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I think we'll hold up just fine. Watch this space. I agree this time round but it wont last forever they will put more pressure on the NT and considering there waqs an alleged pitbull attack there not long ago it will be fresh in their minds.Once the NT folds the ACT wont hold out that long on its own but I guess we will wait and see.

I wouldnt get too carried away just yet.He has said he will raise it with oither states.That doesnt mean they will automatically pick it up.What they are proposing is what has been in place in WA for some time.I do admit that innocent dogs will get caught up in it just as they did in QLD.However before getting hysterical read what is written.If there dog is registered in the first place they dont have to worry and if they are cross breeds should they just be allowed to breed them anyway?There are too many dogs being bred fullstop and that is part of the problem.I am not saying just crossbreeds but if some are caught up in it and have to be sterilised is that all bad.Dogs will only be seized and destroyed if they arent registered and dont comply.They still have to prove what is and isnt. Its not the end of the world just yet. Also I think someone should educate the author of the article.American pitbull terriers and the other restricted breeds ahve been restricted in Tasmania for a number of years.Its only the Territories that they arent but that wont last forever. http://www.dpac.tas.gov.au/divisions/lgd/dog_control/restricted_breed_faqs http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2011/08/19/254351_tasmania-news.html

You beleive this becuase he told you so?LOL.A lot of people claim a lot of things many of them not true.So a young guy with limited resources spends $10,000 to import an American pitbull Terrier when he can get one down the road for $500, yeah right. Not to mention it involves the person at the other end sticking their neck out and lying and risking their livliehood and or prosecution which in America means jail time to send some know nothing kid a dog.I dont think so.Yes it can be done but it wasnt done by this young bloke you speak of.Think about it. Nope, originally I called his bluff and pointed out almost exactly what you stated... but I had to eat my words when he showed us all photos of his "hunting" dogs and his (must admit, very cute) pup was there in print for all to see! When I asked how he managed it all he told me was his brother lives in the US and "where there is a will there is a way". I told him he was a total w@nka and a few other choice words. Unfortunately he hardly has limited resources either. He's 22 and already a $200k plus earner in the mines as a Geotechnical Engineer... money that I could only dream of being on.. LoL. So he showed you a pic of a pup and that makes it true?Lol. Ok, no it doesn't make it true...I lied. He lied. The photo of him and his pup (and his girlfriend I think it was)in the red dirt of Kalgoorlie was most obviously photoshopped.... happy now?! Oh, and the other dudes in the office who have been out shooting with him lied too... lol, probably because he has lots of guns and to argue with him would probably mean a bullet in the foot (just joking). Gosh, I was just telling that it happened. He has contacts... most obviously not very reputable ones. I 150% don't agree with what he did, but he did it. ***sigh*** I knewI should have taken him up on the offer to "prove it" to me, but I didn't want to give him the pleasure of standing me corrected when I told him there was no way he would get one into Australia, especially after seeing the photos and others backing him up. It is worrying thought that if it can happen just how often is it happening?! Just ETA... sorry my response was a bit rude. Am very pregnant and cranky... I don't blame anyone for doubting it. I probably would too. No need to apologise I am just rather cynical.Thats becuase I have heaqrd it all before now and I have been around the block once or twice.

Very offensive and should be removed. People have the right to make fools of themselves, though (at least in the USA, according to the Supreme Court) not to shout 'fire' in a crowded building. I don't see this starting a stampede. When I saw the Nazi'ism tag I expected a thread about pedigree dog breeding, eugenics, and fascist. I agree freedom of speech may be one of the last things left and maybe not for long the way things are going.You dont have to agree with the comments or like them.It is just one persons opinion which they are entitled too.

Mike Hodgens yes.Or Errol which ever he goes by these days.

Good ol Mike is at it again.In 30 years nothing has changed.Still a puppy peddler.Funny when I posted something here about him some time ago it was removed now there it is in full color for you all to see.

You beleive this becuase he told you so?LOL.A lot of people claim a lot of things many of them not true.So a young guy with limited resources spends $10,000 to import an American pitbull Terrier when he can get one down the road for $500, yeah right. Not to mention it involves the person at the other end sticking their neck out and lying and risking their livliehood and or prosecution which in America means jail time to send some know nothing kid a dog.I dont think so.Yes it can be done but it wasnt done by this young bloke you speak of.Think about it. Nope, originally I called his bluff and pointed out almost exactly what you stated... but I had to eat my words when he showed us all photos of his "hunting" dogs and his (must admit, very cute) pup was there in print for all to see! When I asked how he managed it all he told me was his brother lives in the US and "where there is a will there is a way". I told him he was a total w@nka and a few other choice words. Unfortunately he hardly has limited resources either. He's 22 and already a $200k plus earner in the mines as a Geotechnical Engineer... money that I could only dream of being on.. LoL. So he showed you a pic of a pup and that makes it true?Lol.

You beleive this becuase he told you so?LOL.A lot of people claim a lot of things many of them not true.So a young guy with limited resources spends $10,000 to import an American pitbull Terrier when he can get one down the road for $500, yeah right. Not to mention it involves the person at the other end sticking their neck out and lying and risking their livliehood and or prosecution which in America means jail time to send some know nothing kid a dog.I dont think so.Yes it can be done but it wasnt done by this young bloke you speak of.Think about it.

There was an existing population prior to restriction. I have been led to believe that this is not the case. I have not been shown any records to prove the case so I stand corrected if this is so. Two pure bred Pit Bulls were brought legally into this country many years ago and both went to the Gulf Country. To cut a long story short the dog was shot on the chain as he was so savage and totally unmanageable. The bitch was never bred from and also shot to get her off the shoulder of the owner as she had pinned him down. Just your trivia for the day :D I think you heard a story form a friend of a friend of a friend.The dogs were imported from about 1983 onwards until the import ban was brought in in 1992 so that is a 9 year period.I dont know how many dogs were imported but I could find out not that it matters but I would estimate it to be about 3 dozen maybe more in that period of legal importation and that is not accounting for semen imported.In that 20 years they have been banned from importation it has not stifled the gene pool.They honestly beleived they woulbe peter out but they were wrong.They will not be bred out of existence so they need to come up with some common sense policy for all dog owners becuase they are here to stay.There is still a diverse enough gene pool that they will never be eradicated from the Australian landscape.I am not saying this for bragging rights it is just fact,so if the policy makers read this understand it is fact and come up with something that fits. Dont know of your story but in 1985 2 dogs were imported into north queensland by a gentleman and they were extensivley bred from and were from a certain bloodline that is fairly rare these days.That may be the dogs younawere told about.However they were not the first dogs to enter Australia in fact far from it. More than 3 dozen, In Victoria alone there were 60 legally imported That number doesnt surprise me.3 dozen was a conservative estimate of the dogs I know of.I know it will be higher and maybe more than 60 but 80 to 90% were imported into Melbourne so it stands to reason there are still more in Victoria than anywhere.there are still people who have plenty on ice.

There was an existing population prior to restriction. I have been led to believe that this is not the case. I have not been shown any records to prove the case so I stand corrected if this is so. Two pure bred Pit Bulls were brought legally into this country many years ago and both went to the Gulf Country. To cut a long story short the dog was shot on the chain as he was so savage and totally unmanageable. The bitch was never bred from and also shot to get her off the shoulder of the owner as she had pinned him down. Just your trivia for the day :D I think you heard a story form a friend of a friend of a friend.The dogs were imported from about 1983 onwards until the import ban was brought in in 1992 so that is a 9 year period.I dont know how many dogs were imported but I could find out not that it matters but I would estimate it to be about 3 dozen maybe more in that period of legal importation and that is not accounting for semen imported.In that 20 years they have been banned from importation it has not stifled the gene pool.They honestly beleived they woulbe peter out but they were wrong.They will not be bred out of existence so they need to come up with some common sense policy for all dog owners becuase they are here to stay.There is still a diverse enough gene pool that they will never be eradicated from the Australian landscape.I am not saying this for bragging rights it is just fact,so if the policy makers read this understand it is fact and come up with something that fits. Dont know of your story but in 1985 2 dogs were imported into north queensland by a gentleman and they were extensivley bred from and were from a certain bloodline that is fairly rare these days.That may be the dogs younawere told about.However they were not the first dogs to enter Australia in fact far from it.

To answer the question I would say it is in the 1000 to 5000 bracket and possibly higher there are as many here now as there have ever been and more.Just because they were banned from import doesnt mean they wer banned from being bred the other restrictions have only come in the last 5 to 10 years.people never stopped breeding them so like any population it has grown steadily.Just becuase you dont see them out there doesnt mean they arent there.

I have never seen a fighting dog used in a role with Police or security guards. They aren't as controllable/trainable as dogs such as the German Shepherd. My brother was in the Army in QLD and good mates with an MP on the dog squad of the Army base guards. He said the level of self-control those dogs have is amazing. He saw a training scenario one day - in a bite suit one of the MP's ran from a dog that was sent to detain him. Just before the dog reached the guard in the bite suit, the dogs' handler issued an order to stop the chase and to return to his side. It did so immediately, without hesitation. Bet a pitbull wouldn't have that kind of restraint. Why do you think they aren't used in this role? blah blah blah blah blah blah. They are not used because they are a restricted breed and will not be used in any service role that requires them to bite a human in this country becuase of the force and becuase of publicity.It doesnt take a genius to work that out but you already know that troll. American Pitbull Terriers are just dogs they can be trained for a variety of purposes just like any other dog.Keep dribbling.

So what are you saying Matthew? That labs, beagles etc can't bite people? That only certain types of dogs have the potential to be aggressive? If a lab or beagle bit someone, what would your reaction be? OMG! How many times do I have to say it? Yes, any dog can bite - I've said this numerous times. That isn't the point. The point is that pitbulls have been bred as fighting dogs. That makes them an inherently dangerous breed to have around. Labradors, Beagles, Golden Retrievers aren't now, nor have they ever been bred as fighting dogs. They are renowned as 'family' dogs. Honestly, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall sometimes... What part of human aggression vs animal aggression dont you understand.They were bred to fight other dogs not gladiators at the colloseum. The fact they were bred for fighting clearly means they have a predisposition to aggressive behaviour. Whether the focus of their aggression in the past was other dogs or humans is irrelevant. They are a naturally aggressive dog. It is not irrelevant it is more than relevant in the context of the discussion.Dog aggression has absoloutely nothing to do with human aggression.The fact that you dont understand this displays your ignorance. ETA Are you sure you dont work for the Government because that is the same useless argument they have used in the past.

The Mountain Cur isnt here but the Black Mouth Cur is.It has just been imported not the same dog but similar.Remember the movie old yeller.As usual I think you read too much into a breed description.Do you know what a tree dog or bay dog is.they are terms fromyour country not here.A tree dog is bred to hunt the quarry and tree it so it can be shot they arent holding dogs.A bay dog will trail the quarry and sound off and hold it at bay once again not a holding dog.They are more natural cattle dogs and bred as the quintessential american farm dog in parts of the rural south and yes they can be territorial but lets face it which breed of cattle dog isnt.

So what are you saying Matthew? That labs, beagles etc can't bite people? That only certain types of dogs have the potential to be aggressive? If a lab or beagle bit someone, what would your reaction be? OMG! How many times do I have to say it? Yes, any dog can bite - I've said this numerous times. That isn't the point. The point is that pitbulls have been bred as fighting dogs. That makes them an inherently dangerous breed to have around. Labradors, Beagles, Golden Retrievers aren't now, nor have they ever been bred as fighting dogs. They are renowned as 'family' dogs. Honestly, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall sometimes... What part of human aggression vs animal aggression dont you understand.They were bred to fight other dogs not gladiators at the colloseum.

Surprise surprise who would have thought you had an axe to grind.So really you werent attcked by a dog becuase you didnt get bitten.I have been attacked by GSD's the only 2 times I hqve ever been bitten in my life so should I campaign for them to be banned?I have nothing against that breed becuase I realise irresponsible owners make problems dogs 9 out of 10 times.

I dont think so either.The fact they say police cheif and forrest,terms we dont use a lot.Also catahoulas arent that common but the AB catahoula cross is very common in certain parts of the US as hunting dogs.

The dog that killed this little girl wasn't a pitbull Matthew and you know it. The overwhelming majority of individuals of breeds used for police and security work fail the grade for a range of reasons. BTW, dog bites are pretty common in dog handlers. Which part of "because some pitbulls might be dangerous doesn't mean ALL of them are" can't you grasp. Some Labradors are dangerous Matthew. Seriously scarey dogs. Doesnt mean all of them are and you're in a better position than most to know it. But take a poorly bred Labrador, fail to socialise it to recognise children as somethign other than prey, fail to teach it bite inhibition, fail to keep it in a manner that sees it form good social bonds with people, fail to train it to come back when its called and fail to exercise it regularly and you've got a recipe for a dangerous dog. The breed matters only as far as size and power go. It matter as far as bite thresholds and bite inhibitions go. It also matter as far as drives go. Crossbreed it with other large and powerful dogs and your capacity to know what its drives and inhibitions are decreases exponentially. But none of those qualities is restriced to particular breeds, nor shared by all individuals within a breed. Assuming so is the path to disaster and that's the path that BSL takes. Labradors weren't bred for fighting. Pitbulls were and are. The pitbull debate will continue I am sure, but seriously Matthew_B don't you have any other ideas. Surely you don't think banning APBT's is just going to stop dog attacks from happening. I only ever seem to see you post in topics regarding pitbulls. Isn't it ironic that almost every death from a dog attack in the last decade or so has involved a dog that is a member of the pitbull breed, whether purebred or a cross? Yes, I do think that banning all breeds of pitbulls will prevent a considerable number of deaths and maimings because I honestly don't remember the last time I saw a news report of a person dying from an attack of a Beagle or a Dalmatian or a Labrador. Some of you members here are so blinkered with your love of this breed of dog that nothing anyone says or does will change your mind and that is a shame for both past and future victims of these hideous dogs. blah blah blah blah blah blah You just dont get it nor do you listen.

It is about being factual. If it was a cross breed then it was not an APBT. Simple. So now to eradicate cross breeds? Isn't it factual though that a lot of these attacks, have Pitbull in the breed .... the dog was identified as Rotweiller in one, if it was a labrador cross that would be factual ... it is a Pitbull cross, its factual just because its not a purebred pitbull ... doesn't mean, you can argue, it wasn't a pitbull It probably is factual and if a bullmastiff cross or rottweiller cross fataly mauls someone should purebreds of those breeds be banned? If it was a crossbreed it was not a purebred American Pitbull Terrier therefore it is not representative of the breed considering human agression is not a breed characteristic in the majority of the dogs.When you breed a dog with high prey to a defense based dog you are altering the temperament.They were never bred to be a guard dog and most are not.That is the whole premise of the argument and what is so hard about that for people to grasp.I will say it oncde more.PITBULL IS NOT A BREED

Where do you get your info Matthew?Obviously the nightly news and the internet.Where do you come to the conclusion that pitbulls are involved in more deaths than any other breed?Like I said before no Purebred American Pitbull Terrier has been involved in a fatality in this country to date so dont worry what happens in the US. Your ignorance is astounding and the fact that you still think how a dog is raised has nothing to do with it shows you do not understand dogs or the basics of ownership and therefore I dont think you should own a dog at all.You keep saying fighting dog,the dog was a crossbreed it was not an American pitbull Terrier you and the media conveniently keep overlooking that fact. I agree with the dogs being restricted.I agree with tougher penalties for owners whose dogs attack but I have had that opinion for a long time and have written submissions to the DLG stating such.The problem is they took the easiest and least effective and cheapest way out.Like I have said before a million times they will not eradicate pitbulls from the Australian landscape.We are a decade on from BSL and what has changed?If you cant stop it then control it and remove the breed specific part and make owners responsible.For a start councils should inspect premises where dogs are to be kept and if they will be properly contained if not no licence issued and you have 28 days to provide containment and comply or you forfeit dogs or move from that area. I'll refer you to a previous post... Pitbull (all types) attacks: 1,392 Pitbull (all types) deaths: 137 Pitbull (all types) maimings: 734 http://www.scribd.com/doc/11249213/Dog-Attack-Deaths-Maimings-US-Canada-September-1982-to-January-2008 Maybe you need to read what is written.Those statistics are from the US and Canada over a 26 year period and have no bearing on this country.No Ameeican Pitbull Terrier has been responsible for a single fatality in this country to date in about a 30 year period over the same time period.Why do you think this is genius? What part of that dont you understand. Um, I never said it was an APBT. I said pitbulls as a breed. How many dog-related deaths over the past decade in Australia haven't involved a breed of pitbull? Very, very few. They are fighting dogs and have no use for anything other than to fight or to make some moron feel big and tough when he's walking the stupid thing. There is no such thing as a pitbull.It is either an American Pitbull Terrier or it is not.Pitbull is not a breed it is a generic type and commonly used and misunderstood term.If you cant understand that much it displays your ignorance and proves your are just another media sheep.

TD, the fact the society fears something doesn't mean that fear has any basis in fact. I wish folk could see that their belief is being manipulated by politicians and the media for their own agendas and for the most part with no real reason for that fear. I get that people are worried about large powerful dogs and their potential to kill. I share that concern. I wish folk would read past the headlines and hysteria and actually educate themselves about what makes a killer dog. The research is out there, the books are out there and the fact that most people with real knowledge of dogs and dog aggression don't support BSL should be telling you that something's smelly about the BSL solution. Which part of "banning dogs breeds doesn't stop dog attacks" are people failing to grasp??? People like Mathew and others who dont have a fundamental understanding of dogs dont realise how easy it is to make a maneater.They can remove all pitbulls tomorrow and using dogs that are already here and legal you can breed another type of dog in a very short space of time.One that is more human aggressive ,larger and more dangerous.It is not that hard and not that hard to turn them nasty.Armed with that knowledge which end of the leash should you target? If a meth head can make a batch of meth under his kitchen sink with limited knowledge and basic ingredients it proves you dont need to be a chemist.Dog breeding is the same its not rocket science. Wow, sheer lunacy! If we believed you, every Police Dog Squad member and security guard dog unit would be suffering numerous injuries caused by their dogs. The fact that they don't is because the breeds selected are those which can be trained to restrain their aggressiveness and to attack only when commanded. The pitbull that killed the little girl that is the subject of this topic could not be stopped no matter what. Astounding mate.What do serivce dogs have to do with the argument.You just keep digging yourself a hole. It is a waste of time trying to educate you mate as you think you know everything and keep spouting off about things you know nothing about.You know there is a saying."It is better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool,than open it and remove all doubt" Take note

Where do you get your info Matthew?Obviously the nightly news and the internet.Where do you come to the conclusion that pitbulls are involved in more deaths than any other breed?Like I said before no Purebred American Pitbull Terrier has been involved in a fatality in this country to date so dont worry what happens in the US. Your ignorance is astounding and the fact that you still think how a dog is raised has nothing to do with it shows you do not understand dogs or the basics of ownership and therefore I dont think you should own a dog at all.You keep saying fighting dog,the dog was a crossbreed it was not an American pitbull Terrier you and the media conveniently keep overlooking that fact. I agree with the dogs being restricted.I agree with tougher penalties for owners whose dogs attack but I have had that opinion for a long time and have written submissions to the DLG stating such.The problem is they took the easiest and least effective and cheapest way out.Like I have said before a million times they will not eradicate pitbulls from the Australian landscape.We are a decade on from BSL and what has changed?If you cant stop it then control it and remove the breed specific part and make owners responsible.For a start councils should inspect premises where dogs are to be kept and if they will be properly contained if not no licence issued and you have 28 days to provide containment and comply or you forfeit dogs or move from that area. I'll refer you to a previous post... Pitbull (all types) attacks: 1,392 Pitbull (all types) deaths: 137 Pitbull (all types) maimings: 734 http://www.scribd.com/doc/11249213/Dog-Attack-Deaths-Maimings-US-Canada-September-1982-to-January-2008 Maybe you need to read what is written.Those statistics are from the US and Canada over a 26 year period and have no bearing on this country.No Ameeican Pitbull Terrier has been responsible for a single fatality in this country to date in about a 30 year period over the same time period.Why do you think this is genius? What part of that dont you understand.

TD, the fact the society fears something doesn't mean that fear has any basis in fact. I wish folk could see that their belief is being manipulated by politicians and the media for their own agendas and for the most part with no real reason for that fear. I get that people are worried about large powerful dogs and their potential to kill. I share that concern. I wish folk would read past the headlines and hysteria and actually educate themselves about what makes a killer dog. The research is out there, the books are out there and the fact that most people with real knowledge of dogs and dog aggression don't support BSL should be telling you that something's smelly about the BSL solution. Which part of "banning dogs breeds doesn't stop dog attacks" are people failing to grasp??? People like Mathew and others who dont have a fundamental understanding of dogs dont realise how easy it is to make a maneater.They can remove all pitbulls tomorrow and using dogs that are already here and legal you can breed another type of dog in a very short space of time.One that is more human aggressive ,larger and more dangerous.It is not that hard and not that hard to turn them nasty.Armed with that knowledge which end of the leash should you target? If a meth head can make a batch of meth under his kitchen sink with limited knowledge and basic ingredients it proves you dont need to be a chemist.Dog breeding is the same its not rocket science.

FFS Mathew stop your harping and non sense dribble! The dog was a crossbreed, you can not compare and keep blaming the APBT. I've said It before dogs are not born killers they are made by humans, you're targeting the wrong end. This Is not a breed related problem, but a human one How many times does it have to be said they have never been bred for human aggression! NEVER Cross two breeds of unknown origin/history and you get what??? Nothing but a lucky dip I am not blaming the APBT - I am blaming ALL breeds of pitbull. There's just no need, no use, no justification for having one of these fighting dogs. They are trouble just waiting to happen. BIG trouble. What do you mean?It is either an American Pitbull Terrier or it is not.It is pretty black and white.There are no other breeds of pitbull as you put it?A crossbreed is just that a crossbreed.Educate yourself.

Where do you get your info Matthew?Obviously the nightly news and the internet.Where do you come to the conclusion that pitbulls are involved in more deaths than any other breed?Like I said before no Purebred American Pitbull Terrier has been involved in a fatality in this country to date so dont worry what happens in the US. Your ignorance is astounding and the fact that you still think how a dog is raised has nothing to do with it shows you do not understand dogs or the basics of ownership and therefore I dont think you should own a dog at all.You keep saying fighting dog,the dog was a crossbreed it was not an American pitbull Terrier you and the media conveniently keep overlooking that fact. I agree with the dogs being restricted.I agree with tougher penalties for owners whose dogs attack but I have had that opinion for a long time and have written submissions to the DLG stating such.The problem is they took the easiest and least effective and cheapest way out.Like I have said before a million times they will not eradicate pitbulls from the Australian landscape.We are a decade on from BSL and what has changed?If you cant stop it then control it and remove the breed specific part and make owners responsible.For a start councils should inspect premises where dogs are to be kept and if they will be properly contained if not no licence issued and you have 28 days to provide containment and comply or you forfeit dogs or move from that area.