emery Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I'd rather you show your bitch in season than allow your male dog to piss over any of the following:* my gazebo walls * my trolley * a bag full of show gear * my leg I've seen all those. Bitches in season are permitted to be shown. Therefore I think its inevitable that they will be. No point getting upset about it. Or the ring rope poles toilet the dog before getting it to the ring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) My dog can tell at least 6 weeks before my bitch comes in. He has been showing signs of being more attentive already and she is not due in until the middle of March. Should I leave her at home because of the potential issues with other peoples dogs??? My male is trained to listen and work at what ever I am asking of him when my bitch is in season. He still continues to train and compete as per normal in obedience when she is in season and I expect him to behave at shows regardless of bitches being in season. I personally have found it perks the males up and makes them more showy when there are bitches around that are in season. most people dont take mares in season to shows I have owned more mares than geldings. They have been shown regardless of being in season and were not as a general rule temperemental. There are a lot of mare shown regularly. I do not know of anyone who will not show their mare purely because she is in season. It happens that often when they are cycling you would never get to a show if you didn't take them out in season. Edited February 7, 2011 by OSoSwift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I'd rather you show your bitch in season than allow your male dog to piss over any of the following:* my gazebo walls * my trolley * a bag full of show gear * my leg I've seen all those. Agreed, I find that extremely poor manners and if your dog does it to mine and I see it, I will have words! I do remember a dog cocking his leg on his owner, she was livid. She swung around and asked igf any of our bitches were in season we replied no. My friened offered the information that her bitch had been in 4 weeks before. The owner of the dog then went one to blame my friend and her dog for her dog cocking his leg on her even though the bitch had been out fo season for weeks - yep sure, umm maybe training might help oh and being attentive to what your dog is doing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiesrule Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I wont take a bitch in season to a show, not only does it upset my boys, but friends boys and other dogs atthe the show, I get very annoyed when there is a girl in season around at a show, my older boys have learnt to ignore it by age and experience, but when you have a young dog still learning the ropes its such a pain when you cant get their heads up off the ground or they are really distracted by a girl somewhere on the grounds !! surely you can miss a show or two ?? I know a few Judges that hate it when bitches in season are in the ring ! not just the mess, but also the disruption it can cause to the males that they have examine afterwards. How do they cope at Horse shows Kelpies Rule ??? well the males competing in the hacking rings are geldings and most people dont take mares in season to shows because they act like such absolute cows its not worth the effort most of the time, and the stallions are only in the breed rings usually led, sometimes under saddle but not in the hacking rings. Ive shown horses and mares are never left at home when in season ! Not all mares or bitches are cows when in season, I have no change at all in my girls. And a friend of mine only ever had one mare tempermental when in season but she went to shows regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I am pretty sure bitches in season are not allowed to compete in obedience,and those dogs would have a higher level of control i would assume-it must obviously affect that. No you cannot trial a bitch in season. However in many of the rings they are doing scent work and scent discrimination work, so slightly different to the show ring. Also while a bitch in season cannot trial, at times - like the show/trial I am going to this weekend, the trial is on at the same time as the show and yes the rings are a short distance away but the dogs will still be easily able to smell the bitches. They are still trained and expected to work at a high level. Another point, many of the obedience dogs are worked off lead. That has the potential for more of an issue than a show dog on lead and (hopefully) under effective control. I hav also seen in the past the obedience rings set up with signs asking for people to keep out. Seems some people exiting the rings couldn't read and yes there were bitches in season. Many dogs still worked extremely well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiesrule Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I'd rather you show your bitch in season than allow your male dog to piss over any of the following:* my gazebo walls * my trolley * a bag full of show gear * my leg I've seen all those. Bitches in season are permitted to be shown. Therefore I think its inevitable that they will be. No point getting upset about it. YES !!!! I am sick to death of people letting their male dogs piss on my car tyres ! And letting them piss all over the bins outside the rings... and poles... people have to pack them up at the end of the day and dont need to be covered in dog piss... I never let my boys piss on anything but grass or trees when they are on leads ! I have also had them piss on my trolley !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikesPuppy Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I get so sick of people blaming others and their dogs for things. Squeaky toys, bait dropped, dogs barking etc will cope it when something doesn't go as planned. My boy hates AmStaffs, a bit of a problem since we are usually next to one!! But he is now under control and behaves perfectly in the ring no matter how close the other dog is. So some people don't show their bitch in season cos she looks bad, my bitch looks and shows brilliantly when in season... Given that it is not against the rules, why should I not show her at her peak just because it may upset a few dogs or their owners?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pockets Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I get so sick of people blaming others and their dogs for things. Squeaky toys, bait dropped, dogs barking etc will cope it when something doesn't go as planned. My boy hates AmStaffs, a bit of a problem since we are usually next to one!! But he is now under control and behaves perfectly in the ring no matter how close the other dog is. So some people don't show their bitch in season cos she looks bad, my bitch looks and shows brilliantly when in season... Given that it is not against the rules, why should I not show her at her peak just because it may upset a few dogs or their owners?? Have to agree with you there, my bitch shows beautifully when in season too I too have had people comment on how well there male does when there is a bitch in season there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr_inoz Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Someone showing a bitch in season and stopping a young male from concentrating, in my view, is nothing compared to exhibitors I have seen deliberately dropping bait in front of the dog behind them in the line up, dropping bait on their way around the ring, letting their males piss all over everything and to top it all off, taking their dog into the ring to relieve themselves before judging so that others will be put off by the sent. Showing a bitch in season, is the least of these issues. Having said that - I will show my girl when she is coming in, and going out, but not when she is ready to stand. Nor if her discharge is heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becks Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I'd rather you show your bitch in season than allow your male dog to piss over any of the following:* my gazebo walls * my trolley * a bag full of show gear * my leg I've seen all those. Bitches in season are permitted to be shown. Therefore I think its inevitable that they will be. No point getting upset about it. I didn't realised Australian show rules were so strict that dogs peeing up your property is against the rules! WOW Or have I missed your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centitout Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Letting males pee on everything is not on either,but people taking their fully in season bitches into the rings prior to judging and letting them pee everywhere is also extremely rude There are plenty of areas to toilet your dog away from the rings that isnt going to cause problems,that is males OR females. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelsun Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I've never given it a thought....if the girls are in season at ANY stage, I keep them clear of everyone else and their set up, toilet them in a place I don't think many are using (not the middle of an unused ring!) and when waiting ringside, let anyone close know she's in season. I also let the judge know when they are doing teeth/head so they take the appropriate care when going to the rear end. My girls often show wonderfully when in season and YES you can train a male to ignore it....some boys I've used a season to my advantage as they perk up and get very attentive, but don't go stupid. As for the open cervix debate and infections....I keep asking for studies on this, but none are ever forthcoming(wives tales).....and for those that believe they have less risk of infection by staying home, they are living in a rose coloured world I"m afraid. Unless you also quarantine yourself for the time, it's not going to happen. As long as the rules allow us to show bitches at any stage of their heat cycle, I will. I do what I beleive to be good manners and don't give it another thought....and this is the reason when I have done all this, and have my bitch waiting ringside, AWAY from anyone/dogs, I was more than pissed off when a dog was released from a crate only to come flying over and attempt to rape her with the owners unaware or uncaring that it was happening (they all stood ten feet away at most from the event) Because the bitch was on the way out, she still was attractive to an inexperienced dog and there was never a risk because we managed the situation quickly, however I have heard that I have been blamed for showing her in the first place (how did the dog get out of the crate....I don't remember opening it!) and yet I have seen those that complain, show bitches in season....guess it's ok for them, but not for me....gotta love dog shows and the people attached! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiesrule Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I've never given it a thought....if the girls are in season at ANY stage, I keep them clear of everyone else and their set up, toilet them in a place I don't think many are using (not the middle of an unused ring!) and when waiting ringside, let anyone close know she's in season. I also let the judge know when they are doing teeth/head so they take the appropriate care when going to the rear end. My girls often show wonderfully when in season and YES you can train a male to ignore it....some boys I've used a season to my advantage as they perk up and get very attentive, but don't go stupid. As for the open cervix debate and infections....I keep asking for studies on this, but none are ever forthcoming(wives tales).....and for those that believe they have less risk of infection by staying home, they are living in a rose coloured world I"m afraid. Unless you also quarantine yourself for the time, it's not going to happen. As long as the rules allow us to show bitches at any stage of their heat cycle, I will. I do what I beleive to be good manners and don't give it another thought....and this is the reason when I have done all this, and have my bitch waiting ringside, AWAY from anyone/dogs, I was more than pissed off when a dog was released from a crate only to come flying over and attempt to rape her with the owners unaware or uncaring that it was happening (they all stood ten feet away at most from the event) Because the bitch was on the way out, she still was attractive to an inexperienced dog and there was never a risk because we managed the situation quickly, however I have heard that I have been blamed for showing her in the first place (how did the dog get out of the crate....I don't remember opening it!) and yet I have seen those that complain, show bitches in season....guess it's ok for them, but not for me....gotta love dog shows and the people attached! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayreovi Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I get so sick of people blaming others and their dogs for things. Squeaky toys, bait dropped, dogs barking etc will cope it when something doesn't go as planned. My boy hates AmStaffs, a bit of a problem since we are usually next to one!! But he is now under control and behaves perfectly in the ring no matter how close the other dog is. I agree, my older boy was way way way more interested in the food dropped in the ring than any bitch in season, my younger boy used to go nuts over squeaky toys but I didn't blame the other exhibitors for my dog's lack of focus instead I spent time training them to value me more Not the same as some dogs intense interest in a bitch in season but other exhibitors don't always do things we agree with in the ring, it's up to us too manage our own dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelsun Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Try showing a scent hound in a ring littered with bait and then you would be entitled to a good whinge...however, we managed to train the short legged ones to ignore anything on the ground, focus on their task....it's no different than training boys to ignore girls...and then there is always oil of peppermint or vicks if that won't work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikesPuppy Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 We should all show our dogs in a sterile environment with no bait, squeaky toys and heaven forbid no interesting doggy scents! What about the males who cock on the table? Ewww. Although I will say I HATE people who throw bait and don't pick it up, not because of my dogs but because it's gross and indoors can be slipped on or outdoors if left can attract flies etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoPaws Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Really can't believe some people here..."someone elses's problems"????? really??? How about a dozen or more peoples males that are affected by YOUR dog? Bloody rude. Pfft I have male dogs too and I dont whinge and complain when there are girls in season around. I just deal with it. What about the stud dogs that can tell a bitch is coming in 6 weeks before she does ! Am I supposed to leave her at home 6 weeks before she comes in as well ?? Hmmm I wonder how they cope at horse shows ?? !!! My Arabian girls get a break when they are in, I am too old to be hitting the deck because of a moody mare My second or third show ever was a small country show, I was the only one of the breed there and my dog was in junior at the time. Another exhibitor asked if she could set up beside me and of course I said yes. My dog was so naughty that day that I ended up in tears. In the group specials line up, he turned to the outside of the ring and barked and howled at what I though was my gazebo, it was horrible and we were dismissed from the line up. While we were packing up the lady who had set up beside me said 'suppose I had better get home and get this bitched mated' I don't have a problem with bitches who are in season being shown but ffs have some consideration, let people know, don't shove them in the face of any male and toilet them well away from everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkySoaringMagpie Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I'd rather you show your bitch in season than allow your male dog to piss over any of the following:* my gazebo walls * my trolley * a bag full of show gear * my leg I've seen all those. Bitches in season are permitted to be shown. Therefore I think its inevitable that they will be. No point getting upset about it. Worst I ever saw in the peeing dog stakes was a dog peeing on a baby's bassinet, with the baby in it! As for the bitches in season threads, like other common topics they usually go the same way - to the point that when I saw this one come up I thought to myself that I could write a summary of the thread before it got going!! Some people will say it's rude, others will say the objectors' dogs need better training. Neither side will agree. I think some manners goes a long way, as well as some perspective about what a day away from a show ultimately means (ie, not a lot unless you're missing a once in ten years specialist God of your breed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikesPuppy Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I'd rather you show your bitch in season than allow your male dog to piss over any of the following:* my gazebo walls * my trolley * a bag full of show gear * my leg I've seen all those. ;) Bitches in season are permitted to be shown. Therefore I think its inevitable that they will be. No point getting upset about it. Worst I ever saw in the peeing dog stakes was a dog peeing on a baby's bassinet, with the baby in it! As for the bitches in season threads, like other common topics they usually go the same way - to the point that when I saw this one come up I thought to myself that I could write a summary of the thread before it got going!! Some people will say it's rude, others will say the objectors' dogs need better training. Neither side will agree. I think some manners goes a long way, as well as some perspective about what a day away from a show ultimately means (ie, not a lot unless you're missing a once in ten years specialist God of your breed). It can mean a lot if you have booked accommodation, made travel arrangements not to mention entry fees wasted especially if it's a cluster show. Or if you don't show very often for whatever reason. I know when I do 'away' shows, I have to take everybody with me. Could always scratch the bitch in season but she would still be there in the tent or whatever and I certainly wouldn't be leaving her unattended! So it's not always a case of 'omg I can't miss a show for a single reason'. I definitely agree with you about manners though, let people know what's happening and be considerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkySoaringMagpie Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 It can mean a lot if you have booked accommodation, made travel arrangements not to mention entry fees wasted especially if it's a cluster show. Or if you don't show very often for whatever reason. I know when I do 'away' shows, I have to take everybody with me. Could always scratch the bitch in season but she would still be there in the tent or whatever and I certainly wouldn't be leaving her unattended! So it's not always a case of 'omg I can't miss a show for a single reason'. I definitely agree with you about manners though, let people know what's happening and be considerate. Might be a big dog/little dog thing? If ours aren't being shown, they stay home with a dog savvy house sitter when we go away for the weekend. As we have an old companion dog, there's always someone that needs looking after so an extra dog isn't a big deal. For me it's too much hassle to take a medium sized dog away if you're not going to show it, particularly a moody Saluki bitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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