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I tried to get his name, and he wouldn't oblige, I didn't have phone or camera, I have reported the incident. They often wont give a name. Good on you for reporting him though!! Thanks Jed, I obviously only reported the daly x incident as the GSD was not a big deal and the owner quickly got her dog under control - even if she was a bit uppity LOL. To my mind the GSD incident was such a small thing that only became a mild issue when she blamed me for my dog being on-lead LOL

Thanks hankdog, I will certainly be mentioning it to the trainer this arvo even though I will be somewhat embarrassed that I did so.

I have the utmost respect for Steve, but 100% is a big call- there are very few things in life that can truly be 100% guaranteed. A rabbit or a cat might just be too tempting for the best trained Husky 100% of the time and at every place. I do believe that very good recall can be taught to any breed but 100% seems improbable to me :) Dunno. I happy to be proven wrong though. To me 100% means the dog comes every time I call, the first time I call under any distraction. I don't see prey drive as as barrier to developing a reliable recall. I've never seen a dog with more prey drive than ours, but they will recall mid-chase from live prey. It is definitely possible! :) I am not closed minded about this, but definitely have reservations. I do not doubt the prey drive of a Mal, but surely they must have a degree of biddability or they wouldn't be used in so many professional police and military services?? High prey drive, inherited lust to run long and hard, low biddability, low food desire are some of the traits of most huskies, surely these combinations make 100% recall, 100% of the time a false sense of security? I am not trying to be obtuse, rather, I am trying to get my head around the big picture :) I don't believe that every human can be trained to do any thing, why is the possible that every dog can be trained to do any particular thing? So I suppose this is why the use of 100% doesn't sit comfortable with my thought process. I also have in the back of mind a chap that would also claim his well trained Huskies had excellent recall all of the time, right up the day he didn't and was killed by a car

I tried to get his name, and he wouldn't oblige, I didn't have phone or camera, I have reported the incident.

I have the utmost respect for Steve, but 100% is a big call- there are very few things in life that can truly be 100% guaranteed. A rabbit or a cat might just be too tempting for the best trained Husky 100% of the time and at every place. I do believe that very good recall can be taught to any breed but 100% seems improbable to me :) Dunno. I happy to be proven wrong though.

I agree that on-lead do seem to attract the aggro off-lead ones. I do not believe that Huskies can have 100% recall all of the time. As a member of a huge husky forum many well and professionally trained huskies can have perfect recall up until the time they don't, and this normally equates to a dead husky. I do intent to try and teach 'perfect' recall with my trainer, but I will never ever rely on this. Regarding the bike, to exercise, I fully intend to run him, but he is too young for this until he is between 12 and 18 months. He will be trained to dry land mush when his body and joints are fully developed and the time is right, which is another reason I need to be careful with developing a good temperament.

I am not sure how allowing a large dog to bolt at a puppy, then snap, growl bite down and pull, helps build a better dog citizen (for lack of a better term)?? All this incident has done has caused fear and pain. It wont be long and my dog will be around 30kg with a massive pulling force and very powerful. These types of events do not shape a confident and robust temperament from my understanding. Sure, if one wanted to develop an aggressive fighting dog then yes by all means subject the dog to constant attacks until he will attack first out of self preservation. I have no intention of wrapping my dog in cotton wool and am working with a trainer to help my dog be the best he can be, I will be talking to her about the incident at our session this arvo knowing full well that I should never have put my puppy in this situation. My previous dog experiences (some 45 years) probably would made me think similar to what you have posted. Now it doesn't. What my experience has taught me is that I don't know everything. The forum has shown me that several of my "definite" opinions on certain matters may actually not be the only way or even correct. I am happy to hear all opinions now, before making an informed decision, whether it be food and nutrition, health or training. In this instance I doubt I will be following your logic posted above as I don't think it will benefit my puppy.

Thanks for your comments Hankodie. So, anyway, we just went for our afternoon walk and headed toward the little "strictly on lead only" park and sure enough there was a woman their with her kids and 2 off lead dogs! F^&^#^ing hell! So we just walked on by, I couldn't deal with another drama 2 nights running. Ya know, I used to read these type of threads and it has been only a year after my dog of 14 years was PTS from age related conditions. I used to think - "I don't know what all the fuss is about, I have never had a problem in that time". Now I am having the same issues of frustration, anger and despair at the general dog owning public that many here experience. Such is life I suppose?

Thanks TT, It wasn't Yokine, but I live right next to Yokine, which is the one you are referring to as I wouldn't mine checking it out ? This one was Les Lillyman reserve in North Perth This one is very close to Les Lillyman - about 2 mins away! It's called Yokine Reserve and is huge - pretty much four multi use fields (sports and on the weekend model aircraft) with a path around them all. There is also supposedly a fenced in dog park near by (city of Stirling may have it on web page) but no one seems to know about it so I doubt it'll be busy. Maybe you'll get the place to yourself :) Thanks TT, I think I know the one you are talking about, just didn't know the name. It is quite funny you say no one seems to know because I was in City of Stirling a few weeks ago paying Ronin's rego and I asked if there was any fenced in dog parks in Stirling and she said there weren't and then added, wouldn't that be dangerous for the dogs to be fenced in? Maybe I will explore this further, please let me know if you hear any more about it. I just checked the Stirling website and it's on there (lol - guess the lady you spoke to doesn't usually work on the dog area ; p) http://www.stirling.wa.gov.au/resident/services/animals-and-pets/dogs/pages/dog-exercise-areas-and-beaches.aspx Bewdy, thanks for that! I will check it out solo and see what its like for sometime in the future hopefully.

Thanks TT, It wasn't Yokine, but I live right next to Yokine, which is the one you are referring to as I wouldn't mine checking it out ? This one was Les Lillyman reserve in North Perth This one is very close to Les Lillyman - about 2 mins away! It's called Yokine Reserve and is huge - pretty much four multi use fields (sports and on the weekend model aircraft) with a path around them all. There is also supposedly a fenced in dog park near by (city of Stirling may have it on web page) but no one seems to know about it so I doubt it'll be busy. Maybe you'll get the place to yourself :) Thanks TT, I think I know the one you are talking about, just didn't know the name. It is quite funny you say no one seems to know because I was in City of Stirling a few weeks ago paying Ronin's rego and I asked if there was any fenced in dog parks in Stirling and she said there weren't and then added, wouldn't that be dangerous for the dogs to be fenced in? Maybe I will explore this further, please let me know if you hear any more about it.

I hear ya Hazy, Ya know a simple apology from people like these when they are in the wrong would go a long way. I would be mortified if my dog was the offender. When the one in the wrong starts up or get abusive it is insult to injury and definitely a red rag to me. Oh for sure but apologies are far and few between, it apparently becomes all our fault I had a guy a while ago who's SWF (and I'm not bashing small breeds, we've been rushed by all sorts) who after his dog bolted across the oval to snarl and have several nips at my greys legs before he FINALLY caught up with it yell at ME and say "why would you own those sort of dogs that want to kill everything?" WTF, I said "mate, put your dog on a lead it's not hard". Of course my blood pressure was rising fast as he chased this snarling little dog around in circles until he finally caught it and then I find out he didn't even have a lead! He just let it out of the car and off it went. He then told me he was reporting us, yeah go your hardest mate, honestly you can't put brains in statues. oh now, that is one that would burst my piston for sure.

Thanks RiverStar, Yeah, I keep thinking of things I could or should have done, but it happened so fast. My 17 week old in nearly 15kg, which I could pick up, but not super fast :) Having a Husky off lead in a non-enclosed area is not really an option so I suppose on-lead means that he can be more of a target which is a shame but, it is what it is. There is a little fenced in strictly on lead that we can go to. I have seen the odd off lead dog there but it is pretty safe. When I taking Ronin for a 5:30am walk, I let him have a run around, but I stay near the gate so I can immediately leash him if someone comes by. At 5;30 there is no one there though, except for Tues morning when an old chap does Tai Chi, so we just walk on by and leave him to his peace LOL. At other times 7.00am onwards he is always on lead even if no one is in this little park.

Thanks TT, It wasn't Yokine, but I live right next to Yokine, which is the one you are referring to as I wouldn't mine checking it out ? This one was Les Lillyman reserve in North Perth

I hear ya Hazy, Ya know a simple apology from people like these when they are in the wrong would go a long way. I would be mortified if my dog was the offender. When the one in the wrong starts up or get abusive it is insult to injury and definitely a red rag to me.

THanks T Yep, that is what I will do I think.

Thanks Rosetta You are 100% right, I should have know better but thought socialisation would benefit Ronin, I made an error in judgement that I hope don't come back to haunt us It is so difficult to find a safe way to socialise and exercise our dogs when there are so many morons about This does seem to be the case Thanks Dave Sorry to hear that you have had those bad incidents. Thanks for the support Airedaler. I will look at alternative methods to continue socialisation. He has been to puppy school, and we are 2 weeks into a 4 private session private training. I will probably look at some more group stuff after that. Thanks Staffyluv, I appreciate your comments. It is ironic that one of the only decent people and the one that cared about the incident was the woman with the staffy. I mean this only as they and their owners are much maligned by the general public.

Thanks Rosetta You are 100% right, I should have know better but thought socialisation would benefit Ronin, I made an error in judgement that I hope don't come back to haunt us

Further to story... I have reported the incident to the council rangers with a good visual description but little else. They have my contact details and it wouldn't be hard for me to find the 'staffy girl' again to corroborate my statement if the rangers need it. I really don't expect anything to be done but Khok essentially said, if no one reports these incidents, then nothing will ever happen to make things safer for everyone.

Yeah, I did step in between but he was quick to get behind me and attack. Sorry to hear of your dog being attacked resulting in veterinary treatment

Thanks for your comments Lhok, I pressed him for his name, but obviously he didn't give it to me. I told him that I was going to report him, but honestly I don't think there is anything to do, as my description could only be something like "Middle aged rough looking bloke about six foot, scruffy F-wad with a bad attitude and a daly cross" No proof, and I didn't get the staffy girls' number as I didn't see any open wounds and I was still pretty amped up at the time. Dunno if that is enough of a description to use for a report? :D Thanks for your support Trinabean. Yeah, I think I will just have to be more careful and at least stay away from potential hazards at least until he is fully grown, even then I am thinking it is not worth the stress. I am north so we had a good morning at Pearsholm Beach between Scarborough beach and Floreat beach.

Yes, you are right.. BTW this is a sports/ rec park as well and sounds just like yours... the council has the same laws that dogs must be under control at all times. As I mentioned I had been there for 11 years walking my previous dog there daily.

I will probably get flamed but here is my story from last night... After a nice morning at the dog beach I decided to take Ronin - my 17 week Husky puppy to a local park. It is an off leash park, but Ronin was obviously on leash - I know this is a face-palm opening sentence. So we are walking around and Ronin meets a nice little dog and was good with him. despite Ronin still learning manners as he often will jump up. He didn't so all good. Next we come across a German Shepherd off leash (which is fine as it is an off leash park and I love GSDs) Ronin wants to say hello and is about 5 meters away but the GSD charges and was quite aggressive, luckily the owner was close by and grabbed her dog. She asked if he was okay and I said he was. She then said "oh, I think the problem is that your dog is on leash!" Hmmm, while this behaviour is not uncommon I was not impressed with her snapping at me. I responded calmly stating, if you can't control your dog, he needs to be on leash. She then shouted at me saying "You don't need to be rude! - He never does that normally, and it IS an off leash park" I calmly responded that the law states that even in an off-leash park you must have control of your dog at all times, and the 'he never does it' is an excuse most owners say after their dog attacks. After that we just walked away to a quiet corner of the large football oval sized park. So we are getting ready to go and I see this dalmatian x ( I am not sure of breed but it had making like a daly although they were brown in colour and the ears looked more greyhound - not that it is really an issue) start bolting towards us at considerable speed. I move in between the approaching dog and it quickly moves behind me and attacks Ronin, this was not playing, it snapped and growled and bit down on Ronin's flank and pulled him back not letting go. Ronin was screaming, so I moved in and yelled at the dog and broke off the contact. Ronin lay on the ground yelping. I immediately checked for would expecting to see a tear or blood. I stood up and yelled out "WHO'S DOG IS THIS!?" and a bloke about 150 yards away, yells back "MINE... WHAT'S YOUR BLOODY PROBLEM!" We approached each other (my 6 year old daughter was with me and pretty shocked) I was furious, my blood was boiling and I just saw red. This guy said - "he is just playing which incensed me further and to which I said he bloody well bit my dog! He fatly said he didn't bite... I said are you serious I was right there, how could you not see that. By this time I was ready to belt him, but luckily my daughter was there and I had no one to hold Ronin. So we just had a face off where I abused the crap out of him as he wouldn't accept that his dog had bitten Ronin nor did he care or apologise. I was livid and pointed in his face and told him to F-off in no uncertain terms. He just backed away and told me to take a chill pill, which certainly did nothing to calm me. He walked off with his dog now on lead, and I attended Ronin and my daughter who both were quite shaken up. I couldn't find any blood on Ronin but there was the dogs slobber and it was tender to touch and the double coat no doubt protected him somewhat. A lady then came up to me with a staffy on leash and asked if he was alright? I was still pumping with adrenaline but was trying to clam down for my daughter and Ronin's sake. The staffy owner said that she would be happy to be a witness and that it was not playing from her point of view. I apologised for going berserk in public, to which she was in complete understanding and very nice to us. We went home and I was still coming off the adrenaline pump. I felt terrible that I had put Ronin in this position, and terrible that my daughter witnessed me react so aggressively and swearing. My daughter was very angry and shouted at the man, and I was in a bit of a red-haze so I didn't realise until we got home and she started crying to her mum. I feel responsible insofar as I could have avoided it by simply not going to this park and am still upset by the incident although this is a park I took my last dog to for 11 years without incident. I should have known better and foreseen the potential for a problem. ...rant off.

My Husky is on TOTW and I think it is very good. He is growing big but vet has commented that he is in perfect condition and his joints are all good. He said that whatever I am doing...keep doing it. He also gets some low fat human mince, chicken hearts or frozen chicken necks as advised by the breeder. I have always been anti-mixing raw and kibble, but decided to put complete trust in the breeder and I have seen no tummy upsets or diarrhea at any stage, which is surprising as Huskies can have quite sensitive stomachs.

Beautiful!