asked if I would be so keen to jump out of the car (knowing my kids were in there) if it was a bull breed and I am still am not sure how I would have reacted. I would have done something but not sure if I would have been so quick to react. Saying that though the most HA dog I have ever met was a young entire goldie that a work mate owned that he had on breeders terms, I still shudder at that one. The second most nasty one was a CKCS that belonged to an old Groomer boss of mine, monstrous little creature Saying that I adore staffords or as I like to call them wombats on steroids, I have never met a pure stafford that I haven't liked - lots of cross breeds yes but no pure breds. I remember we had 2 Am Staff brothers Domino and Harley and a Stafford bitch Chelsea that were training as Hearing Dogs when I first started there. Whoever thought it was a good idea to train an AmStaff to run and throw themselves onto a person and train them with a food reward must have been crazy. Chelsea passed (darling girl) but the boys were pet homed due to "over enthusiam while working"

Sandgrubber it would be good if the DNA tests were more accurate so then the dogs that are coming could be DNA tested first and the results shown after the "experts" have announced their opinions.

Yeah I bet that is convenient. I wonder who their "expert" breed identifyer is? Probably the work experience student

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: There are really experienced people commenting on what they know about dogs and protection training why be a sarcastic ....?

We had a pony that died about 5 months ago and recently foxes dug him up and he had minimal fur on his head but the rest was mainly skeleton

I have emailed them to ask. Thanks Sway

I have tried Googling with no luck maybe emailing the main paper may help. The focus should be on the tragic loss of an innocent child and the emotional and physical scarring of a family and Community and nothing else

I think it would be a lovely gesture Chewie to show that there is a majority of the Community that are responsible dog owners and what has happened to them has touched us also. I have spent 4 days in hospital with my son who is very ill while my baby was also home very ill and my heart broke seeing my child like that I can not even comprehend what this family is going through. Happy to be involved on some level but I am extremely pinched for time at the moment with my family but will do what I can A simple gesture of sharing grief and to offer support can mean so much even to a stranger

Thank you all very much for your replies it has been very helpful to see other peoples experiences as adults and from when they were children. I had a good talk with my son and asked him what he would prefer and he is going to think about it. We are also going to take some photos with her this weekend and start our "What Shannon means to me" project so that I can laminate it and keep with her ashes. He has problems controlling his feelings and emotions which is why he is going back to his pyschologist as a few bad traumas have reared their ugly head and he releases his feelings negatively. He had progressed so well but the last year has presented him with many challenges and they have gotten on top of him. I will check out those links FDT, thanks

He knows exactly what is wrong with her, this has been a longstanding condition in fact he reminds me every night to give Shannon her 3 tablets. He says to me that he knows that we don't have long with her and that it hurts him inside and doesn't want to lose her. It wasn't until Jake died that he really started to bond with her before that she was just the little fluffy dog that followed me around and spent her days laying under my bed stashing his toys that she had stolen. Shannon has never been a "kids" dog and it is only in the last year that she has even gone up for pats from him but she absolutely loves baby Luke and lays next to him all of the time. A momento project sounds like a lovely idea and that is something I know I can discuss with him as he knows that we are on limited time. I am going to be honest about her death as this is something he expects and he would know I was lying if I said otherwise. I have always been honest when pets have died apart from the two after Jakes death and I feel awful but he could not have handled the truth as he has other deep stresses that we deep with. He tried for 10 days to will Donkey to live and he was falling apart at school and daycare so I told him that the vets had another home with a goat to keep him company. He was very upset but told me it was for the best, I can not and will not regret that decision. I suppose I could talk to him and see what he would like me to do so that he is part of the process. If he wants to know the day before we can make it special for him or if not I can tell him after she has gone.

In the very near future I will have to make the decision to put my gorgeous little Shannon to sleep, she has been my soul mate for over 11 years and it is killing me knowing that the time will soon be here. While it feels like my heart can't take it I have to think of my son and how best to deal with him. My son will be 9 years old next month and he had always handled the reality of death with animals on a farm with such understanding and maturity that was until the day Jake died. The day Jake died was just one of the most difficult days I have had to face it was so sudden and so emotional and unfortunately my son was there to witness it. My son was in the car when Jake tried to crawl in next to him, he was there when my partner fell to pieces and was there as Jake lost his battle to live in the car. I think that apart from the loss of his dog he saw his male role model completely and utterly fall apart emotionally and that has affected him more than I realised. Within a short time frame we lost 2 of his most special animals very suddenly and he has really struggled emotionally to deal with it and I know that losing Shannon will hit him hard. I have booked him in to see a therapist that he knows and trusts but the appointment isn't for 6 weeks and I don't know if we will have that long with her. He knows this is coming, a few weeks ago when she went in for blood tests he fell apart the night before worrying that she wouldn't come home. I don't know what to do, do I tell him beforehand and let him spend time with her knowing how much this will affect him or do I not say anything until after it is done and let him grieve for her loss? I have never had to deal with this before and I want to handle it to try and help him as much as I can. I can't bear the thought of losing her but I have to suck up my feelings for them and make it as easy as I can. Any experiences or thoughts would be appreciated

I am so sorry jetty, to lose such a special girl so suddenly is such a tragedy. Hopefully the memories that you shared with her will help mend your grief and hole in your heart Sweet dreams little princess

I'm so sorry kirty, you put your heart and soul into them no one could ask for more. RIP little kitties, you were only here for a short time but your prescence was felt and will be missed

Mark Singer is his name Lilli, is that the little brindle girl?