WreckitWhippet Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Just because you've been doing it for years, doesn't mean you do it with a huge amount of success. Hence the sour grapes thread from fixer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Just because you've been doing it for years, doesn't mean you do it with a huge amount of success. Hence the sour grapes thread from fixer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayreovi Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) I get a little tired of people who have been showing for years who think they're superior because they've been doing it for a long time - all I see at shows is some people who "get it" and some people who don't and never will - time and experience can be useful but only for those who wish to learn. Sour grapes indeed. Clearly the judge thought the other dog was better, don't enter under that judge in future if you are so upset by losing to what the judge thinks is a better dog. What do I know though, I am apparantly not allowed to have an opinion as I have a rare breed like Rebanne ETA: Ohh I've been showing for 10 years, have I met the magical 'know it all' year number yet? Edited January 9, 2013 by tollersowned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixer Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 The thread was inspired by the "Look what their doing to our dogs'' thread. And of course personal disappointment. I enter with expectations. As I would expect does everyone. I know my dogs faults, as I know the faults of the their regular opposition. Of course i'm disappointed not to win, as I expect everyone is, my disappointment is diminished somewhat when the opposition I picked as worthy are awarded. My dogs have always moved well. It is one of their best assets. A necessity in any dog, Ch or pet. Bad movement is so obvious to me I wonder why it is not to some judges. The disappointment comes when dogs with obvious faults are awarded over more correct exhibits. I breed one breed sparingly & exhibit under my own prefixm also sparingly. Unlike those who breed various breeds often, never exhibit their own prefix, nor have titled an exhibit of their own breeding in the twelve years I competed on their circuit. Sour grapes? No, frustration. Frustration at seeing unworthy dogs awarded over those more worthy. This is not a personal opinion, this is the same opinion everyone who exhibits has heard at one time or another about shows they have ever attended & will ever attend in the future. This is a situation that must be suffered in silence. This topic is merely a suggestion that could remedy that situation. I'm wondering if those choosing to denegrate rather than discuss are worried if such a provision came to be they would be ''embarassed" by a challenges. For the record. I have three titled dogs of my prefix currently in my kennel. Two titled of my prefix & two titled purchased dogs that are no longer of this world. "They" have been awarded multi B.O.B, B.I.G & class in group. One B.I.S. That is as successful as I ever hope to be when I started out all those years ago. Real "success" is breeding your own titled dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixer Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 I was in a discussion quite a while ago, where I was educated that here in Australia, despite what standards say, we have no method of actual ' disqualification' of a dog in the show ring. The 'non award' was stressed as the ONLY option in spite of the written standard. It was then strongly presented that the term DQ is actually non existant here when it comes to show dogs. As for being told by a judge, that it is 'their opinion I've paid for' NO, I've never been told that, but in fact I have said that to others and then had to make a decision as to whether or not I would pay for that opinion again in the future. As for sub standard dogs in the ring...yup...all the time..some are known as 'phil' it happens and nothing will change that. Not all exhibitors care if they show only thier best or not. When you have the only entries in a breed, you can pretty much run your own show when it comes to how big a challenge win you want to pay for. I would like to see the standards really tightened up. The breed description more precise & faults listed by degree. Dq faults needn't be listed if, in a perfect world, the judge has as much concern for the well being & improvment of the breeds as the ethical, responsible breeders do. Non awarding does happen, but not enough. The onus could be taken away from the judges if minimum entry requirments ( based on breed registration numbers) for the awarding of C.C.'s was introduced. Like it is in the U.K. for instance. I nearly choked on my french donut when I read on "minority" breed exhibitors complaining it would be impossible for their dogs to attain the new "Supreme Ch" status. It really is hypocritical for people to join the face judging & payback chorus' regarding judges awarding judges,. Everyone knows it happens, but the rub is judges usually have very good dogs to begin with. When a suggestion is put forward were there is something tangible to complain about they want to poh bah the idea. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'll play the game and bite, seeing as though you want to bag the dog but his record speaks for itself. He stays at home for sometimes months on end and is shown when we feel like it. Looking at his numerous challenges, he's never been awarded a challenge that I can see or remember under the same judge twice. None of his BIG's of RUBIG's have come from the same judge. I've not had the fortune of scoring the group judge for general specials and the class in show and BIS win have required two judges to put him up. He's been under breed specialist, old time Terrier judges, owners and exhibitors of the breed and judges from all around the country, surely they can't ALL be wrong ? He's beatable as all dogs are but more often than not he's a breed winner and his last metropolitan outing was a class winner of six. Feel free to pick the faults, discuss them, make what you will of them. I know what they are, there's no hiding them but his virtues far outweigh his faults. 4th Baby Puppy class at SBT Club Northern NSW Sept 2009, under Mr Frans Coetzer ( South Africa ) 3rd Baby Puppy Class at SBT Club Norther NSW Sept 2009, under Ms Nancie Booth ( UK ) 1st Baby Puppy dog at British Terrier Club of NSW, October 2009, under Miss J McLauchlan (UK) 4th Puppy Dog at the ACT & Dist SBT club, 10th April 2010, under Mrs Elaine Norton (UK) 2nd Puppy Dog at the ACT & Dist SBT club, 11th April 2010, under Mr Tec Norton "black brindle, a very appealing expression on this dog with nice round eye and neat ears, just the right head shape from all angles. Slightly heavy in lip. Good body properties, well boned, good front, stifles well bent at the back. Both these two dogs have the facial expression that others dream about!" 3 x Baby Puppy In Group First 3/6 Months Sweepestakes Minor In Group 4 x Puppy In Group Third 6/12 Sweepstakes 7 x Junior In Group 2 x Junior In Show 3 x Intermediate In Group 3 x Intermediate In Show 12 x Ausbred In Group Two Ausbred In Show Open In Group 7 x Runner Up To Best In Group 8 x Best In Group BEST IN SHOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Sorry Pav lova but I need a better pic to see Brett's yellow eyes and his tan markings :laugh: What a lovely SBT he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Sorry Pav lova but I need a better pic to see Brett's yellow eyes and his tan markings :laugh: What a lovely SBT he is. That's the best that I can give you. That's a pic not taken by me, not edited other than being cropped and facing the full afternoon sun. I guess he's not referring to him afterall LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H.M Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Brett's such a handsome dog, only a complete dullard would be saying he is unworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayreovi Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Beautiful Stafford! Is he the dog meant to have yellow eyes? They don't look yellow to me...... Edited January 10, 2013 by tollersowned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conztruct Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 What a beautiful Staffie Pav Lova - you are to be commended on him - a beautiful dog, beautiful condition and beautiful coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixer Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'll play the game and bite, seeing as though you want to bag the dog but his record speaks for itself. He stays at home for sometimes months on end and is shown when we feel like it. Looking at his numerous challenges, he's never been awarded a challenge that I can see or remember under the same judge twice. None of his BIG's of RUBIG's have come from the same judge. I've not had the fortune of scoring the group judge for general specials and the class in show and BIS win have required two judges to put him up. He's been under breed specialist, old time Terrier judges, owners and exhibitors of the breed and judges from all around the country, surely they can't ALL be wrong ? He's beatable as all dogs are but more often than not he's a breed winner and his last metropolitan outing was a class winner of six. Feel free to pick the faults, discuss them, make what you will of them. I know what they are, there's no hiding them but his virtues far outweigh his faults. 4th Baby Puppy class at SBT Club Northern NSW Sept 2009, under Mr Frans Coetzer ( South Africa ) 3rd Baby Puppy Class at SBT Club Norther NSW Sept 2009, under Ms Nancie Booth ( UK ) 1st Baby Puppy dog at British Terrier Club of NSW, October 2009, under Miss J McLauchlan (UK) 4th Puppy Dog at the ACT & Dist SBT club, 10th April 2010, under Mrs Elaine Norton (UK) 2nd Puppy Dog at the ACT & Dist SBT club, 11th April 2010, under Mr Tec Norton "black brindle, a very appealing expression on this dog with nice round eye and neat ears, just the right head shape from all angles. Slightly heavy in lip. Good body properties, well boned, good front, stifles well bent at the back. Both these two dogs have the facial expression that others dream about!" 3 x Baby Puppy In Group First 3/6 Months Sweepestakes Minor In Group 4 x Puppy In Group Third 6/12 Sweepstakes 7 x Junior In Group 2 x Junior In Show 3 x Intermediate In Group 3 x Intermediate In Show 12 x Ausbred In Group Two Ausbred In Show Open In Group 7 x Runner Up To Best In Group 8 x Best In Group BEST IN SHOW Is he the boy the boy with yellow eyes? Did you you breed him? I don't the know the dog, I merely repeated some complaints about awarding dogs with obvious faults from another forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I don't the know the dog, I merely repeated some complaints about awarding dogs with obvious faults from another forum. Message here perhaps is to only repeat things if you know what you are actually repeating..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Maniac Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'm an amateur, but I'm popping in to say; what a stunner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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