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  1. I really don’t understand why the price of puppies is such a weird thing to ask as the very first question. What’s the problem with wanting to know if the pup is in your range of affordability immediately. Cuts through a whole lot of time wasting in my opinion. Why go through a whole warm and fuzzy back story with a potential buyer to then have them stumble at the last hurdle, price. that would be like all the clothes in a shop not being priced, trying them all on, then realising you can’t afford any the ones that fit, the ones you like, or the ones you want. Or none of the appliances on the shelf at Harvey Norman being priced, asking the salesperson to spend 45 mins running you through all the specs on the ones you’re interested in, only to find you can’t afford any of them.
  2. Keeping these dogs in any sort of proximity to each other even with fences doors pens carefully managed etc, it’s akin to making them live in a domestic violence relationship. While ever Rebel is still your dog, Sam is living on eggshells. It’s not fair.
  3. If you can give an approximate location I’m sure people here can recommend a canine chiropractor/ acupuncturist etc etc. Im in SA and there are some brilliant ones here. So I’m sure there are some great ones within reach of you. personally I prefer ones with a veterinary background rather than a ‘pet therapist’ for a few reasons. it’s probably not the exact recommendation you were looking for, but no matter what the issue with your dogs hindquarter, alternative services like these can offer real insight, real relief, real management. If your dog is lame for any length of time, that will flow through to other issues unless we’ll managed.
  4. The sale hasn’t gone through yet. The breeder has transferred the deposit to the new prospective buyer/owner so in essence they’ve only paid a deposit too. I wouldn’t think you’d get a refund until the puppy sale is complete and it’s gone to its new home. If the breeder doesn’t do what they’ve agreed at that point I’d start to worry a bit. if you’ve got paperwork stating your original deposit and also regarding the deposit transfer you might have a leg to stand on. If you don’t, it may be a lesson to take forward good luck
  5. @moosmum……..“To measure equality by its diversity can only diminish diversity, because equality cancels it out” I think I might be quoting you. I love this. It’s really not hard to grasp, yet somehow ……..
  6. Also , look at the reasons why we have what can be perceived as less than desirable commercial dog breeding facilities. A couple of decades ago there was a strange shift in attitudes regarding dog breeding. When the first few of the really horrible cases of puppy farm busts hit the media, there was naturally an outcry, and the cogs began turning in the “war against puppy farms” . In the race to legislate them out of existence, all that happened was pedigree breeders sort of shot themselves in the foot, where it became positively taboo to actually breed dogs! Breeders eyed suspiciously breeders who appeared to breed volume as well as, or in favour of, showing and ‘hobby’ breeding. The phrase “oh I only breed when I want something for myself” became the cry of the respectable pedigree breeder. At around the same time, breeders of all colours where marginalised to city fringes & rural areas, further from their market and further from scrutiny by the masses. Add to this the law makers busily deciding what constitutes a puppy farm and how & where dog breeding facilities should be run, basically making it legal to run large scale commercial dog breeding facilities. For whatever reason, pedigree breeders thought they’d be exempt or able to side step these laws, but in fact, to law makers, dogs are dogs, no matter their parentage, where they come from or who breeds them. The owners of commercial breeding facilities can quite legally say that they are registered breeders, licensed breeders, breed papered dogs etc, because it’s true. It’s just a different version of all of those things than what the ANKC system offers. Morally & ethically, we all know that large scale facilities with 100’s of breeding dogs is never best practice for dogs, but it can all be legal these days Theres a whole new generation of puppy buyers coming through now who are going to find it ever increasingly difficult to decipher what class of registered licensed breeder they are dealing with. These people have grown up online. When I go online around pet sites, all the advertising that pops up is from ‘designer dog’ breeders. Never once have I seen an ad from an ANKC breeder! Ever!! If ANKC breeders want to claw this back, they have to breed dogs, in volume, and not see it as some sort of offensive thing to have a few dogs & breeding for the pet market. The current supply & demand has to be met somewhere, and while fewer and fewer pedigree dogs are being bred, it’s not rocket science that the market turns to where there is supply. Easy to access, in their faces, supply.
  7. People breeding ‘pure breed’ dogs largely don’t seem to be able to grapple with the concept that ‘protecting’ is denying them exactly what they seem so keen on protecting !
  8. Try convincing the farmer with a ‘short coat border collie’ who works hard daily and saves him the wages of several men, that his dog is less worthy than the show winning pedigree border collie, and vice versa...... All dogs have value in the big picture. Before the introduction of conFORMation dog shows, domestic dogs were bred almost exclusively for purpose. And more often than not, practiced their purpose. The look of the dog was secondary to what the dog could do, and even when ‘looks’ were taken into account, preferences were usually based on the terrain the dog was expected to work in and how. As Conformation dog shows rose in popularity, that drove down diversity by its very nature. the concept of uniformity and purity has been a disaster for domestic dogs. Anyone who thinks dividing and limiting gene pools towards a dead end is a great idea has their heads in a strange place. the very nature of the ‘working v show lines’ is so divisive and does dogs no good. Within breeds, I doubt breeding exclusively towards either goal is a great thing. It seems all the pedigree conformation system has done for dogs is divide, limit, reduce.... In days gone by, I doubt Fred would have cared if Dave’s Labrador had white feet. Dave probably would have watched Fred’s dog and if Fred’s dog had some ability that Dave thought could enhance his own dogs, blokes would have got the dogs together to see what the results were. Maybe they gained some desirable traits, maybe they didn’t. Because they were using the dogs for a purpose they could nut that out pretty quickly and decide their next move. Meanwhile, Mark from a few districts over might have heard about those pups, that were a bit short on leg and a bit too flashy in their marking for the purpose that Fred and Dave needed, but reckoned they might be just the ticket for his slightly different terrain. Once working his new pups, Mark worked out they were lacking in the scenting department for his needs, but decided to take a chance crossing one out to his best little spaniel, and managed to gain the best working dogs he ever had! ( for his purposes) The idea of conformity & purity in dogs is the biggest disease we have bestowed on ‘mans best friend’ and no amount of health testing can undo what driving toward that end has done, whilst ever we still drive in that direction. I use the example of our ‘ beloved’ Australian breeds to demonstrate this. EVERY single Australian breed could only have existed in its current form since, well, since Australia began! And in all of those breeds I can think of, none of them ran off a ship in the form we know them today. They’ve all become what we know them to be today, since Australia was settled. Most recently, the Tenterfield Terrier, our newest ‘breed’ . I feel a little bit ragey when I see discussions about so called designer dogs. Pedigree show people get their knickers all mixed up decrying these dogs. But, in reality, I see new breeds and types emerging. Contemporary dogs bred for contemporary purpose. Just like the old days when the breeds we know and hold close today, we’re being developed, these contemporary ‘breeds’ don’t just hatch out of an egg. They take generations to emerge. We just happen to be the generations witnessing this transition, as I’m sure, in fact hope, that generations to come, will be able to witness the emergence of new dogs to suit their time and purpose. Because things change, and that is ok!!
  9. Typh short for Typhoon seeing as you’ve used the other storm words before Dollop Fly
  10. So cute! For reasons unknown, the very first thing that popped into my head is Bugle
  11. Reading between the lines I get a sense that starting your search in reverse might be a better option. Perhaps by finding the sort of dog/owner you’re looking for first, and tracking back to a breeder……..so possibly look up ‘sports dog club Victoria’ or ‘Melbourne sports dog club’ etc ,join a few local sport dog FB pages. Obviously a bit hard right now with lockdowns to do anything in person, but an ideal time to get online, find the sort or people who own the sort of dog you’re looking for, and talk to them about their breeder/buying experiences. Once you’ve found your crowd, reach out to breeders, be prepared to pay for what you want when you find it.
  12. Oh man if they’d send him to SA I’d be sorely tempted to be a dog owner again! He’s just the kind of doggo that could tempt me back !!
  13. I managed to reply in the wrong thread too!!
  14. Having experience living with Mannies, that would be a hard no!!! Very crazy high prey drive!! Seriously craziest beasties I’ve ever lived with!!
  15. The councils out here, and believe me we’re not exactly ‘remote’, choose death by shooting because our town of 3000+ doesn’t have a vet, the nearest vets are 30-40 mins in either direction for euthanasia options, they could drop them at the AWL a or RSPCA shelters (Adelaide only has one of each) but one is over 3hrs return travel, the other over 4hrs. Without private rescue options many of the dogs out here don’t stand much of a chance. To the credit of local rangers they do try to get dogs into homes directly from council impoundment, but a lot fall through the cracks for various reasons. Councils don’t ask to be the dumping ground for unwanted animals and often have limits to what they can practically do with them.
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