SkySoaringMagpie Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 First, for the armchair sleuths, this is NOT my breed I am talking about. However, I was watching a speciality recently and the (international specialist) judge placed the dogs and the breeder/owner of the one who placed third exited the ring and didn't stay for the judge to do a critique. If you're a judge and someone did this would you be offended? Or relieved that that was one less critique to write? Would it make a difference if the person who did it was "senior" or "junior" to you as far as time in the breed is concerned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havasneeze Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 First, for the armchair sleuths, this is NOT my breed I am talking about.However, I was watching a speciality recently and the (international specialist) judge placed the dogs and the breeder/owner of the one who placed third exited the ring and didn't stay for the judge to do a critique. If you're a judge and someone did this would you be offended? Or relieved that that was one less critique to write? Would it make a difference if the person who did it was "senior" or "junior" to you as far as time in the breed is concerned? IMO it's the only way to let the Judge know that you are NOT happy with their Judging, besides giving them a gobful. A far more polite way of doing it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkySoaringMagpie Posted January 27, 2010 Author Share Posted January 27, 2010 IMO it's the only way to let the Judge know that you are NOT happy with their Judging, besides giving them a gobful. A far more polite way of doing it!!! So is that the only reason why someone would do it? Doesn't that skate a bit close to the rules most states have about respecting the judge's decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellcara Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 well IMO - it is a case of bad sportsmanship............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Megz- Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 I could be as simple as needing to get a dog ready for the next class. I don't think it's compulsory to stay for the Critique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Megz- Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) well IMO - it is a case of bad sportsmanship............ It may well have been, but there are other explanations, I sure wouldn't want to be tarnished with the same brush, especially if I was trying to do the right thing by other exhibitors/stewards by getting my next dog out and ready. ETA: Not a specialty scenario, but I'm often rushing from the ring, win or lose, I respect the judge/stewards/exhibitors enough to know that they won't appreciate waiting for me just because I was in the ring 30 seconds earlier. Edited January 27, 2010 by -Megz- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benshiva Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Absolutely bad sportsmanship in my book. If it was me judging I would insist that the exhibitor come back so I could do a critique on the dog. Some people have no manners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 If you have a judge that is doing critiques then it's my personal opinion that you remain in the ring until the judge has finished. I think it's very rude to leave the ring The stewards have been pretty strict at the SBT shows and state that the dog must remain in the ring until the judge has finished writing the critiques and you are dismissed. If it's a problem and you've got another exhibit in the following class, hand your dog over and have someone else wait with it for the critique. This happen quite often with no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkySoaringMagpie Posted January 27, 2010 Author Share Posted January 27, 2010 I could be as simple as needing to get a dog ready for the next class.I don't think it's compulsory to stay for the Critique. In this case that wasn't a consideration as they didn't have a dog in the next class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Megz- Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 I could be as simple as needing to get a dog ready for the next class.I don't think it's compulsory to stay for the Critique. In this case that wasn't a consideration as they didn't have a dog in the next class. I still don't like generalising behaviour without witnessing it or knowing the person. I think it's rude but there are just as many reasons to do it if absolutely necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikesPuppy Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Was the dog 3rd out of 3 or did it actually win 3rd place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziah Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 I'd never leave the ring without having waited for a critique... Though I guess an exhibitor could feel that they paid an entry fee, got an opinion (that they didn't like) and felt that they didn't want a critique written, so they left the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkySoaringMagpie Posted January 27, 2010 Author Share Posted January 27, 2010 Was the dog 3rd out of 3 or did it actually win 3rd place? 3 of 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikesPuppy Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Was the dog 3rd out of 3 or did it actually win 3rd place? 3 of 3. In that case, I don't think it's so bad..... the judge may have said something to the exhibitor while judging it etc. My dog was 3rd out of 3 last specialty and I stayed for the critique- I regret wasting my time now as the critique was very negative (not ONE nice thing said about my dog... IMO if my dog was that bad she should have refused to place him) and she was clearly not interested in him as soon as the class entered the ring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlibud Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 well that answers if maybe the person wasnt happy with the judges opinion LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 We we told in no uncertain terms at one specialty by the steward " if you have been placed, DO NOT leave the ring until your dog has been critiqued, the photo's have been taken and you have been directed to do so " If someone did leave, could they have lodged a complaint or withdrawn any prize and place awarded ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziah Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 We we told in no uncertain terms at one specialty by the steward " if you have been placed, DO NOT leave the ring until your dog has been critiqued, the photo's have been taken and you have been directed to do so "If someone did leave, could they have lodged a complaint or withdrawn any prize and place awarded ? I'm thinking not BUT had that exhibitor then gone on to show dogs in other classes, I wouldn't like ot be them after causing a stir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Perhaps the judge gave the exhibitor permission to leave the ring? Unless you were right in the thick of things, you wouldn't necessarily know. Some judges have already formulated opinions about their minor placings and don't necessarily need the exhibit in front of them to know what they are going to say. If however the judge did not give the word, then yes, IMO it is bad sportsmanship. You paid for the opinion, you stand there and take it when it is given whether you like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellcara Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 If however the judge did not give the word, then yes, IMO it is bad sportsmanship. You paid for the opinion, you stand there and take it when it is given whether you like it or not. exactly... there is no excuse.... if you have another dog to get for the next class then you get someone else to hold the dog in the ring being critiqued... I have done that on many occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 If however the judge did not give the word, then yes, IMO it is bad sportsmanship. You paid for the opinion, you stand there and take it when it is given whether you like it or not. exactly... there is no excuse.... if you have another dog to get for the next class then you get someone else to hold the dog in the ring being critiqued... I have done that on many occasions. I have always found when a critique must be done they have been very patient with exhibitors in the next class. Some dogs you can hand off & others you cant & if the photo,s havent been done then i want to be the stacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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