Bullbreedlover

My brother and sister werent doggy savy at all(even at a young age)(cant understand why not) so I just started out stacking my parents dogs :D and by 8 I was helping show them.

In the faults section - it says something about faults (ie not being as described by the standard) being weighed up against the health of the dog, but really - I think that dogs that are required to be born by C-section because of their genetic shape - should be excluded from the main (breeding) register. And ones that can't breathe easily when exercised - because of the genetic shape - too. Mrs RB How long have you been involved in The British Bulldog breed. What qualifications have you got which enables you to come to the conclusions that you have? Because you're the one who suggested that I don't know what I'm talking about - because I'm not a bulldog breeder or a genetic scientist. The person who pointed the specific problem with the bulldog breed standard (which may or may not be being followed by bulldog breeders) has these qualifications: BVSc, PhD, MRCVS, MACVS (Animal Welfare), Cert CABC, Grad Cert Higher Ed. RCVS Recognised Specialist in Veterinary Behavioural Medicine He also helped set up the genetic database at University of Sydney to track gene lines in the hope of getting healthier puppies because the genetics of the parents could be matched better. I don't think you're qualified to say what it takes to know what I'm talking about. Mrs RB My original question to you is above. And you have answered to the effect that you have no involvement in the breed. My involvement with the Bulldog breed only spans 30 years to be exact. I have also been judging for 12 years now. And our Bulldog kennels have been hugely successful in the showring. Many other breeders of course do have a more vast amount of knowledge although we have only selectively bred our Bulldogs to try to improve the breed as much as possible, but have not bred extensively. Certainly alot less then alot of breeders out there. "I know exactly what you are talking about actually." The problems with the Bulldog breed have existed since the breed itself began. There are many many dedicated beeders around the world that are trying to breed and in fact have bred healthier Bulldogs. These healthy dogs have existed for many years now suprisingly. When the Bulldog standard was changed in the UK, Australian BB breeders voted against ANKC changing the standard here and to retain the original standard. And rightly so. This knowledge of course is only based on what I have read while being a Breed Club representative of the National council. My knowledge of the breed is quite huge but as I said before what I take exception to is people spouting off and quoting part of the standard for one particular breed as if it was the only one in the world with problems. But of course I am not a genetic scientist either. Whether or not you think I am qualified within my breed or have what it takes to know what you are talking about is your opinion.

Not agreeing or disagreeing Steve but Australia is a damn big Country. And concidering alot of SS's statements arise from internet browsing, one just never knows which agenda SS is going by.

Only if you equate inbreeding and ANKC as the same thing. I see it is disucssing some current issue in dog breeding that seem to be very uncomfrotable for a few people, to the point they make personal attacks. I do not find that amusing. You have basically said that all purebreds are in crisis and all are inbred and that is the cause of all the issues. Now you are trying to tell us that you are also breeding purebreds, which by your definition makes you guilty of breeding genetic messes that are all unhealthy due to the fact they are inbred because they are purebred. You said it earlier, your own words. So, do you breed unhealthy dogs then? You pooed pooed poodlefan when she tried to explain that some breeds are perfectly fine and are not in dire need of rescue from animal rights people. You refuse to give any information on what breeds you have so we have to guess based on your posts. I have now for many months tried to figure out exactly what agenda Shortstep is running on. I then gave up. But I have found everyone elses posts great reading.

Ha ha ha Yes I do admit I went through that stage at aged about 5 onwards, LOL.many years ago. Used to play in the dog kennels as well. It is perfectly normal and nothing to worry about.

That article is totally laughable. A paragraph I have included below.The rest of the paragraphs are just as bad. If this is what your breeding bible is like then good luck. To muzzle or restrain fearful or aggressive dogs to get them to mate is just too silly for words. Who on earth would want to mate a dog to one with obvious temperament problems? Moreover, I can think of only one acceptable reason for artificial insemination — when dogs are separated by large distances. It is often much cheaper and more convenient to transport semen than the dog. However, unless we are talking about an extremely rare breed, it would be a mite pompous to assume there is not a good mating prospect within driving distance. Artificial insemination is not wise if the male dog is injured, diseased, or dead. Perhaps the dog has an inherent disposition for injury (e.g., weak bones or joints), disease, or early death. In any case, why inseminate an extant bitch with sperm from an extinct male. If the purpose of selective breeding is to improve genetic stock, why use old-fashioned and out of date sperm?

In the faults section - it says something about faults (ie not being as described by the standard) being weighed up against the health of the dog, but really - I think that dogs that are required to be born by C-section because of their genetic shape - should be excluded from the main (breeding) register. And ones that can't breathe easily when exercised - because of the genetic shape - too. Not involved currently. But I can read what is on the ANKC site for breed standard. Are you trying to tell me that this standard is wrong? As far as I know - the show dogs which are supposed to be the best for breeding - are judged to this standard. And it's this standard that is encouraging selection to unhealthy extremes. I also have a science degree. So I'm quite good at logical arguments and taking things to literal extremes. since I assume you are an expert in bulldogs How many champion bulldogs are not from c-section or breed puppies requiring c-section to be born? How many champion bulldogs have trouble breathing when they get a bit excited or run a lap around a standard football oval (or maybe just the length of a tennis court). Why is the breed standard still as I quoted? I don't see how I need any qualifications beyond primary school reading to come to the conclusion that is clearly outlined by the breed standard. Happy to learn your point of view. Ahh so you are not involved currently. Have you ever been involved? Oh I am certainly no expert on the breed Mrs RB. There are alot more qualified people out there than me. What I do take exception to are people like yourself spouting off about the extremes that Bulldogs are bred to when clearly you know little about the breed even in general. Yet you quote parts of the standard, tell us that we should be held accountable, but in fact, you dont know anything about the breed. I am not even going to answer your questions because while you have your science degree and primary school reading qualifications, I can tell that in order to educate you more about this beautiful breed, the attitude you have towards the fact that you deem them unhealthy, speaks volumes that no matter what I say, you will disagree. In understanding why the Bulldog is the way it is, there is alot of research available out there for you to read. The owners of many breeds are these days are electing to have their puppies born by caesar. Many bitches these days are being AI'd instead of natural matings. Is all this wrong? You quoted a peice in the Bulldog standard without even knowing all the facts. May I suggest you find reputable Bulldog breeders in your area to ask them so you can be better informed. Why should I seemingly waste my time educating you.

Its not always the pug puglvr. The British Bulldog has been given the bash for many years now. And there are actually healthy Bulldogs out there,and they have been out there for many many years, although everyone only wants to talk about the unhealthy ones.

In the faults section - it says something about faults (ie not being as described by the standard) being weighed up against the health of the dog, but really - I think that dogs that are required to be born by C-section because of their genetic shape - should be excluded from the main (breeding) register. And ones that can't breathe easily when exercised - because of the genetic shape - too. Mrs RB How long have you been involved in The British Bulldog breed. What qualifications have you got which enables you to come to the conclusions that you have?

Lappielover In judging pedigree dogs in the show ring, judges are not only checking for teeth and testicles. Although to be fair some judges only do that. Soundness, type, temperament and style. In soundness many aspects can make a dog unsound. A dog who is lame, a dog who has entropian, a dog who has an unstable temperament for that particular breed, a dog who can not breathe adequately to name just a few. These and other aspects are all part of judging.Conformation in each individual breed is not just whether or not a dog can gait around the ring. Judges have the power to non award classes and non award Challenge certificates. bbl, I would LOVE to believe this and in essense I do as an ideal, but sadly week in, week out I see lame dogs put up for CC and BOB. Very disappointing really. I hear you Sadly though yes that is true in some cases.

Lappielover In judging pedigree dogs in the show ring, judges are not only checking for teeth and testicles. Although to be fair some judges only do that. Soundness, type, temperament and style. In soundness many aspects can make a dog unsound. A dog who is lame, a dog who has entropian, a dog who has an unstable temperament for that particular breed, a dog who can not breathe adequately to name just a few. These and other aspects are all part of judging.Conformation in each individual breed is not just whether or not a dog can gait around the ring. Judges have the power to non award classes and non award Challenge certificates.

Nothing will stop them really. They are a law unto themselves From what I can remember it was said that ANKC were (at that time) still making a decision on that matter.

Actually, I think there was some mention of how the situation will not improve "until the show ring starts placing health above looks". Something along those lines anyway. Just my humble opinion, but I do think it's about time that the show ring was revised to include provision for health in some way or another, rather than just rewarding "type" - or at least, an indivdual's idea of type. What many people forget too is that every breed was intially highly inbred to establish the breed's particular characteristics. It could be justified to some extent when breeds were established, but I don't believe it can be justified further along in a breed's evolution. Show ring judges should and do place health as an extremely important aspect of judging pedigree dogs. And NO, many people have not forgotten that breeds were inbred to establish characteristics. If you are anybody in your chosen breeds then this is formost on your mind when learning about pedigrees and the establishment of your breeds. ANKC commented about inbreeding but what they failed to emphasis in their two second interview is that this practice is, at least by those who know their breeds is a practice which is not undertaken lightly. And nor should it be.

On ya Chris Brown, Once again you have given all pedigree breeders a bad name. No mention of the dodgy breeders at all. And of course just had to interview a Bulldog owner, just for good measure. You seriously have no idea do you Chris?

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Cause I had nothing else to do I just wrote down names for 48 of our dogs(there are also a few I cant remember) over the last 40 years. And there was one other double up. But that was a boy that came to us as a three year old with the same name. And looking at the list there would actually only be a couple of names I would use again. The rest of them, never. That is also with 8 different breeds, not just one or two breeds. Oh and both our parrots are named after dogs we have previously had

I have used the same name for a dog(different breed) but the 1st dog has been deceased for 27 years now so I dont have an issue with that. Other than that we have never used the same name twice. We have had so many dogs over 40 years and as far as I can remember we havent doubled up. Would I use another already used name again? Yes I would, but only after much concideration for the one that has passed.

The old girl Morgan controls our world so I could well imagine that she would be a very vocal old trout. Well she is anyway. Barking for this and that. I love it when we ask her to speak up and she puckers up her lips and woofs. (Am amazed that the parrots havent started barking. They already tell the dogs off. "Morgan, Maggie stop it!. Come on come on, stop doing that.) I want this, I want that..feed me NOW. Let me in. I WANT to sleep on your bed. I DO NOT want to go out. Turn the heater on NOW. But we love her. Cause it is all about Morgan.

It is not called a catalogue any more. It is a dogalogue. There are no cats at a dog show :D I dont get a dogalogue every time. I do enjoy reading whos who in the breeds though when I do get one.

I would love to help you Blknwhite but I dont show often at the moment(my next show maybe September or October) and I have no idea where you are in Qld. I have shown my ex racer with great success.(Have been showing for years and love helping newbies) Make sure you check that your show chq has been cashed before the show.So you know the entry has been received. I showed my boy with a soft wide leather collar. Judges are looking for a dog which best conforms to the standard for each individual breed. Of course no dog is perfect. Rebanne has posted a good link so follow through and read it. I am taking that you have a puppy??. Shows in Qld are generally judged in alphabetical order(some shows are different) so I would advise that you get there before judging is scheduled to start.

Hi E Yes you do have a few options. As your dog is still quite young these options would help in prolonging Dustys life. But as I am sure you have been told, there is no cure for Lymphoma. While it is a disease which is generally found in older dogs, sometimes it strikes younger ones. I hve had an 18 month old Bulldog develop Lymphoma many years ago, and just last month my older Bullmastiff was given his wings because of this. In both cases I chose not to start chemo. With my Bullmastiff his lymph nodes, submandibular , prescapula and popiteals were greatly enlarged. I also chose not to xray to see what damage was being done to his internal nodes and organs. Blood tests can come back inconclusive, but I see you have posted that it has been confirmed. X rays will determine what is happening with his internal nodes. Check with our vet on that one. I could of done chemo, but the cost can be huge. Thee is also prednisone tablets which can be given, but in talking to a very respected friend who has lost a few dogs to this disease, she said that it is not a nice experience. Chemo may very well work for you and Dusty. Dont discount it until you have been given all the options. You may extend Dustys life by six months, or it could be several years and he could go into remission. If you dont treat then time is limited. From the time I found the lumps on Alex's neck(we first treated with antibiotics believing it could be a bacterial infection, which sadly wasnt) until the time we said goodbye to him, was three weeks. 3 short weeks. In the last few days of his life the lymph nodes at the bottom of his jaw had grosely enlarged to the point where he was having trouble eating and drinking. He was rapidly losing weight and I wasnt going to let him suffer any more. The short time before he really started to go down hill, my friend assured me that he wasnt in any pain. But when they do deteriorate, it is rapid so be warned. I wish you all the best of luck.

I have already answered the question about the fate of the animals. They will be sent to abattoirs and slaughtered. If they re start the abattoir in the NT then they will be transported there although that will take awhile. Otherwise they will be transported. They wont be left to starve. Australians wouldnt do that.

The processed meat industry in Australia is actually alive and kicking. The abattoir I work for( a Qld export award winner) exports meat to 35 Countries around the world. The animals that are not being exported will be transported to abattoirs to be killed. The meat processed will be sold in Australia and the processed meat will either be chilled or frozen and exported. The market will experience a glut for the immediate future but this is expected to even out. In the wake of the Japan earthquake where thousands of people lost their lives many abbatoir workers were worried about the drop in trade. But in the big picture there are millions of people out there in the world who eat beef. They will stil continue to eat beef. Australia supplies many Countries with processed beef, humanely killed. Why dont we keep it that way. Please explain further your comments highlighted. As far as I know, Indonesia is buying about 75% of Australian beef. All other markets you are referring to are not nearly at the same magnitude. There were few analyses in various media recently about the future of Australian beef production and impact this whole episode may have on it. To put it simply they were not good. As for animals currently in the limbo, here in NT they don't know what to do with them because nobody wants them. Who is going to feed them, and what abattoirs are you talking about? There are none here. Who is going to pay for the transport? Don't get me wrong, I am against cruelty to any living creature as anybody else. I just want to point there are no simple solutions as many people seem to believe. Like, just ban live export and everything is going to be fabulous. Well no, its not 75% so you do need to revisit your info. The other markets I refer to are certainly at the same magnitude. The Asian market is by far the biggest market that our company export to any way. And our company are the biggest exports of processed meat in Australia. Of course there are no simple solutions. There are humane solutions though. The cattle sellers knew exactly where their cattle were going to and the fate of them.

Thanks for the response. Yes, that's what people think. But, as I said in my post there is no market for packaged product. At least not in those quantities. Indonesia can not and won't buy it. And the global markets for packaged meat are very limited. Please tell us how you arrived at your informed decision? I just listened to several market analyses on the topic that took place in last week or so. As for Indonesia, it is quite simple. Many places there have no refrigerating facilites, so frozen or packaged meat is impossible to be transported and stored. So how do the Indonesian abattoirs sell their product once thay have killed it? How do they process it, concidering they have to bone it at least a day after they have killed it. Any refrigeration problems would mean that e coli is running rampant and they wouldnt be able to sell it anyway. So in the last 3 years our work place has gone from exporting processed beef from 5 countries to 35 countries. Nope, no market out there for processed beef killed humanely.

Thanks for the response. Yes, that's what people think. But, as I said in my post there is no market for packaged product. At least not in those quantities. Indonesia can not and won't buy it. And the global markets for packaged meat are very limited. Please tell us how you arrived at your informed decision?