Lhok

Traditional principles of property rights include: 1. control of the use of the property 2. the right to any benefit from the property (examples: mining rights and rent) 3. a right to transfer or sell the property 4. a right to exclude others from the property. So when the ALV states: "TO ABOLISH THE PROPERTY STATUS OF ANIMALS Animal Liberation Victoria endorses an animal rights position which maintains that all sentient beings, regardless of species, have the right to be treated as independent entities, and not as the property of others." The potential implications of this statement alone could have massive wide reaching effects, due to the fact that when you stop using the term property to apply to animals you lose all of the traditional principles of property rights. Which includes breeding dogs. --Lhok

Pulled from the Animal Liberation of Australia website (http://animal-lib.org.au/about-us/who-we-are.html) : "Animal Liberation believes all animals (yes humans are animals too) have a right to live how they would normally choose without other species intervention." --Lhok ALV is Animal Liberation Victoria, not Australia. Which is from what I can see the Victorian branch of Animal Liberation Australia. --Lhok

Pulled from the Animal Liberation of Australia website (http://animal-lib.org.au/about-us/who-we-are.html) : "Animal Liberation believes all animals (yes humans are animals too) have a right to live how they would normally choose without other species intervention." --Lhok

Ok. Looks like I stand. "Erny's Law". Three in one. Puppy farms; PPCollars; BSL. . Sorry for the OT. Just dreamin'. Erny I'd vote for that --Lhok

A good chunk of my posts have this post was edited on the bottom of them due to spelling errors, problem is I find my mistakes I then go to edit them. However when I put the post back up I realize I have made several more --Lhok Edit: For spelling and to make my sentence actually make sense .. Sigh

I still am not sure this will work guys I mean you can change the law all you want make people aware of what is going on but in the end you are still dealing with humans. The very nature of humans is fickle and deceptive and I really doubt that any law you change or enforce will stop humans from doing what they want. The whole "it won't happen to me" or "I can do what I want and you can't tell me not to" mentality. As for responsible breeders being exempt because if they are doing everything right they have nothing to fear, they have everything to fear because it is their homes and lives that can and will be changed when they get home searched. Maybe the people who do the home search find nothing but that is a big black mark in other people's minds about that person and that alone can cause problems. Not to mention that you will be monitored afterwards regardless of being cleared. Another thing I still haven't found out is what exactly is a puppy farmer? My definition could be entirely different to yours for example my definition of a puppy farmer is one who has not got the welfare of the dogs at heart, has too many dogs then they can possibly manage (and everyone is different so it is case by case), breeds for the sake of breeding and profit and when they sell puppies they go for who ever can provide the money they are asking. --Lhok

Woo Hoo.. I have been reading this thread and hoping for you that it would all come good Congrats on your little guy ;) Now bring on the photos --Lhok

I sort of wish I could go to the rally, to see first hand what it is that is being said. Anyone who knows the story of Troy (written by Homer not the Forum master ) would be wise to always look a gift horse in the mouth. --Lhok

Not to rain on the parade or anything I don't like puppy farms and would love them to be stopped I'm just concerned that if there is a huge turn out for this, won't the RSPCA just use it to further their campaign against breeders of dogs as a whole? --Lhok

I live in a coastal country town and there are heaps of these oodly doodly dogs. It is pretty much all the only pet shop in town stocks. We have an RSPCA but hardly anyone goes there to look for a dog which is quite depressing. I would love it if some how there would be a meet and greet the breeds to come to my town, as the dog shows I have been to here the people are a bit hit and miss in welcoming people's questions. Also from working in the most of the vet clinics around my town when people would ask about getting a new dog if I wasn't there most of the vet nurses would push the designer dogs as they had no idea about other dogs which could have filled the role like a Lagotto or PWD. Education is the key...However I am doing my head in as to how I get started in my local area. --Lhok

didn't they already have a program like this before? I think it was called SPOT or something? --Lhok

I saw the video and I looked through her facebook. It is disturbing to say the least, I also suffer from depression and anxiety but I could never hurt an animal let alone what she says and what did to those puppies. I also grew up around people affected by a war, one of my grandmothers is Jewish the other suffered greatly when her cousins were killed in the Cowra outbreak, yet I do not and could not bring myself to harm an animal. She had a choice not to do that... She chose to do what she did. I believe that she did it full knowing what she was doing is wrong. There is no real hope of rehabilitating someone like that, it is sad that people can do those things but the apology video was just an easy way out she was caught out and didn't want to face the consequences of her actions so she posted an apology and went so far as to say it was her grandma's fault for making her do it. The world is a sad one that's for sure. --Lhok

I havent ferretted since I was a kid but back then if you had a ferret which killed in the burrow you could actualy muzzle it,the main reason being that they tended to take a nap after a feed and you had to dig them out. I didn't know it was now illegal, when did this come about? the only thing I knew was you can't keep them in some states. I can only go off what my grandfather says so please don't quote it as absolutely true. However apparently it is illegal to course game unless you have a permit. No idea how to get a permit or anything. --Lhok

My grandfather raises his own rabbits for his and his dogs food. He has been doing it for years. I've watched him kill them before, it was always a quick snap of the neck then he would quickly skin and cut the neck so that the blood could drain out apparently having the blood in the meat makes it sour or something (trying to make sense of his ramblings is hard these days). He also tans the skins and if he is going to eat the meat his dogs get the offal so nothing is wasted. --Lhok Also I can't recommend Ferreting (this is before I knew it was illegal) the noise of the screaming rabbits is horrifying.

Thanks for that Spottychick Will discuss this with the parental this weekend, the old girl in question loves pats and cuddles... just hates blankets once again thanks and congrats on your success with Tango --Lhok

Fantastic Tango looks as snug as a bug! How'd you manage that? My parents have an aging dog that won't allow blankets to be tucked around her for warmth. Would love some tips that I could show them. --Lhok

Sabine is a french name that is lovely ^^ Also the name of Milady D'Winter from the 3 musketeers --Lhok

I don't think aloof dogs are more likely to bite then others. and from what I found when I asked google to define the word aloof this is what came up, on dictionary.com Aloof: –adverb 1. at a distance, esp. in feeling or interest; apart: They always stood aloof from their classmates. –adjective 2. reserved or reticent; indifferent; disinterested: Because of his shyness, he had the reputation of being aloof. It all depends on what you look for in a breed. I prefer dogs who are aloof but that alone is my preference. In Rottweilers since they were bred to be originally guard dogs it would be a strange to have a over friendly one, but I suppose it all comes down to personal preference and what you want the dog to do. --Lhok

Tlc your doggies are wonderful ^_^ Although in my mind's eye I can see them wearing monocles and top hats :D --Lhok

As a kid growing up my grandfather had a corgi, he would come every where with us and was quite knock around loved swimming and keeping up with our horses. Lovely dog but at the end of the day he would come inside and sleep by the back door in the laundry as he didn't like to be left outside. But maybe a corgi? would be ok in the situation --Lhok

Not all the time, a book I read about the Vietnam dogs called "Trackers" said that the dogs they couldn't bring home were given homes with consulate staff ^_^ --Lhok

next client unless there is another one

Congrats Sorry I didn't get a chance to meet you at the show, went on Friday and just missed you and then I was horribly sick on sat and sun. --Lhok

Ack!! I have been found out you would have to come anyway I want corgi cuddles --Lhok

Behind a cargo barrier in a crate secured to the cargo catches on the floor in the back. --Lhok