Gamby Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Hi I attended Ian Dunbar's talk last night in Preston. What a treat it was. He is so into helping the puppies get it right that his whole class do off lead training. Can you imagine 6 - 8 puppies in a room off lead and all doing recalls, sits, go play, sit, recall. What a sight that would be. Do any other clubs train that way? His explanation of teaching those who speak in a gruff or low tone is something I will use tonight in class. His explanation of the importance of the Sit and Stay exercise and how to teach it was excellent. I had tears flowing in laughter a number of times during the night. He was so good at telling stories. What were your thoughts on the night? How about the books that were on sale, I over heard one man say to another, "you can't believe that there are that many books on dogs, can you?" I smiled to myself and thought Oh if only I had the time and the money to read them all. Wendy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 His explanation of teaching those who speak in a gruff or low tone is something I will use tonight in class.His explanation of the importance of the Sit and Stay exercise and how to teach it was excellent. Can you please share the tricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Kintala i believe train with pups of lead I love dunbar i have a dvd of his and a tape of his puppy classes very entertaining speaker. didnt get to go to preston but im sure it was well worth it. would like to hear about this gruf tone thing to i need ideas for a class memebr on that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Hey I was there last night too Loved his sense of humour and found the information he gave excellent! I particularly loved his impression of the sheltie owner - hillarious and also the way he shows the owners their "competition". I spent too much money on books and videos and ate too many sandwiches. An excellent night, I only wished I was able to see him in Sydney today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I was at the Adelaide one last Sunday. I too really enjoyed what he had to say and he was definitely a really good presenter. Everybody spent a good part of the seminar laughing - especially at all those sheltie jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Hey im a sheltie owner whats so funny baout us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 ROFL memyself i must have missed the sheltie owner jokes on the Saturday we only got sheltie dog jokes oh and Ian's Malamute/Husky type impersonation was very clever - did you get to see that as well in Melbourne? Actually in fact all his impersonations were good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatevah Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Kintala club train off lead from the very begging. Dogs are socialised and handlers are encouraged to call their dogs out of from socialisation, reward and then let the dogs socialise again. The pups are then taken for a one on one session with the instucter and handler and the pup is taught off lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 so Ness what were these terrible sheltie jokes I work my training group off lead it certainly makes the class aware of keeping attention on their own dog to keep it with them its a lot of fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Come on you guys, tell us more about the seminar. I was keen to fly up to Sydney, until a retrieving weekend clashed. I had forgotten all about last nights Melbourne seminar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fido666 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Did not even know it was on, how does one find out about these things? Cheers, Corine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyWild Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I saw it advertised on www.k9events.com along with many other events that are advertised there. Now now julie, you never share secrets with any one else do you Dr Dunbars main focus is that all training from a puppy up occurs off lead (apart from learning to walk on a loose lease). That way you don't gain any reliance on the leash (or any other tool for that matter) in the training (effectively in the long term control comes from allowing access to resources - eg require a sit every 15sec when on a walk if they want to continue walking around freely sniffing/playing/etc ). His other focus was that puppy/dog classes need to be fun otherwise joe blow looses interest and won't strive for that excellent control/relationship with their dog. Excellent explination and presentation of seminar - lots of fun - suggest anyone who has the chance in the future to get along to anything he does. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Julie Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 What was the thing about a gruff voice? Was he saying to use a gruff voice or not to use a gruff voice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyWild Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Gruff can be conditioned to being a good thing - ie slowly change your voice with a command to being gruff but rewarding along the way. Some people training dogs will want to behave in a manner that is not ideal (ie loud, gruff instead of higher pitched,exciting which is naturally more interesting and posistive for dogs) so you need to learn to taylor training programs around what they want - don't just tell them they're wrong and do it this way. I think this was what you were talking about. The other voice was the reprimand voice which was more 'urgent' in sound, not necessarily gruff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 He was saying that some people (mostly males) cannot emit a "squeaky" praise voice - as he put it. So in the case where people have a naturally gruff voice, they can condition the dog to recognise the tone as praise. You would start in a low tone, saying "good dog/boy/girl" and giving a treat/pat, then you slowly increase the volume and lower the tone as you go so that eventually the dog is accepting a gruff "good boy" (or whatever you use) as praise. It's merely conditioning the dog to the tone. He seemed to be against clicker training, saying that this is one of the major causes for the drop in standards these days. He also stated the obvious (well at least to many) that purely positive training isn't exactly purely positive and that the use of negative reinforcement is regularly used in pp training. I think purely positive trainers should change their titles to "+/- trainers" - , sorry, just seeing the funny side of it. He calls his training method "all or nothing" which I think is actually free shaping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyWild Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 I think the ''all or nothing'' program is probably the same as NILIF but probably starts out using treat rewards then progresses onto general resources as rewards - eg sit for pat, sit to go outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 is anyone going this Sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Tim m99, Dr Dunbars main focus is that all training from a puppy up occurs off lead (apart from learning to walk on a loose lease). That way you don't gain any reliance on the leash (or any other tool for that matter) in the training (effectively in the long term control comes from allowing access to resources - eg require a sit every 15sec when on a walk if they want to continue walking around freely sniffing/playing/etc ). LL: But voice is certainly a tool? PS Just when I finally learnt how to quote on the old style forum, they change the board, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 I think the ''all or nothing'' program is probably the same as NILIF but probably starts out using treat rewards then progresses onto general resources as rewards - eg sit for pat, sit to go outside. I don't actually think it's directly linked to NILIF. NILIF is more a "earn your reward" system. It is used to have the dog sit before he eats or drop before you can be let in. But I get where you're coming from. The "all or nothing" was more about shaping ie. teaching the dog not to jump. Waiting for the dog to stop jumping and then rewarding it, or waiting for the dog to walk close by and rewarding it and so forth. You free shape a behaviour that a dog does naturally- without command or lure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 How old were these 6 - puppies doing miracle feats?. With mine, if they let go finally of my jeans, while walking about, I am happy. Puppy teeth hurt, LOL. I understand the use of voice. Heck I no no my dogs for bad choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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