Vaccination Death

[Erny]

Professor Ronald Shultz, a Veterinary Immunologist/Vaccinologist has been researching veterinary vaccines for more than 30 years.  He has said that if a pup is vaccinated once with a Modified Live Virus vaccine after the maternal antibodies have waned, then provided that vaccine 'takes' that dog will be immune for life.

Not sure if it was written by this guy, but someone posted a very interesting article on this subject a few months ago. I haven't been able to find it, so if anyone has it or can link it I would really appreciate it.

Also, in a small hijack, because of this article I was going to have my dogs titre tested in Feb, which is when their annual booster is due. Someone once posted about a Vet's who did titre testing and if it was necessary, vaccinated the dogs at no further charge. Does anyone what Vet it was, or know of a Vet that does this?

I too would be interested in the answers to the two questions Haven has raised here.

Anyone?

[Coolibah Coolies]

Ok guys here is a real life senareo I am picking up 3 puppies in the morning, they have had 1st vacination due for second I know my vet only has fort dodge what do I do? ask her to get other brand in specially? I am so frightened after what happened to daisy and buddy I cant sleep.

Edited to add after Buddy died with no symptoms. Daisy vomited twice on the monday morning  they had had the  vaccs on  the previous Friday morning. I raced her to the vet where she spent 5 days on a drip had plasma etc we made the decision to give her her wings after 5 days 

Next closest vet is 200 ks away?

I know that lots of people in the USA and vets will not use fort dodge and there is alot of info on the net regarding such happenings.

Thanks

Ruth

coolibahkoolies, I can imagine how you must be feeling.

YES, I would ask your vet to get in another brand. I would tell them that you have had bad experiences with this brand and there is no way that you will use it again. Any decent vet would understand after what you have been through - if not - find another one.

I would rather inconvenience the vet (sorry to the vets out there ) than risk another episode such as you have had.

Although, if it was me (and before anyone jumps on me, Im stating what I would do after the research I have done) I would just be doing a non Fort Dodge C3 vacc at 12 weeks and thats it. End of story. It has been so long since I have vaxed now - I cant remember :D what age is the second vacc at?

Jen

Thanks Jenny, I will ask her if she can get other brand and also think i will ring the other vet and see if he stocks the other brand as i will be closer to him in the morning 50 ks or so.

My vet is great but not once did she ever make any suggestion that the vaccinations could of been the cause of Buddies death or why daisy got so bloody sick after being vaccinated twice ? there was no point testing for parvo as she had the vac in her system I suppose it is like drs we go to them to make us better or in this case to prevent the worst happening, it is devestating when it goes wrong.

This block has only had a house on it for 4 years previous owners only had one old german shepherd, was virgin bush before the house was built, If it was parvo and vets allways call any thing resembling it parvo I find I must of picked it up on my shoes in town. :p No others got sick just two babie.?

[morgan]

Agree with not using Fort Dodge under any circumstances - even my vet won't touch their products!

Just going a bit off topic re vaccine efficacy - the usual party line is that if the person/animal catches the disease they have been vaccinated against, then it will be a milder case - not in this case in the UK - cost the vaccine producer thousands!

Vaccine payout

[fiery_di]

Thanks for the Fort Dodge ProHeart links.

I have just rang my vet specialist, Max Zuber in regards to this as he was quite interested in Ruby when she contracted thyroid problems (overactive thyroid), which is quite rare in dogs and was NOT cancer related. After having half her thyroid removed I have to admit that she is now a different dog. But, very interesting that just prior (say 1 month)to being diagnosed with the thyroid problem she was administered the ProHeart injection.

A couple of years previous to this (2003) she was administered the Proheart injection and then contracted Immune Mediated Thrombocytapenia about 3 weeks later.

Max is ringing me back today to discuss this issue so I will let you know how it goes...

Cheers,

Fiery Di

[Pup's mum]

A new website for perusal for those interested......

http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/

[Do No Harm]

There were some responses seeking more information on the quote I gave from Professor Ronald Schultz. The quote I gave was from notes taken by a Vet Technician at a seminar given by Dr Schultz in March of last year. It is all consistent with what he is reported in serious mainstream media reports in the US and with papers written and/or co-written by him - some of which are freely available on the Internet. One source is the IVIS site http://www.ivis.org but one needs to be registered. There is also an atricle which one can access from the University of Wisconsin website http://www.wisc.edu/ where he works. A media release is available from that site at http://www.news.wisc.edu/releases/8413.html.

In an Australia Veterinary Journal, a Veterinarian had a letter published in which he stated that he never vaccinates his own dogs from onset of adulthood, they are constantly exposed and her has never had any problems. He referred in that letter to a study done in which Beagles were vaccinated as pups, isolated and never vaccinated again but were euthaised at 10 years of age. At the time they were euthaised they still had protective titers against the diseases they'd be vaccinated against in spite of having no possibility of exposure to the wild virus strains. I've spent about three hours searching for that letters page which, from memory, I think I received as a link. I have a hard copy too, and cannot find that either (my filing is atrotious!) I've just sent off an SOS to the person who sent it to me and meanwhile I shall continue looking here. As soon as I find (or receive it again) I'll post it here.

[Do No Harm]

I've just found my hard copy of the letter referred to in my previous post. It is written by Dr Roger Clarke of Bundoora in Victoria and appears on page 670 in the Aust Vet J Vol 79, No 10, October 2001.

[zayda_asher]

Ok, Sorry it took so long, but here's a bunch of links I've collected:

CARE

Homeopet

Changing Protocols

Adverse Reactions - Dodds Article

Links to various articles

Vaccinations

Canine Health Concern

Over vaccination

NoVaxx

Adverse Reactions - with photos

Dog Adverse Reactions Site

Think Twice - Human site, but good info

A Word of Caution Part I

A Word of Caution Part II

Vaccination Liberation

Vaccine Website

That should keep y'all going for a while :rolleyes:

Dan

[Nekhbet]

We've gone off vaccinations for now. She had her first puppy one, I got her at 10 weeks then at 12 weeks I gave her a c5 because we were going to be out and about. The vet said it may sting a bit, she was in pain where they pricked her and he was crying all day and off for a couple. We tried c5 again at 6 months of age (the vet told me I did it wrong and would have to start again ... please read the textbook and know about the titres) and same reaction, burning, crying, itching, off her food and general depression.

The whole yearly vaccination goes back to when we had cases of distemper running around. Yearly vaccs were nearly a guarentee of eradicating the disease, and making people bring their dogs to be checked by a vet who would keep tabs on diseases and conditions of animals in their area. Like polio, thats why they cram it into every kid, to make sure it doesnt come back. These diseases exist in our country but immunisation has prevented epidemics like back in the 50s. Conversely in that time companies have had enough time to find safer vaccination methods so they vaccine could safely be given in such unnaturally frequent doses.

The whole puppy series of vaccinations was worked out by vets so they didnt have to do titres on every dog. Same idea, the average dog after a series of 3 vaccinations and maternal antibodies would have a high enough titre to have a sporting chance of surviving a run in with the disease. Unfortunately now even some vets have been brainwashed into this being the only way your dog is protected so push vaccinations onto people without proper research.

Mina now thinks needles = pain so I cant put her through that. Maybe in a few years time for a boost but we really dont socialise enough for me to put her through that every year.

I would like to find out what in the c5 actually causes such pain and if there is another brand that may not have the same reaction.

Edited January 13, 2006 by Nekhbet

[Rappie]

Nekhbet - as far as I am aware its the BB component that stings. I don't know whether it is because the components are mixed, or the all in one syringe is a little more awkward to handle but I find that I have more "yelps" using the CSL/Pfizer C4 + BB compared to other brands (although all round I feel more comfortable with their product). With the Intervet and Fort Dodge vaccines, I give two separate injections for a C5 and don't seem to have the same trouble.

Which brands have you been using? I suppose the alternative would be to use a C3 + B2/3 intranasal vaccination although that option also has its problems and critics.

[bstone7]

I have never heard of any of this until today, it really opens your eyes doesn't it?

I have had the C5 done on all of my dogs for years and have never had a problem. It is probably one of those things that we have just been really lucky with and have never even had a reaction.

Is there anyone there who has the C5 or higher?