Burdy Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I did a quick search to see if this has been discussed before but couldn't find anything.. As some of you maybe aware I recently lost a whole litter - Csection revealed 8 dead pups at varying stages of developement. There were no signs, the bitch remained in top health until term, went into whelp but then got a black discharge alerting me to get her to the vet immediately. Through talks with other breeders it was suggested that it may have been caused by a drop in progesterone levels at some stage of the pregnancy and that next time to continue prog testing through pregnancy and if levels drop a dose of estrogin (sp?) can be given as long as results are within 24 hours of sample taken. So for discussion - have you heard of this? Do you do this? and if so at what times or how often through the pregnancy? In my other breed I had never heard of it and had many a successful litter, this is my first litter with this breed (Neapolitans) and seems to me would be a very costly exercise if it has to be done often through the pregnancy Thoughts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I did a quick search to see if this has been discussed before but couldn't find anything..As some of you maybe aware I recently lost a whole litter - Csection revealed 8 dead pups at varying stages of developement. There were no signs, the bitch remained in top health until term, went into whelp but then got a black discharge alerting me to get her to the vet immediately. Through talks with other breeders it was suggested that it may have been caused by a drop in progesterone levels at some stage of the pregnancy and that next time to continue prog testing through pregnancy and if levels drop a dose of estrogin (sp?) can be given as long as results are within 24 hours of sample taken. So for discussion - have you heard of this? Do you do this? and if so at what times or how often through the pregnancy? In my other breed I had never heard of it and had many a successful litter, this is my first litter with this breed (Neapolitans) and seems to me would be a very costly exercise if it has to be done often through the pregnancy Thoughts... There should be a really good thread by Norskgra and what she did with a Norwegian Elkhound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stolzseinrotts Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) Actually I believe this to be more common than people think. It would explain why a lot of litters are lost after confirming pregnancy at about 28 days. I know of a number of bitches who on their next pregnancy have been monitored and this was found to be a problem and therefore would cause / explain the loss of a previous litter. I was so sorry to hear about your lost litter and Mum who is looking for her puppies, very sad. I wish you and her all the very best for next time. Edited February 2, 2011 by Stolzseinrotts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Lolapalooza* Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Where is SA are you Mastini? You should call Dr Girling at Noahs Crossing Lewiston and he can tell you what they do. I have heard of it happening with a friend with Newfs and also Bernese, I have never had this but I believe people dont routinely check Prog through pregnancy unless they have had a loss like yours ( ) Then the vet checks the prog after 4 weeks (I think, am trying to remember) and weekly after that if it is low give progesterone tabs or injection and monitor weekly. This by no means my own experience (thankgod) but just what I have heard. Good Luck xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burdy Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 Thanks. I just thought I'd put it up for an interesting topic of discussion. Was wondering how much people know about it and if its now becoming common practice amoungst breeders as a know cause of lost litters.... Yes i need to ring Chris anyway.. as he did the AI, for his stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rottsup Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Our bitch also recently lost her whole litter between days 48 & 49 I have spoken to our new repro specialist vet about this as he found it difficult to give us any particular reason/s. He said it could have been for many different reasons and to make things worse we were moving during her pregnancy so could have been stress related more than anything else. Even though our previous repro specialist vet strongly recommended breeding her due to her having pyometra the season before, we did have concerns but we thought she was a tough bitch who had never showed any signs of stress previously. We are lucky enough though that she is okay, happy & healthy now (lost pups just over 3 weeks ago) and can be mated again at her next season. However we can not rule out that it may have been caused by deminishing progesterone levels so we will have her prog tested weekly once she is confirmed in whelp next time. Sure, it will cost us approx $40 per week for this test x 5 weeks ($200) but if it means getting a healthy litter of pups from a very good quality imported Aust CH bitch, then that's what we will do. Good luck with your girl for her next pregnancy and I hope this info helps you in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Years ago I had a bitch that would lose her puppies due to a drop in progesterone. The next mating the vet put in a progesterone implant and it had to be removed 2 days or so before whelping. This bitch then went into labor and produced a healthy litter. It was a long time ago and I only hope I have things correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kustali Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Sorry to hear this, i've bumped a thread for you that i started. After looking into it more i definitely think it's worth checking the levels through out their pregnancies, better to be safe than sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Did you calculate the days right ? Some count 63 days from mating, and not ovulation. With frozen you normally inseminate 3 days after ovulation, happy to be corrected if im wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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