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  1. I get them with some regularity. Less so, now. It's usually the dog who suffers. I don't see them but then I am not looking for them either and I rarely watch the show. I used to watch it and I used to like it I do know better now :) Exactly.. I don't particularly like the way he does things but he obviously is reasonably successful at what he does and has great promotion. I would never try to do what he does if confronted by a dog that wasn't happy to see me.. I am also surprised we don't hear more about people trying his techniques and getting hurt. It's not hard through aversives for a weak dog reacting out of insecurity to fear the handler and avoid correction and seemingly appear fixed. When dealing with harder dogs reacting from social aggression, Cesar often gets bitten.....there are a few videos I have seen cut short as the dog comes back at him......the next shot of the dog is laying on the ground and Cesar stroking it.....possibly coming out of a choke out more than likely. There was one with a Wolf X GSD where the camera stopped filming just as he began to hang the dog up.....what they do is hang the dog up until it passes out from lack of air.....something they wouldn't show on camera......it was on old school fix for handler aggression in the Koehler/Most/Monks of New Skete training era which incorporated alpha rolls and the like. I rarely watch the show - I could probably count on one hand the amount of his shows I have seen in the last couple of years. I did watch it when it first started and back then, I thought he was OK and doing 'good' by helping people and their dogs. He definitely helps some people and their dogs. It isn't the way I would like to see my dog 'fixed' if he had issues like some that CM deals with though. I guess being bitten comes with the territory, you are going to work with dogs, there is a chance of being bitten at some point - my vet has told me how many times he has been bitten. I am not a believer of dog whisperers and calm energy BS and watching some of his shows you can see exactly what he is doing to gain the desired behaviour, but it's cleverly done on camera to appear something that it's not. I laugh when out of the goodness of his heart uses "his" leash which is a slip leash......that is he can't apply an air block discretely with fixed collar and standard leash that the owner had on the dog :laugh:
  2. It's best to expose a puppy to as many new experiences as possible, but most importantly remove the pup from anything creating fear...pushing a puppy through things causing fear is the main component of socialisation that does more harm than good. Puppy schools are notorious for that when not run properly......free for all's where dominant pups are frightening weaker pups is a good recipe for dog aggression in maturity.......if the pup is having fun great.....if the pup is apprehensive or going into flight, don't push it, the puppy in their own time will gain confidence. People gushing over a puppy too much causes handler focus problems down the track....dogs that want to run to everyone for a pat and play with great enthusiasm. Socialisation albeit is a good thing, it's more directed towards pups with temperament and nerve deficiencies to help suppress poor behaviour in adulthood. Pups of genetic quality in temperament and nerve don't need much socialisation to result in well adjusted adults. Contrary to popular belief, poor behaviour said to be resultant from insufficient socialisation is actually a temperament/nerve defect in the dogs genetics.....socialisation helps mask the defects :)
  3. Exactly.. I don't particularly like the way he does things but he obviously is reasonably successful at what he does and has great promotion. I would never try to do what he does if confronted by a dog that wasn't happy to see me.. I am also surprised we don't hear more about people trying his techniques and getting hurt. It's not hard through aversives for a weak dog reacting out of insecurity to fear the handler and avoid correction and seemingly appear fixed. When dealing with harder dogs reacting from social aggression, Cesar often gets bitten.....there are a few videos I have seen cut short as the dog comes back at him......the next shot of the dog is laying on the ground and Cesar stroking it.....possibly coming out of a choke out more than likely. There was one with a Wolf X GSD where the camera stopped filming just as he began to hang the dog up.....what they do is hang the dog up until it passes out from lack of air.....something they wouldn't show on camera......it was on old school fix for handler aggression in the Koehler/Most/Monks of New Skete training era which incorporated alpha rolls and the like.
  4. Thanks for the link, much appreciated
  5. I hope you go after them, and win a shitload of compensation, not just retraction for the lies they tell........... That is all. Best wishes to you and your husband. +1
  6. Wow!!!, please pass our healing thoughts to your husband Kaz and thanks for your post. :) I was envisaging a cover up, a reason the handler gave for why the dog bit an innocent person......my thoughts is the handler dropped the leash and the let the dog go in an apprehension command......the dog then would nail anyone who appeared.......it may have also been the first time the handler was able to release the dog so in a bit of cowboy style "yee harrr' get him boy, the dog's ramped for a bite....sees Kaz's husband and dog thinks "we are on, that's my target" and the dog will take the bite like any other training scenario it's done 100 times before with a decoy and hidden sleeve......hence the "arm bite". Geez, that's bad handling of the dog from sheer incompetence on the handler's part in the circumstances.....the handler would know damn well the dog will bite anyone in that scenario from training alone and I would say in the truth of the matter, the handler has made several breaches of handling protocol that the department needs to be accountable for. The handler MUST be able to abort an apprehension, and to do this, the handler MUST have sight of the dog, in fact the handler should have pulled the dog back in against the leash to heighten drive to hunt, not let him run free ahead and out of sight.....just stupid stuff and I am saddened by the ordeal Kaz's poor husband had to endure Having said that.....the dog may not have bitten a child simply because the dog works to training scenarios where kids are not used a decoys, so a little person is not something the dog has ever been trained to target for a bite, but may bite a child depending on the dog and the drive, still a very dangerous scenario as seen from the injury Kaz's husband received, the dog bites with exceptional force causing severe injury to unprotected limbs. The biting force felt even through a sleeve is more than anyone would imagine, the jaws of a GSD presents incredible clamping force when trained to bite and grip with maximum strength.
  7. I did some training with a young Belgian Malinois not long ago who the owner said was a registered parent litter purchased from a pet shop I asked to see the papers and what the puppy owner showed me was a photocopy of the parents council reg, the bitch was a Malinois and the sire a Dutch Shepherd........parents owned by two different people and addresses in the same council area. What alerted me to something strange is the owner saying the pup's litter mate in the pet shop was a brindle colour.......not in a Malinois litter will there be brindle coloured pups?......this pup looked like a Malinois by colouring. The puppy owner was oblivious to council reg not meaning ANKC registration as we think of in a "registered litter", neither did he notice that the sire was recorded as a Dutchie not a Malinois, but more to the point, how was the pet shop's style promoting this litter as a registered litter of Malinois then producing council reg confirming the litter was a X breed? The owner suggested that the Dutchie sire may have been a Malinois imported from Holland.......he was still convinced what the pet shop told him and provided was right although it was too stupid for words in reality The pup was nice with good working drives and temperament......nothing wrong with the pup at all but the rest was a bit on the nose in the registration and sale process , or was the pet shop that stupid they didn't know themselves what a "registered" litter means?
  8. A couple of threads talking about papers and registration has prompted me to ask this question that recently popped up in conversation: Someone told me through Dogs NSW referring to GSD breedings, that providing parents have been hip and elbow scored, the progeny is registerable, doesn't matter what the scores are as long as they have been x-rayed and scored, meaning a dog with high scores for example a 18-24 hip and 4-4 elbow are acceptable parentage for puppy registration? I had the impression that anything exceeding a 12-12 hip and 2-2 elbow was rejected by the registry as an unhealthy parent and pups to such dogs of high score couldn't be registered? Someone called Dogs Vic a couple of years ago to check if one of my males was scored (dog was still registered in Vic at that stage), they told them he was scored but wouldn't announce the scores?
  9. I think they would have to be pretty old - in the eastern states its been at least 20 years. They sign a COE and agree to abide by that - register all puppies. Umm I am 47yo and when I was a breeder there was no limit registry. I remember a pup I purchased in 1982 from an imported sire litter.....this was a top dollar litter back then and the pups were $250 papered or $200 without papers. There was no limited reg, it was either papered or not and the buyer had the choice as reflected by price. I know of a couple of (old school)breeders who still do this and after the pups are sold, they main reg only the pups people want papers for so they may paper 3 out of the 6 pups born and they don't issue limited reg papers at all. Perhaps not in compliance with the code, but they do it at the request of the buyer. I think it's more that the buyers will ask if non papered provides a discounted price as papers are not of importance to those particular buyers. I guess when talking papered pups costing between $1500/$2000, it's a lot of money and if they can get the pup a bit cheaper, some will go with a non papered option. Is that a bad thing??.......I would certainly recommend a non papered option from a quality litter over a BYB litter if someone asked me what they should buy
  10. A lot of people are scared of GSD's and having owned and worked with the breed for many years, I try to project good control and restraint over my dogs for people who are scared or feeling uneasy to be able to relax a bit. If walking call the dog back into heel position when passing people......sitting in the vets, have the dog sitting with hold of the leash at the collar if someone comes in and looks apprehensive. I think being a breed enthusiast you tend to demonstrate that a good GSD is a well behaved dog that shouldn't illicit fear in a public place. Breeds with aggression history are scary to many people and I think the owners of such breeds have a public obligation to project control and calmness in the breed to reduce fear. I have had a few people say they are scared of GSD's and with a good stable dog, let them pat my dogs and you can see the fear displace which is quite good in those circumstances. I remember my wife having a great game with this dog one day, she was letting the dog lick her face and giving him a good rub and cuddle and she asked the owner what breed he was.....the owner said he's a Pit Bull He was a friendly dog who loved people so from a fear perspective of Pit Bull's my wife had this interaction with a good Pit Bull changed her breed outlook. :)
  11. In our jurisdiction if a dog is impeding police entry, the ranger is called to remove the dog, It's only in a life threatening situation or a high profile apprehension that police could deal with an aggressive dog on someone's property. If police do enter property when knowing there is an aggressive dog present and get bitten, the property owner isn't held accountable if protocol is breached to call the ranger. It's a different story of course if someone sets a dog onto police in attendance. Great result in this case, excellent
  12. A friend of ours got backed into a corner with a bitch on limited reg that the breeder agreed to upgrade to mains when she passed hip and elbow scores. They had her x-rayed and she scored well, breeder was happy and was supposed to be organising the mains upgrade and said to go ahead with their planned mating. The bitch conceived had 7 pups then the bitches breeder changed his mind and wouldn't upgrade to mains. Problem was, nothing was in writing and consequently our friends ended up with an excellent litter of pups that couldn't be registered.
  13. I had a look at a working line GSD a lady had up for rehoming who had failed the Bark Busters training regime and aside from some special food they sold this lady which was complete nonsense in relation to solving the dog's behaviour, what they work on in training with yelling BAHH and throwing chains at the dog are behaviour interrupters which is ok but when the behaviour is interrupted, they don't provide the next step......so you yell BAHH and throw a chain at the dogs feet and the dog stops what he/she's doing, then you need to apply an alternate behaviour at the interruption, but their regime stops at the interrupter That can't work unless the chain throwing is aversive enough and the dog behaves to avoid the aversion.....may work on very soft dogs, or the dog is offered an alternate behaviour when the chain throwing interrupts the unwanted behaviour. It's about as successful as screaming "shut up" from the back door when the dog is barking on the back fence :laugh: This GSD was a young dog and a nutcase on leash and the lady couldn't walk it......she couldn't get the dog out the front door ramped up in excitement of going for a walk, he would pull her off her feet (she was a small woman about 50kgs) and yelling BAHH and throwing chains at him ramped him up higher!!. Ok....so does he like balls.....yep loves chasing and retrieving balls....well go and get his ball and we will see if he behaves for a ball reward. Sure enough within 20 minutes we had him calm for ball reward.......BB could have done that too if they had half a clue The dog had great toy and food focus and after a couple of basic lessons, the lady gained control and kept her dog It's pretty sad when she thought she got the experts in and her dog was untrainable to the point she had no pleasure from the dog and considered rehoming him? From my understanding, they MUST train in the BB method, so anyone experienced at dog training wouldn't take on such a franchise so I guess most franchisees would begin with little previous training knowledge to run with it?
  14. What Cesar does with reactive dogs is air block them with his slip leash.......if you watch carefully when he walks a previously reactive dog that settles with him instantly, he's choking the dog out discretely so the dog is more interested in breathing than reacting then the dog tends to avoid the correction whilst Cesar is handling the dog.......it's not magical whispering and is basically the same process William Koehler used with reactive dogs done more discretely. Most of his training techniques are based on the old school of Koehler and the Monks of New Skete in a re-engineered version. I suspect the PSSSTT noise is associated off camera with a poke in the neck......in some dogs you can see the dog flinch to the PSSSST noise and pull it's head back and for that to happen before the camera rolls, the dog has been probably poked hard in the neck area to associate the sound with an aversive stimulus and consequently go into avoidance. What assists him greatly is a lack of fear and extreme confidence handling dogs which refers to as leadership where he projects the body language and along with aversives so the dogs fear him more...in a nutshell with Cesar, the dogs are ultimately behaving through correction avoidance which can be seen in their dull persona whilst he is handling and training them.
  15. Yes, many an officer at the scene has been bitten by a dog especially in the old days when mostly defence driven dogs were used trained in defence......they were pretty aggressive and if you got in their way the dog would often choose the closest person to apprehend and may not always be the bad guy. They are much better now days with improved training techniques allowed the use of more stable dogs. Handler aggression used to be caused by correction based training methods where some dogs in the height of fight won't take harsh corrections thinking that the handler is challenging them. Reward based training has dramatically reduced handler aggression issues from where they used to be in the old training methods. Some dogs in tracking are driven to track for a bite so good for apprehension of offenders, but not so good in search and rescue where the handler must be extra vigilant in maintaining control in tracking scenario.
  16. If the dog was on the offenders trail, it should have ignored the stranger (wrong scent), so it was probably on a random search for anyone and could have been possibly been dragging the long line and was some way in front of the handler. It was the handlers fault the man was bitten as he/she didn't have proper control of the dog in a public place where innocent people can suddenly appear. Police dogs are trained to bite with as much force as the dog can muster and to hang on.......so the poor man bitten is no wonder he was hospitalised by the injury. The handler will be on the mat for this error of judgement and won't be taken lightly internally. To certified as a police dog, it has to be able to abort an apprehension on command off leash and do it reliably, they will all abort as a priority training exercise to safeguard the innocent but having said that, if the handler looses sight of the dog as in this instance, biting an innocent person can happen.
  17. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/police-dog-bites-melbourne-man/story-fn3dxiwe-1227017653616?nk=98066a6b5675dba9d92dc2824ea91502 A police dog was tracking on a long lead searching for an offender when the dog turned a corner where a civilian man was present and tried to pat the dog. The dog bit the man on the arm and hospitalised him the report concludes. The handler will have some explaining and some lengthy paperwork to complete for why the dog was in a position to bite a member of the public
  18. A Vet behaviourist is the only formal qualification which extends to all animals not specifically dogs. Anyone can call themselves a dog behaviourist and "qualified" generally means they have attended a training scheme like the NDTF course and the like. Vet behaviourists can also prescribe drugs for behavioural issues.
  19. Ok, perhaps investigate some young GSD's for rehoming that people can't handle.....many operational and service dogs have been sourced in this way and still are, they are working dogs and most that exhibit pet behaviour through selective breeding have limited working drive, they merely look like GSD's, but some have retained workability and the characters of these dogs are vastly different and MUST be trained for pet suitability otherwise they can get out of control quickly from adolescence. Correct, and if an inexperienced owner gets a GSD who has working drive then the training of the dog becomes more of a necessity to train suitably to attain the pet behaviours one is seeking.
  20. BC, years ago we used to contain drive with a choke chain and hard corrections on the pretence that the dog must fear the handler. As training systems evolved, it was realised that drive, the thing most frustrating that a dog exhibits and is hard to control can be used to train behaviours with great success. Drive in a dog is easy to train handler focus which gives off leash control as the dog is always in tune with the handler from all the fun rewards the handler provides for the right behaviours. Driven dogs in the old days are the ones we used to chase off leash and the most unreliable as they would take off given the opportunity, like 20 years later the same driven dogs off leash are the one's when trained in drive and handler focus that will come with great exuberance to a here command, with an intensity "you called me, what are we doing, lets go" and using the drive Stella has to your advantage will over time overcome her reactivity towards other dogs. Stella has real working dog traits from her description which can come along in show lines just not as often as in working lines.....one of my best GSD's was a show line black and tan......his brother was a complete dud as a working dog and was placed in a pet home, being of a given working breed, an individual dog can inherit the strongest working traits of their ancestry. Work on the handler focus with Stella and fun rewards for the right behaviour......she sounds like a great dog with heaps of potential albeit driven dogs are a bit of handful in the learning process, but with time and patience they produce some great results in control and obedience. :)
  21. I like the sound of this young dog and none of the behaviours are bad, they are normal for a GSD with good drives to exhibit all of this type of behaviour and is the reason without experience it's not recommended for people to own working dogs as pets unless they are dedicated in their training, but first and foremost, they need advice from a trainer who knows how to train the right behaviours into a young working dog as they can be a handful to manage in adolescence especially if it's a working line GSD and the same applies with working Malinois and even working Border Collies and Kelpies can exhibit some unruly behaviour from high drive traits. That's actually excellent as the dog will be very adaptable to training in drive.......funny thing is, these behaviours frowned upon in a pet are what you want to see in a good working dog prospect :laugh:
  22. A training to tool MUST have the ability to switch on and off to use as a training tool otherwise it's a management tool. The dog ultimately needs to feel nothing when the tool is switched off and feel pressure when it's on to either interrupt or extinguish a behaviour. A simple neck collar is bad enough for a dog to become collar wise meaning that the dog behaves with the collar on and with the collar off reverts back to it's default behaviour when a neck collar is used incorrectly......harnesses and head collars are worse again as their fitment is obvious and often aversive to the dog before a leash is attached to it. We need to be mindful that Halti's and the like were designed by people with making money as their priority not presenting a worthy dog training tool. Science of dog behaviour applies to the behaviour the dog exhibits, that is for example, it's of little training value to treat a behaviour as fearful when in fact the behaviour is a dominant form of social aggression as in a GSD can be a breed specific trait yet the behaviour can appear the same as a dog exhibiting fear reactivity with symptoms of lunging etc. The majority of breeds don't have traits of social aggression at all and many GSD's don't either, but some do dependant on how the genetics came together in the particular dog. Many good operational and service GSD's have been scoured from people's pets who can't handle them despite behaviourist and training routines that have failed because the behaviourist/trainers had no breed trait knowledge to administer the correct path of rehabilitating specific behaviours.
  23. A GSD is a working dog that can exhibit certain breed traits and for the best results you MUST seek out a trainer with GSD breed experience with the knowledge to assess the dog's behaviour correctly otherwise they will mess it up. If anyone is suggesting head collars and harnesses as training tools for a GSD, they are inexperienced at training GSD's is a good assumption. If the dog is genetically defence driven or over sharp, or it displays any form of social aggression which can occur in the breed, they can't be trained out on the wrong behaviour assessment from someone who has never encountered or trained a sharp defence driven working dog. It's essential that behavioural issues with GSD's are correctly assessed for the right course of training to be applied :) A prong collar is the evolution of a check chain, a great tool and a much safer tool than a check chain with far less likelihood to injure a dog on a prong collar even used incorrectly than potential injury from check chain mis-use, yet a check chain can be purchased anywhere and by anyone and be mis-used as anyone sees fit, hardly a sensible concept
  24. He was mad on toys, balls and tugs to the point if he saw you with one and hid it from him, he would throw himself at you to get it, and if you turned your back on him, he would jump up and you would cop his snout in the back of the head, he was a nutcase in drive :laugh: We controlled him with toys initially and made him perform commands for release for reward and because he was so intense for toy reward. we were able to gain handler focus above all else over time. He was too over the top to certify as a service dog and went to a sporting home in New Zealand. If she won't hold a down stay, when she gets up, tell her NOOOOOO, then back her up to where she was laying and do it again and back away from her, then move in towards her and have a release word like, ok or yes which means she can get up and take the treat. Keep practicing that and moving further away each time before you go back to her for release and reward. Don't reward her for breaking command, make her do it again and get it right before she gets a reward. It takes time in small steps but if you tell her NOOOOOOOO, like a drawn out NO and take her back to do the exercise again, she will learn when she got it wrong also and getting it wrong means no reward. With focused heeling, put her in the heel position at your side and stand still with a treat in your hand and hold it high on your chest below you neck where she will look up at you for the treat. When she gives you eye contact release her for the treat, so you are rewarding eye contact. Keep practicing that until she holds eye contact for 15 or 20 seconds reliably stationary, then command heal or we use the German word for heel "fuss" pronounced "foos" which seems to have an impact on dogs they respond to...so whilst she has held eye contact you command "fuss" and start walking......she will follow with eye contact in a competition heel, then release and reward her with a treat. I prefer to teach eye contact first then transition it to walking at heel as two separate exercises other wise when you try to incorporate the eye contact and walking in the one exercise and the dog has a lot of drive, they break easily and start jumping at you for the reward. When they have learned the eye contact part first in a stationary position, walking while maintaining the eye contact seems a more natural transition and they don't seem to break the heel as easily in training. I like the sound of Stella's drive BC, I think you will do well with her and correct the unwanted behaviour as the good drive in a dog provides more to work with training the right behaviour :) Actually, the couple of working Border Collies I was impressed with their sheep work were pretty aggressive, if strangers went near the handler's truck they would get cranky same if the sheep played up they nip them, the dogs wouldn't take any nonsense. They were strong assertive dogs with heaps of drive, not like the show line Borders that people have as pets, the working line sheep dogs were quite different in character.
  25. Please advise your friend to seek a trainer who is breed experienced with GSD's, that is if you get a sparky male cocky and dominant, there are specific training requirements for young dogs exhibiting that type of behaviour. It's easily fixed, but not with head collars. Is he perhaps a working line GSD?
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