TheCheekyMonster

not at all :) I like to read haha

ow no way!!? I head it was at box beach I think but didnt know they were there too (pretty stupid of me to think that as they are pretty much next to eachother) well I shall keep that in mind next time we are up there!! lol I thought it was too good to be true!! hahah. Perfect beach, perfect sand, perfect weather something had to give.

TCM, there is nothing wrong with wanting to let him to play with other dogs if this is what you want, but as you've mentioned previously in the thread that his value for other dogs exceeds his value for you and the rewards you offer I'd be rethinking allowing him to learn other dogs are of a high value. Why put some more work into teaching him to play with you when other dogs are around instead of letting him learn when you go to the park, other dogs are the number one most valuable thing out there and his number one reward? If you don't care if he can be obedient when other dogs are around then it doesn't matter, but if you want him to be more reliable it's something to think about. I'm not teaching him dogs are higher value, but other dogs do have a value for him .... but if i walk away from him he is next to me in a heart beat without me saying a word... so can I assume that means he values me more than the other dogs? I have the food, food is his number 1. Your words were 'why would I not reward that with something he regards a high value?'. I was just responding to that :) Earlier in the thread you were asking about why he'd leave a game with you to go and play with other dogs. If he never chooses to play with other dogs over obeying you and you don't see any room for improvement in his behaviour or obedience, then you have nothing to worry about. I wouldn't use other dogs as a reward if my dog already had a high value for them, I think it's a bit counter productive for the overall goal. this is true, sorry I didnt really describe the value properly... he does value dogs on a level,,,,, but food and me are before that 95% of the time and I guess I want to get that to 99% of the time so TOT and NILIF should help with that.

Thats pretty darn awesome!!...... OH thought it was so surreal, he had never seen anything like it, I cant wait till the summer!

TCM, there is nothing wrong with wanting to let him to play with other dogs if this is what you want, but as you've mentioned previously in the thread that his value for other dogs exceeds his value for you and the rewards you offer I'd be rethinking allowing him to learn other dogs are of a high value. Why put some more work into teaching him to play with you when other dogs are around instead of letting him learn when you go to the park, other dogs are the number one most valuable thing out there and his number one reward? If you don't care if he can be obedient when other dogs are around then it doesn't matter, but if you want him to be more reliable it's something to think about. I'm not teaching him dogs are higher value, but other dogs do have a value for him .... but if i walk away from him he is next to me in a heart beat without me saying a word... so can I assume that means he values me more than the other dogs? I have the food, food is his number 1.

The only valid qualifications I am aware of is a veterinary behaviourist, that's not me, experience training 38 years........what comments are you referring to here??

Went to Bagnall Beach today :) was very nice!!, we also went to wreck beach as my house is up the road from there and OW MY GOD it took my breath away.... its not off lead but no one was there so we let them go and they had an absolute blast!! cant wait to go up again.... also we were at the main shops in Nelsons Bay and a Dolphin came up to the wharf to say hello !! :) annnddd I met my first Akita named Hutch he was AWESOME!!

nope, I like my dog to play with other dogs m-sass but behaving and making sure he is in tune with me and listening to what I ask of him is something that is important for me and sure why would I not reward that with something he regards a high value? other dogs are a high value reward for him and if I can use that to my advantage why not? If he breaks a sit or stay he will go back on lead till he is ready to behave again... and I must say he has not mounted since I have been asking more of him before letting him free.

he sells dog armour and I have seen idiots go in there saying how their dogs need protection because they fight them and he fits them for the armour (IMO this promotes dog fights) but how do you report it? just tell the cops to rock up and sus it out...

pfft i've seen the most disgusting things at parklea markets including a stall that promotes dog fighting the skum bag!

ow awesome! hopefully ill see you guys around and thank you for the heads up! haha :)

My house up there is FINALLY ready :) so we are going up with the dogs for the weekend, can anyone suggest some good human and dog beaches?? preferably hidden away ones!!

Yeap I ordered them from the ebay seller THANK YOU!!!! im so excited they are so freaking cute!!!

Yeah, he's a bit of a dork :D but we love him all the more for it! He would make my day every day if that was a response to food offered! lol

THANK YOU!! I did try amazon but they wont ship it to AUS

thank you

Does anyone know where i can get these from!!!! they are pretty awesome but I amazon wont ship it to me and I'm not sure where else I can get them... google is not my friend.

:rofl: :rofl:

I also saw a shar pei in a pet shop, it was there for 4- 6 months, its fur was so bad had bald patches and its nails were starting to curl under, it was $1600 and they would not drop the price.

I would think a few reasons, but mainly uneducated and convenience

Lol, a client of ours was going on about their cavoodle.... I asked how much they paid for her $1800!!!!!! i was like you paid that much money for a mutt!!

Just watched it my god that is horrid, what heartless twats!

what number episode is this?

I think where people go wrong is that EVERY interaction with other dogs is free play. There's no balance applied. I see such dogs at the dog club, coming late into obedience. Their owners have interpreted the "socialise your puppy" message as taking them to the dog park every day and letting them just go for it. And surprise surprise all the dogs want to do when they see other dogs is run around and play like mad things. They've often been roughhoused and many have rough, inappropriate play styles for a lot of other dogs. And as for correcting a dog for defending itself from a bite?? Ah, no. I suggest in such situations that handlers apply a harsh correction to THEMSELVES for putting their dogs in a situation where they felt compelled to do so. I know I"m risk averse but I read posts here about mounting and scuffles being all part of every day visits to the dog park and I shudder. It certainly reinforces my view to stay out of them when ever other dogs are present. And to the OP, yes I would be concerned. Your dog is maturing, is clearly becoming less submissive/tolerant and now needs you to be more discerning about the sorts of dogs he socialises with. Heed the warning he's given you. This is the first time I have ever seen such a reaction, We do flyball, show training and will be starting agility.... Gus does sometimes want to go meet the other dogs, but when we are training we are training, so he does know what is play and what is work when in a particular environment. I am learning what this reaction is and how it is triggered because it has not happened since, the mounting is a new thing and I am only as good as the knowledge I seek, so now I have had some pretty good suggestions from here I will be putting them into practice. And I do not let my dog "go for it" he has to sit and wait before he can play, mounting is part of his current visits, scuffles no.... there has never been anything serious but there has been an establishment of hierarchy and I think that is perfectly normal is it not? there is no such thing as an "equal dog" from what I have gathered and yes wuffles my dog is a pet first and foremost!! I love seeing him to play with other dogs after all a trip to the dog park is only a weekend event if a dog cant let off some steam with a like species, I think thats sad

m-mass what expertise/qualification do you have to be making such comments about dog behaviour, aggression and training?