Erny

Your thoughts are not useless, IW4ME. Thoughts are powerful.

First, as you say, let him recover sufficiently. Second, you might be worrying unnecessarily regards to Tyson being scared in his own back yard. No point considering a second dog when you don't know. Besides that, remember that fear/aggression etc isn't alway absolved by the presence of another dog - it can actually work in reverse, with the second dog mirroring the first dog's fear or aggression. I'd be inclined to simply watch his behaviour before he gets to proceed beyond the back door to the yard. If all is ok, then have him on a loose lead (treating it as though no big deal) and go for a walk around the yard, not pushing it near the boundary where he was hurt. A bit of "click and treat" (or whatever other form of learning he is accustomed to) for not worrying wouldn't be a bad idea either. I would probably want to look at that fence line (before he comes home) anyway, to bolster it up and ensure the incident is unlikely to be able to occur again. I'd probably also take precautions to keep him away from that section of fence so that Tyson can't exhibit (and therefore learn) fence fighting activity (in case he should feel that way inclined). It depends on how Tyson is feeling and how well or not his leg is, but a bit of a game in the backyard immediately on his first outing there would be ideal, if he would be into it (ie a game, I mean). Third, carefully work on re-socialising him to other dogs in a controlled environment. Use distance as your (his) friend. Don't push it. Just let him be in the proximity of other dog/s (not in great noisy clusters) and know that nothing bad will happen. If the owners aren't certain of how to go about this or will be unprepared for reactivity, they might want to arrange to have someone knowledgeable/experienced with them who can assist. Best done with either someone who has a stable dog (on lead) or at a reputable dog school - one which has lower numbers in class and a calm environment would be preferable. What you'd be doing here is not only assessing as to whether there is residual psychological damage caused, but also preparing to be able to immediately handle it with appropriate techniques if there is.

Just read about Magnus . Never met him. But had such strong and high hopes for his return, safe and well. RIP Magnus. This news has really saddened me. But I am equally gladdened and re-heartened to hear that Jed has come through her first round of surgery. Come on girl. So many people are rooting for you. Take the strength they offer you with their thoughts, and let that carry you through this time until you are able to find your own strength that I know dwells within you.

The RSPCA did good here and I too was initially concerned but then relieved to hear that Jeds animals were released to MDBA Pacer fosters/carers without hassle. Neither the MDBA nor more importantly Jed and her animals would have needed that. If the RSPCA can work as harmoniously and reasonably and sensibly (and with the animals' true welfare first and foremostly at heart) with more people more of the time like that and drop some of their other heard of but undesirable and deleterious (for animal welfare) tactics (not for this thread), then yes, there's a chance my opinion might change.

Agree It was the teamwork, wasn't it, Erny. Absolutely. And if half the orgs in this Country would work together and achieve as they have in this instance, it will be a better place, not only for the animals but also of course for the people as after all, the animals are often as a member of their family. I think it is called 'humanity'. Also agree of those involved in SES, whether that be the firies or otherwise ..... I have so often seen the bond that occurs between the Emergency Service Person/s and the animal/s they've saved and assisted. This "working hand-in-hand for good reasons, with compassion at its base" .... It's beautiful. It's how I imagine, if there is a God, how God meant it to be.

Pockets - I hope Tyson makes it through and is able to recover smoothly and swiftly. Must have been terrifying. Spottychick - so am I. But one thing that niggles in my mind when I read these stories and comments made without knowing history/story. And that is, could the owners have reasonably known it was a likely, plausible thing to happen? I'm speaking generally, and what I mean is : Were the fences in a good state of repair and sufficient to reasonably be able to be expected to house whatever dogs it is that they have? Perhaps this was a 'first time' event where the dog decided to dig, yet perhaps had never done so before? Should anyone who has any dogs always go to putting down concrete footings along the whole of their fence line, on the "just in case" even though their dog might not ever in its lifetime have made or shown any attempt to move beyond its own yard? There was a poster here on DOL who I think had taken on a rescue. Six foot high fences, secure in every way. Not a tall dog. But turned out he was a Houdini and was able to scale massive heights. Should that new owner have somehow known in advance, or could she be excused for the fact that it took 'once' to evidence the 'unlikely', and from there to modify things to accommodate and prevent? I ask these questions of others and also of myself. Because have I covered every possible angle of escape by my own dog from his yard? I think so, within "reason". But if it did happen that he escaped his yard, even though he's shown no signs of wishing to even attempt to, am I to be held as being guilty of being "irresponsible" ?? Would it be different if my dog got out and did no damage? Am I only "irresponsible" if my dog does do damage? (Remember, I'm talking 'first offences' here.) Do I have to have a crystal ball to be able to escape such a label in the future? I am sure that if my dog was savaged through no fault of his own, especially in his own back yard, that I would be angry. I'm not sure exactly how I would react or feel beyond that and I am not defending any dogs here, but I am seeing often cries of "put the dogs down!!" even well before anyone even has an inkling of what has really occurred. And I hear cries of "irresponsibility" when I wonder, could those owners have reasonably foretold this? In this instance, maybe they could have known. Maybe they are irresponsible. But who are we to know, at this point of time? Just read update, Pockets, and I'm so glad that there is hope for Tyson and I will keep my fingers crossed the Vets are able to help save his leg. Sending healing thoughts from here.

Agree

I'm thinking could be an insect bite. So many "could be's". Hope it's nothing and that it can resolve on its own.

I have read a lot of negative posts about the RSPCA too so hopefully this will change some minds. Good on you Julie for posting this Hi Furballs. I don't know that it will change minds, as it doesn't undo some of the other things that have and do occur to animals and people at the hands of the RSPCA when they should not have. But this does serve as an expression of fairness of attitude and an acknowledgement when some appreciation is deserved and hopefully will show the RSPCA that when disapproval is expressed of them, it's not just because we have a 'thing' that prevents us from acknowledging good deeds.

I agree, Steve. Was talking about this incident with another last night, and mentioned the same thing. "The RSPCA did pick up the animals and take them to safety." Glad you thought to publicly recognise that. Thank you, RSPCA. That's the type of act that truly is "for the animals" and it is good to see. Good on also the MDBA Pacers (which includes not only Julie, but all those others who have volunteered and are assisting in the ongoing care and foster of Jed's loved ones) for the caring role it has undertaken - not only for this tragic incident, but for so many other ones that you have helped out with.

Cool thanks, will double check exactly what was given to the pup in regards to worming tablets or heart worming. Also - the 3rd vet didn't look at the pup he made the diagnosis over the phone!!!!! and also said even though the parents are cleared the pup can still get it!!!! This is a well known Sydney vet mind you. Can I speak up out of fairness to the Vet? Could it be possible that the pup's owners described symptoms and Vet suggested this "L2-HGA" as a possibility, rather than as a diagnosis? If the Vet did diagnose, then that would be very wrong, but it might have been a suggestion as a possibility. Why haven't these people actually been to see the Vet instead of only a talk on the phone? ETA: Sorry - re-read and see this was a 3rd Vet opinion and that owners have take the pup to see the other 2. I'm sensitive to this as so many people want us dog trainer/behaviourists to make suggestions without seeing their dogs (DOL forum is evidence of that) and I'd hate it if any of my suggestions (and that's all they can be and usually expressed as) were twisted around elsewhere to indicate I'd diagnosed the dog's behaviour without witnessing it. I haven't got a clue what L2-HGA is, but I do think it plausible that the pup could be feeling and responding to a drug application (eg vaccination/heartworm) and that's what I'd be checking out first, I think.

Have PM'd you, Sway, with item donations for auction/s.

Oh ..... if I change my avatar, I'm afraid I won't be able to get my other one back (someone did it for me because I didn't know how). And I'm kind of loath to change my "Kal" Avatar. She's my "legend". I'm hoping Jed won't mind and will understand and know that the energy behind my wishes for her swift and good recovery is no less, just because I don't have a candle avatar. For Jed .....

So, Boxer is now 21 months old. Dane is now 15 months old. And the Weim is getting older. Challenging for hierarchy is my first impression. Potentially recognising the Dane's developmental phase as a challenge as well. I agree with Cosmolo regards keeping the dogs from being able to aggressively compete with one another. YOUR leadership is much needed to be recognised by your 'pack'. It will be your strength in leadership that will give you any chance of control over any and all of them when it is most required. I'd suggest you "pull the reins in" and not give an inch. Train the dogs, have fun with them, and so on ..... but make it very clear about whose terms they are working under. Glad you're getting a Vet check on the older Weim - it's always worthwhile, although in the small amount of description that's been given, it sounds more as though your Boxer is at that age of vying for the 'top dog' position amongst the others. Yes - a change in the 'pack' such as moving home (and/or people moving in; moving out; etc - your absence for a month can also have had some effect, and even perhaps your emotional state, given that you've had family "issues" to deal with) can unsettle things and can be the catalyst to these sorts of things occurring, but I think also it is possible that it was going to occur even without moving, at some stage, simply because of development phases your dogs are going through. It might not have been quite as overt or aberrant as what you are now witnessing, but it is a case of "who knows?". Main thing is that YOU put the dogs in a position where you say "NOT ON!!" and that the dogs are aware of your disapproval, and more importantly, respect you enough to give a toss about your disapproval. And of course that you take steps to prevent serious injury amongst them.

Brisbane News : Assuming the paper has it correctly, I presume cards, notes can be sent there?

Auctions are happening. PM Sway regards what you are able to contribute for auction items. First Auction happening HERE

She also does Hair Analysis so I presume people from Intersate would be able to do that with Carol. I didn't think she did hair analysis ..... I thought it was analysis via saliva that she does? I had hair analysis done by someone else. Both interpretations/advice/opinions pointed to the same thing. ETA: Are we talking about the same person, Wolfgirl? I see Jacqueline at Natural Animal Solutions.

Yes, and still do. Have received a lot of support and have made good improvement. Issues aren't black and white and remain a work in progress. We're in Victoria too.

Bellatrix - reports tell that she has 2nd degree burns to 15% of her body (arms; face). Not as bad as it could be, but not good. I'm sure your prayers will help.

Jed Magnus Surviving dogs/pups And to those who are now looking over Jed from the Candle flame burns brightly for you all to find your way. Judi and Mandela

That often happens for the 2nd dog in the family. Problem is that the 2nd dog is not taught it's ok without another dog being present, so whatever you do, in a multiple dog household family, teach for independence for the dogs' sakes.

Heck .... I'm sure that Julie MDBA would be able to put it to veeeeeerrry good use, LOL. But that's not the point of the contribution, I realise. Nice gesture .

LOL .... you're welcome, although it really was a "hedge your bets non-answer" and I can see it would leave you no wiser than you probably already were before you asked the question. I agree with SparkyTansy - much also does come back to what you can manage, your leadership etc.

No one's responded to you FranCQ, but be not offended, I expect Sway and others are, apart from being upset by this themselves, would also be very busy with doing what they do under these sort of circumstances. I know I would love to have a wine pack (yumm : ). I don't know of any laws to suggest that it would be illegal to offer it up as an auction donation, but I'm not certain. I think Sway would be better at knowing this and I'm sure she'll comment one way or the other as soon as she is able to. But good for you for offering to put this up as a contribution towards the MDBA Pacers "Jed Appeal".

Ideally speaking? IMO, having an age gap of 6 or 7 years is good. The theory is that by the time new pup becomes 2yo, the older dog who was initially in "prime", is now becoming 'aged' (9yo) and potentially more likely to submit to a challenge by the younger dog, if there is to be a serious one. BUT, this is ONLY rule of thumb and theory - there are so many variants to take into account, including breed of dog and size and individuality. There's no guarantee that the 6 or 7 year age gap will mean there will be no issues, just as there is nothing to say that you might have two dogs closer in age to each other who might never have a tiff between each other in their lifetime.