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I make my own. No soap or harsh chemicals and essential oil blends - can be used on all animals and one is even good for anxious dogs. I've only just started to sell it - works in well with the Lavender Farm.

O.K. I know this thread was about potential breeds with less risk of cancer but I get the feeling its about wanting to something that may make a difference and take a bit of control. Fact is that if you know you have to watch for them and catch them when they first show you can have them removed quickly and have less chance of them developing into an issue.You have a diagnosis - thisis a postive thing and means that you really do have some ways of taking or at least feeling you are taking a bit of control The problem is about the breakdown in cell health and immunity generally in your dog. So traditionally vets and specialists will treat it with surgery,chemo,radiation etc and not much else because they treat the symptom - not the problem. Once you identify the problem as being an immune system related issue then you can go full speed ahead with improving the health of the immune system and hopefully decreasing the chances that it will recur or at least recur less frequently and less aggressively This is too long and you will need to answer some questions for me to deal with here but if I were you and this were my dog Id go mad on what needs to be done to improve the health of his immune system.That wont do any harm and it will make you feel you have some control over how it all progresses. Cheer up all is not lost - there is still hope and you don't have to feel you are on your own in this - email [email protected] Julie

try again BREAKING NEWS-FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE September 8th, 2007 MICROCHIP IMPLANTS CAUSE FAST-GROWING, MALIGNANT TUMORS IN LAB ANIMALS Damning research findings could spell the end of VeriChip Exclusive Global Announcement Made on WTPRN Friday Night! From: Dr. Katherine Albrecht http://www.citizensadvocate.net/newsletters/albrechtVeriChipAP.html (Go to web site to see tumors) FOR RELEASE: September 8, 2007 MICROCHIP IMPLANTS CAUSE FAST-GROWING, MALIGNANT TUMORS IN LAB ANIMALS Damning research could spell the end of VeriChip The Associated Press will issue a breaking story this weekend revealing that microchipimplants have induced cancer in laboratory animals and dogs, says privacyexpert and long-time VeriChip opponent Dr. Katherine Albrecht. As the AP will report, a series of research articles spanning more than adecade found that mice and rats injected with glass-encapsulated RFID transpondersdeveloped malignant, fast-growing, lethal cancers in up to 1% to 10% of cases.The tumors originated in the tissue surrounding the microchips and often grewto completely surround the devices, the researchers said. Albrecht first became aware of the microchip-cancer link when she and her"Spychips" co-author, Liz McIntyre, were contacted by a pet ownerwhose dog had died from a chip-induced tumor. Albrecht then found medicalstudies showing a causal link between microchip implants and cancer in otheranimals. Before she brought the research to the AP's attention, none of thestudies had received widespread public notice. A four-month AP investigation turned up additional documents, several ofwhich had been published before VeriChip's parent company, Applied DigitalSolutions, sought FDA approval to market the implant for humans. The VeriChipreceived FDA approval in 2004 under the watch of then Health and Human ServicesSecretary Tommy Thompson who later joined the board of the company. Under FDA policy, it would have been VeriChip's responsibility to bringthe adverse studies to the FDA's attention, but VeriChip CEO Scott Silvermanclaims the company was unaware of the research. Albrecht expressed skepticism that a company like VeriChip, whose primarybusiness is microchip implants, would be unaware of relevant studies in thepublished literature. "For Mr. Silverman not to know about this research would benegligent. If he did know about these studies, he certainly had an incentive tokeep them quiet," said Albrecht. "Had the FDA known about the cancerlink, they might never have approved his company's product." Since gaining FDA approval, VeriChip has aggressively targeted diabeticand dementia patients, and recently announced that it had chipped 90Alzheimer's patients and their caregivers in Florida. Employees in the MexicanAttorney General's Office, workers in a U.S. security firm, and club-goers inEurope have also been implanted. Albrecht expressed concern for those who have received a chip implant,urging them to get the devices removed as soon as possible. "These new revelations change everything," she said. "Whywould anyone take the risk of a cancer chip in their arm?" __________________________________________ MUST LISTEN!!! Dr. Katherine Albrecht speaks of Dogs dying from these implants! Go to http://www.wtprn.com/Ettaro_Albrecht.mp3 tolisten to Dr. Katherine Albrecht.

Im really sorry to hear this - it must be so difficult for you to watch this. Sadly even though some cancers are more common in some breeds any dog can develop cancers just as any human can. So much depends on other things which may impact on the chances a dog will hit this problem. Depending on which expert you speak with they all have their own theories. Some think its about what conditions the grandmother lived in and what diet she was fed because it her which deposits the cells in the mother that produces the dog you have. Lots of studies to back that up. Some will tell you its how the bitch and the pups are raised - the environment, the diet , stress levels and exposure to chemiacls etc Lots of studies to back that up. Some will tell you its about chemicals the dog is exposed to throughout its life time - heartworm meds , vaccinations, and a multitude of others in their environment and that they are given. Lots of studies to back that up. Some will tell you its about the diet and some foods have been found to turn cancer cells on - others are known to turn them off. Lots of studies about that. Obviously some run in families - so if Im buying a new puppy Im eager to see the grandparents and hear what the dogs are fed on and how the breeder manages chemicals and parasite control etc . Id be looking at these things over breed. Julie

Seeing as it came from Banksia Park Puppies, most likey none. Id like to take a shot at cross breeders too but hard to do on this one. Banksia park are under Victorian laws and parents have to be checked and given a tick and no matter how much testing is done this particular problem could happen to any breeder. May not have anything to do with genetics and may be a one off. They are not going to cut too many corners because there is too much bad PR and money in it if they get things like this happening.

No - they wont cut the numbers because more numbers mean more choices. Victoria in their wisdom exempt Greyhound breeders from mandatory codes - having said that you can bet your life its exaggerated and one sided as it always is.

Still waiting to see a nomination this year for him www.mdbaawards.net.au

I say that I may have puppies available and that they are welcome to ring. Wont sell them one unless they do anyway so may as well sort it out straight up.

Dogtainers [sydney] has an agent in Wagga so crates are there in any size when ever you want them.

If they really were prepared to put out 5 grand that's pretty spectacular.No other breeder I know would do so and no breeder is obliged to do so. Of course they wanted it kept quiet because they will have all those puppy buyers from a decade ago pushing now for vet bills to be paid on all manner of things.

There is a definite need for these things to be addressed in Queensland - not just with the LDH but in general with local councils. Many small private rescue groups have had some horrendous restrictions and red tape shackle them - a foster carer who lives in one shire cant foster a dog in another shire, a rescue group who's contact address in one shire cant take dogs form any other etc . Post floods the pain that rescue went through is something that should have been publicised and yelled about because with so many people needing help for their animals it exposed the crap in a major fashion - problem is council hold much power over rescue groups and some have found they are heavily penalised if they protest too loudly. You really cant compare what happens in Victoria or even in NSW with what can and does go on in Queensland and Im with Little gifts 100% on this one.

Microchipping has been mandatory in NSW since the mid 90's and up until around 2 years ago loads of registered breeders were not chipping puppies. Now they have to have chip numbers to register them but I hear you can type any old chip number in and there is no way of checking whether its really the chip number for the rego papers or not because they have no access to the NSW companion animals chip registry - and even if they did sometimes it takes weeks for the vets to pass on details and for it all to be entered into the data base and most wouldn't be recorded for checking at time of registering the litter. Don't assume that because a dog isn't chipped you can know where or where not it came from.

Mine also, which is why I was very surprised at the NSW CA taskforce recommending an exemption from the licensing proposals for "accidental" litters. As a piece of policy, that seemed designed to ensure that we always have a supply of unwanted back yard bred dogs. True - my point about the 10% is that it would be in context to what is bred by which group - around here hands down it would be people who just let their dog do as it wants and kelpie crosses are everywhere - none chipped. But out here those who do let their working dogs get into each other dont have to chip as they have an exemption.

Its normal to pay people extra money based on the job they do hard to see why this would be considered any different.

The truth of it is that dogs without owners come from everywhere. Ive been breeding registered dogs now for around 40 years and I like to think I can bring down the risks by educating the buyer,screening them,providing the healthiest, best temperamented,well socialised and most predictable dogs possible, being there for them for a safety net to help and advise and take the dogs back for years into the future etc but sadly no matter what, no matter how much you put in and how hard you try a percentage of people who take home a puppy turn out to be people who dump their dogs. You will see more coming from places which put out a higher percentage of puppies bred but in my opinion no matter where they come from and no matter what you do to try to cut down the risk factors some end up in homes which no longer wish to live with them - so because you see about 10% of all puppies born come from registered breeders I would expect about 10% of dogs which end up homeless are registered pure bred dogs. Some will end up in rescue, some in pounds, some will be rehomed by the owners and some returned to the breeder. We see lots of us trying to define why one group or another may have a higher percentage of dis satisfied owners or problem dogs and the spin tells us pet shops put em out to anyone, that they are less well socialised and impulse buys etc so therefore there are more coming form pet shops but last time I looked the stats don't back that up.The marketing of purebred dogs tells us that what we do cuts back risk factors and Id like to think that what I do and knock myself out over has some impact on whether dogs and their owners will live happily ever after so I stay focused on what I think I can do for my dogs to keep them healthy and happy, in my breeding program, placement of puppies, and follow up to try to get it right so what I breed doesn't end up homeless. But if you do this long enough no matter what, no matter how hard you try and give sometimes owners let you down. Because one group has less owners than another I expect to see less numbers coming from that group but I believe the big picture is about where they go not where they come from. The way society views dogs and how many see them as expendable and easily disposed of or replaced etc impacts as well as the day to day life changes that mean people cant keep their commitment and obligations to the dog, are all things none of us can predict and which see dogs not having a family to live with. When you talk about problem dogs as in poor temperament and where do they come from thats about the breeding and selection more than where they go to live and therefore the group which is being more careful about what dog mates with what dog and looking at great temperaments and predictability in the present generation and for the future will produce less problem dogs. The group that is most likely to breed problem dogs are in my opinion probably back yard breeders.

Looks good to me.

I just don't know how they got my number, it's nowhere on the internet. Is it possible numbers were sold on a pet or rescue related list? The phone company you are with can now sell your mobile number to them. I was warned about it before it came in and went and added the 4 mobiles which are in my name to the do not call register but the charity ones are still having a go.

A whois search didn't reveal a name I recognise. And I can't reply to the message because it hasn't got a number so I might have to email to unsubscribe but would prefer not to go on a mailing list. Is anyone familiar with this service site? http://seekpets.com.au/ As of the 1st of August they are able to use your mobile as they have for land lines - telemarketing etc . You can block it but charities have an exemption and can harass the hell out of you anyway.

Its not unreasonable for a health guarantee for basic good health for a limited period of time after the dog goes home or for something longer term that the breeder should or could test for which has a definite DNA test and gives the status of the parents but it isn't possible for anyone to be able to predict how long a living being can remain healthy and not show something into the future that no one could have anticipated. Its certainly unfair to expect a breeder to be held responsible for things far into the future which are polygenic and impacted by environment, chemicals, feeding,exercise,stress etc.

If I have two or three [Maremma] in a paddock they will chase them to what they see as the end of their boundary whilst one stays back to look after the sheep. They wont go through over or under fences to keep chasing but they will definitely go as far as they see is their area. I agree its not about numbers because the sheep all move as one and go where the dog says to go and stay there - no matter how many you have - still not sure how the dog gets them to do that because its not a mad panic or the dog threatening them to move etc. Its like they speak the same language. It is definitely about predator type and load in my opinion. The sheep can be spread out pretty well one minute and as soon as the dog says get here they magically bunch up into a safe spot. Awesome! We often sit and watch them and talk about how they appear to bundy on and off when there is no threat - reminds me of that old disney cartoon with the sheep dog and the dogs clocked on and off at shift change.

Has not happened for several years because main importer stopped doing it Curious about Victorian purebred breeder allegedly exporting big numbers...............the number of export permits granted monthly by Dogs Victoria is quite small, often less than 10 a month.............of course these alleged purebred exports may not be ANKC registered dogs at all ................... They are simply leaving with or without a registered pedigree and not an export certificate. Only those registries in countries who have cut deals and are part of the FCI care about export certificates handed out via the ANKC and someone wanting a pet isnt interested anyway in whether the dog has been transferred to them on the Australian registry. AQIS dont require an ANKC export certificate issued by the ANKC to move a dog.If you think Vicdog breeders are only breeding ANKC registered dogs thats not true either. Many are Vicdogs members and dont own a registered dog and have never registered a litter - prime example is one very high profile commercial breeder who has been a Vicdogs members for over a decade and produces a constant supply of pet puppies purebred but not registered] and has never once registered a litter. Am aware of the issues but it is still legal to breed and/or export dogs in Australia. Think you misunderstood my intent but not to worry. Sorry Dragonwoman hope you dont think I was having a go at you - definitely wasnt .I agree with you that we should challenge what the truth of it all is and because of where the original report came from Ive no doubt it is sensationalised and exaggerated but the breeder I have spotted is definitely Vicdogs - whether they are actually registering these pups before they send them over there Im unaware of - hard to understand why they would do it to be honest unless the money they are getting per pup is way,way over what they would get here. None of it makes sense to me .When it was all going on with Mcdougall I sort of understood why it was happening especially as it was endorsed by the CCs but this is different and needs further investigation for me to understand why this appeals to them- and whether they register them etc. No point in yelling about the shame of it - its a free country and unlikely to stop anything - just generates more publicity and more donations for Oscars Law and the like but now Im curious about what the reward is for a breeder doing this - why they see this as preferable to simply selling pets in Australia.That to me may lead us to being able to find a path to making it less attractive. Bit more going on too I think and animal transport companies need to be looked at too. Last time I looked 12 week old Lab puppies didnt fit in the palm of a large hand - wouldn't surprise me if they were going out with incorrect dates of birth on them. Need to follow the money.

If you sell a puppy to someone on limited register and they take it overseas how does Dogs NSW or you know about that or control that ? The idea that everyone who owns or breeds dogs that go into other countries as pets HAVING to have an export certificate issued by a CC is wishful thinking. Bit like what comes first really isnt it? Is it me exporting it if Ive sold it to someone who lives overseas or is it them? This is how they beat the CC ruling that pups have to be 12 weeks before export .When McDougall was still around the breeders were selling pups to the PIAA agent and then the new owner exported them at 8 weeks.

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Maremmas work as a team and do this - no need to have different breeds working together . One in a paddock with its herd works completely differently if you bring in one or two more .In the 20 plus years Ive been breeding them I have never seen a dead fox or a dead wild dog but Ive never seen any on my property either - whilst my neighbours have every second lamb taken during lambing. Pre dogs we lost over 100 lambs in one season - never lost one since. Not one.