WreckitWhippet

agreed, his name pops up time and again whenever top Stewards are mentioned.

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I'd forget about wasting money at an every day clinic and head straight for a specialist. By the time you stuff around and try this , that and the other with a regular vet, you'll have spent a fortune and will probably be none the wiser.

Show it to me? Show me evidence that shows that anyone who is not an ANKC registered breeder that is breeding dogs is doing it in a completely random manner. I find that one in particular very hard to believe. They are at least picking the breeds they want to use most of the time. Show me the evidence that none of them health test. Maybe they have had different experiences, different upbringing, and different beliefs and education. How many random bred dogs does someone have to buy before they run out of luck? How many pedigree dogs? Rhetorical questions. Of all the byb's I've asked , NONE have health tested their "breeding dogs" None have seen the "need" for it. as to selecting conformation- SOME had no clue what that even meant, while others didn't care. If a person wanted to breed, but couldn't give a hoot about formal registration (ANKC ect) but still health tested and assessed temperament and Conformation- then they are not byb's in my book- but the kind of breeder who cares about what they produce (though I doubt you'll find many of these) as doing "right" by the dog is going to cut into their profit margin- and they may as well become a registered breeder. There's a couple of facebook pages that I ask every BYBer the relevant health questions pertaining to their breed and ask if the parents have been tested. I've asked countless BYBers and not one has said yes, the majority say there's no need to and that they are $500 puppies not show dogs. YES!! No need to health test they are not show dogs, and most don't have a clue what health problems there are or that many of them can be greatly reduced or prevented through proper testing and selection of breeding stock. The one that cranks me off the most is the response " my vet health checked them, so they are fine" ... Sorry don't mean to be a smarty-pants but that is exactly the response I got from a few registered breeders when enquiring - just thought it ironic. I don't find it acceptable from any breeder

Show it to me? Show me evidence that shows that anyone who is not an ANKC registered breeder that is breeding dogs is doing it in a completely random manner. I find that one in particular very hard to believe. They are at least picking the breeds they want to use most of the time. Show me the evidence that none of them health test. Maybe they have had different experiences, different upbringing, and different beliefs and education. How many random bred dogs does someone have to buy before they run out of luck? How many pedigree dogs? Rhetorical questions. Of all the byb's I've asked , NONE have health tested their "breeding dogs" None have seen the "need" for it. as to selecting conformation- SOME had no clue what that even meant, while others didn't care. If a person wanted to breed, but couldn't give a hoot about formal registration (ANKC ect) but still health tested and assessed temperament and Conformation- then they are not byb's in my book- but the kind of breeder who cares about what they produce (though I doubt you'll find many of these) as doing "right" by the dog is going to cut into their profit margin- and they may as well become a registered breeder. There's a couple of facebook pages that I ask every BYBer the relevant health questions pertaining to their breed and ask if the parents have been tested. I've asked countless BYBers and not one has said yes, the majority say there's no need to and that they are $500 puppies not show dogs. YES!! No need to health test they are not show dogs, and most don't have a clue what health problems there are or that many of them can be greatly reduced or prevented through proper testing and selection of breeding stock. The one that cranks me off the most is the response " my vet health checked them, so they are fine" ...

The next questions are a) how representative is your sample population? and b) what proportion of BYB puppies from parents that haven't been health tested have heritable diseases that can be tested for? and c) Is this number significantly different from the proportion of pedigree puppies that have heritable diseases that could be tested for? And finally, what is the probability of getting a puppy from a BYB that ends up with a heritable disease that can be tested for? What if there really was no need??? Can you show there is a need? Do you have data? I can analyse data! I see advertised on a regular basis a lot of "Staffy " litters, Poodle, Border Collie, Kelpie, Dane, Amstaff, Labrador, Boxer, all of which have conditions that should be tested for. Ask your mate McGreevy about the stats, he should know all about them.. ohh yeah I forgot, he mixed us all up in the one pot and can't tell you. CEA, TNS, PRA, L2-HGA & HC, CM and Ataxia , just to name a few are diseases that exist in this country, the ethical breeder does test for them and strives to eliminate them or reduce the indicence where possible. BYBers do not, through their own sheer ignorance they know nothing about disease that affect their breed of choice and even worse in most instances choose to ignore it. I'll go back and see if I can find you some of the lovely quotes from BYBers regarding diseases in their breed of choice, most get deleted due to the abuse and swearing that the responses contain .

Show it to me? Show me evidence that shows that anyone who is not an ANKC registered breeder that is breeding dogs is doing it in a completely random manner. I find that one in particular very hard to believe. They are at least picking the breeds they want to use most of the time. Show me the evidence that none of them health test. Maybe they have had different experiences, different upbringing, and different beliefs and education. How many random bred dogs does someone have to buy before they run out of luck? How many pedigree dogs? Rhetorical questions. Of all the byb's I've asked , NONE have health tested their "breeding dogs" None have seen the "need" for it. as to selecting conformation- SOME had no clue what that even meant, while others didn't care. If a person wanted to breed, but couldn't give a hoot about formal registration (ANKC ect) but still health tested and assessed temperament and Conformation- then they are not byb's in my book- but the kind of breeder who cares about what they produce (though I doubt you'll find many of these) as doing "right" by the dog is going to cut into their profit margin- and they may as well become a registered breeder. There's a couple of facebook pages that I ask every BYBer the relevant health questions pertaining to their breed and ask if the parents have been tested. I've asked countless BYBers and not one has said yes, the majority say there's no need to and that they are $500 puppies not show dogs.

Thanks for that further information. I understand there's now similar language in the laws here, too. It opens the way for how the person involved interprets the dog's behaviour. Simply the presence of a largish dog, coming close while on the loose, could make some people feel menanced. There appears to be some element of someone vulnerable feeling under threat in such a way, in this case (from Tralee's description). Recently, I came across a Ridgie-type dog lost & looking a bit anxious. I called to him, hoping to secure him until I could read his ID.... but he lunged towards me with a growl. I could tell it was fear & a warning. If he'd wanted to bite/attack me, he could have. I phoned the Council & gave his location & explained he was frightened so was a bit reactive, but that people who didn't read his behaviour that way, could be very frightened. So there is quite an investigative call to make... interpreting a dog's actual behaviours, the individual responses of people. and aligning that with the options in the law. Absolutely, it's not an easy job by any stretch and what bothers me is the amount of Councils that don't have a designated companion animal office - they just have general rangers with absolutely zero understanding of dog behaviour, body language, motivations etc doing the job. Well, Halle - bloody - luiah. You don't suppose the Ranger went OTT and then found himself out of his depth. ?? That may or may not have happened, I don't know as you haven't given any details of the actual incident. That is beside the point anyway, my issue has never been the incident itself, or the actions taken by the ranger and whether they were actions I would have taken, and I've said a few times I think that you offering the compromise of a Control Order was a good move. My issue has always been that you have misrepresented the facts in this thread by stating that you had won an appeal in court and your dogs now were classified as any other dog in NSW. Both of those statements are false, and by doing that you put other people who may be appealing declarations at risk by providing false information on the outcome. I also had big issue with you posting it in the BSL section and muddying the line between Dangerous Dog and Restricted Dog (which is already done enough in the media and elsewhere). ETA: And in fact based on the information provided I think it's unlikely that the Ranger totally bungled it up, because if he/she did and you could prove it your Barrister wouldn't have told you to settle for a Control, she would have told you to go all the way to appeal to really show the Council up, get costs and ensure your dogs were cleared. This and this. Tralee just doesn't get it, he can dress it up any way he likes but the facts are he did not win an appeal, he conceeded by accepting a control order and is now bound by it. Tralee fails to grasp the enormity of the situation

I'm thinking that maybe the results were not all that crash hot and they have been spread about, to the owners disgust. I can't see how they could possibly be "misused". A copy of a pedigree could be used as false advertising, you see that a lot but there's a gazillion pedigrees on the net to choose from, should a scammer desire one. I wouldn;t think twice about giving copies of health cert's to a puppy buyer, that are part and parcel of a puppy pack and if they requested to see them eatrlier, I'd happily send a copy.

Of course the Council "accepted" your terms, they accepted them because they can police and enforce a control order. Break the terms and conditions of the control order and council can take action against you. Your dogs are not free to live as every non offending dog is in the state of NSW, they are bound by the control order. You can dress it up anyway you like but you did not win, you conceded the what are essentially some lesser controls and avoided having to lock them up in a cage that requires a DA and meets the CAA strict requirements.

The bigger Sighthounds are more laid back and generally the only thing they do in a hurry is chase something. If you want a Sighthound that is more inclined to jump when you say jump, then a Whippet would be more suitable.

Guess what? Sometimes completely irresponsible people sell puppies for next to nothing and they turn out to be fabulous dogs. Sorry if that offends you on some level, but it happens. In contrast, my family has a discounted purebreed from a registered breeder that is riddled with health problems and has appalling structure. Go figure. And people wonder why the public isn't convinced it's worth the money to buy from a registered breeder... ETA Dogs are all things being equal a very infrequent purchase. It only takes one good experience or one bad experience to sway opinions. and it's more by sheer luck than science. There's no need to convince the public to buy from registered breeders, there's already a demand for them that far out weighs the numbers produced.

Basically yes, except I have an added incentive, entirely voluntary, to protect my dogs from the public and other peoples' dogs. I elicted the requirements of the Control Order entirely with the intention to increase the integrity of my own dogs' management practices. Some people seem to think that I don't have the requisite intelligence to do that. What you have done is gotten yourself out of a DD tag and instead have an order that if breached have serious consequences, your dogs are not free, you are now bound by the control order. It's been no win for you, it's been a concession to avoid having them declared dangerous. The status of your dogs has nothing to do with BSL, any dog can be declared "dangerous" only those dogs that are thought to be of a restricted breed or cross can have an NOI to declare them to be of a resticted breed. Yes! Thankyou, that's a perfect succinct way to put it rather than my long winded explanations! :laugh: No worries, sometimes you have to dumb it down a bit for people to grasp the concept.

Basically yes, except I have an added incentive, entirely voluntary, to protect my dogs from the public and other peoples' dogs. I elicted the requirements of the Control Order entirely with the intention to increase the integrity of my own dogs' management practices. Some people seem to think that I don't have the requisite intelligence to do that. What you have done is gotten yourself out of a DD tag and instead have an order that if breached have serious consequences, your dogs are not free, you are now bound by the control order. It's been no win for you, it's been a concession to avoid having them declared dangerous. The status of your dogs has nothing to do with BSL, any dog can be declared "dangerous" only those dogs that are thought to be of a restricted breed or cross can have an NOI to declare them to be of a resticted breed.

I've had a Trek, a custome made, one home build and a Toledo trailer and my next will be a Cruising Canine. I think they have the ability to combine the best features in all of the trailers I've had.

I've had good results on Canidae. I've got a little Italian Greyhound who came as a rescue and had very little coat and condition, he always looks great on it, he's grown coat and keeps the weight on. I've just raised a litter on the ALS chicken formula and the Whippet babies look super and their mother has bounced back very well.

I second RC for building muscle and maintaining muscle. which formula? Medium Adult or the 4800, depends on your dog but I've found both of those to be excellent with the Staffords and the Whippets

Theyare all as crazy as each other

I've had anywhere for 5 - 15 and it doesn't worry me, if you ahve one you may as well have ten. I've currently got 6

There is if you want it to grow and develop properly

I've never had a bitch with pyo but it's something that you need to be mindfull of. If you aren't going to breed your bitch then letting her have a couple of seasons to mature and then desexing would be an idea to think about. As for mammary cancer, I'm yet to have one of those either but again it does happen and you need to know the signs

It's not cute and the poor dog obviously has something wrong with it and to top it off at best it's a Pug cross

If we are talking an island with prey of some kind on it, I'd do ok in the food department with the Whippets and the Staffords. I'd only need two of my dogs. Between them they can run down rabbits and bring down a Hare, so that's food covered.

Good stewards are organised friendly know the rules and regs keep the judging flowing at a stready pace aren't scared to use their voice and don't take shit from exhibitors I agree there's some excellent stewards around Canberra

LOL. At least his back is straight. Thanks for the clarifcation, Diva. I used "elbow" in a previous post too. Funnily enough, I love looking at all the charts at the vet, but once I'm out the door, it is also out of my head. Kind of explains why you bagged the BOB Whippet,you had no idea what you were looking at, aren't familiar with anatomy or a breed standard