Her Majesty Dogmad Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 (edited) There was an attack in the local dog park only a fortnight ago - 2 undesexed GSPs had a go at a poor dog leaving the park. They shouldn't have bene in there in the first place ... Edited September 24, 2012 by dogmad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 (edited) That's your opinion dogmad but there are plenty of entire dogs at my local dog park all the time and it doesn't make any difference to whether or not there are problems - some entire individuals may cause problems but some desexed individuals cause problems too. ETA - cherry picking an incident where 2 entire dogs attacked doesn't prove that no entire dog should ever be at a dog park, and I doubt the ONLY factor in those dogs attacking was them being entire. Edited September 24, 2012 by Simply Grand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 My desexed girl tends to do this when she is excited, like after I have just finished a game of tugs with her but she doesn't do it to me, she just humps the air for a few seconds. I know it is really weird but I just ignore it as she is not actually doing it at or on anything. I think it is just excitment. She is a very highly strung girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyBlue Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Dyson is 11months old and still entire. The only humping he has done has been to his soft toys. He has certainly attracted attention at the dog park though. There is usually a dog trying to hump him. He doesn't seem to notice it and the poor dog is left to hold on tightly as he races around. Milly is generally a very submissive dog but in the last year or two shes started to turn in to the fun police. She tends to stop games that get a bit rowdy for her liking and if there is a particularly assertive puppy she will often tell them off and if they persist then mount them. I find it all quite interesting to watch, particularly the more subtle body language. There was a malamute at the park today who was fascinated with Dyson. Most other males just do the head over his shoulders or humping but this one was licking around his lips, rolling over in front of him and mounting him. It was almost like he was apologetic but just couldn't help himself. Im wondering if the hormones have something to do with it. Or if Dysons just managed to score a minion. Entire dogs in the dog park is simply not appropriate! They might be OK but they will attract a lot of attention which can turn to fights. Any reason why you can't desex your dog? If he's a breed or show dog that is fine but he needs to stay away from dog park situations. Any dog that humps - if it is desexed, also shouldn't be in a dog park and if it is, it shouldn't be given the opportunity to hump or should be stopped immediately - you can normally tell when a dog is about to do this. Dog parks are dangerous, it's no wonder. That's an interesting opinion you have. Is there a particular reason or experience for that opinion 'cause it certainly doesn't fit with my experiences? I keep a close eye on both my dogs (yes even the desexed dogs need to be watched too), and if there is a situation that they seem to be unhappy with I sort it out. The same goes if its one of my dogs bothering another dog. The dogs and owners we catch up with on a daily basis train their dogs at local clubs and a fair few also trial their dogs so are for the most part extremely dog savvy. Many dogs and bitches that go there are entire and this does not cause an issue. I am inclined to say the reason my puppy gets hassled is because he is losing/has lost his puppy license. My friends dog went through this around the same age but did not cope with the dominance and attention of the other dogs so well so the park was avoided for a time. As I said before, my puppy couldn't care less. If this changes then I will make changes so he doesn't have to interact with such dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t a i l s. Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 My entire boy also has no issues with other males from the experiences we have, he is only ever allowed to be off leash with another dog when I know the dog myself. It's all well and good that the owner thinks their dogs amazing and always friendly. We also don't go to dog parks in my town, there is no point. No dogs are ever there, most play sessions are after our obedience training with other dogs who have just finished the class, so most are fairly tired but need to let off a bit of steam and have a sniff. I would never put my own dog in danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Well i've only been working with dogs for over 10 years, I have been to plenty of dog parks and seen plenty of problems in a shelter environment as well, have spoken with dog trainers, behaviouralists, owned many dogs myself and fostered over 100. No, I really wouldn't have a valuable opinion based on experience and research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Weasels, where are you? You have links to post! All right, fine. I'll do it. Here is a blog post by a dog scientist that has some nice basic (and uber well-informed) points about humping as well as a bunch of links to the most recent discussions (also uber well-informed) on this topic. http://doyoubelieveindog.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/a-moment-for-humping.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 Hi corvus! *waves* :) I thought there must be some research, I'll go read... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajirin Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Tye and Scout used to hump each other [both desexed boys]. Could always verbally tell them to stop by saying 'no humping'. They'd always give the look of 'awwww kill joy'. They never humped any other dog but each other, nor did they hump legs of people or other inanimate objects. Since Tye passed away, Scout has never humped anything else. I just think they had a thing for each other and Scout lost his hump buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I found this ad last week - what a shame that the older dog has had to endure the younger dog's behaviour for the last 9 yrs - read the ad and see what you think. I think the owner needs a good kick, why on earth would you allow this situation to continue? Obviously they take the dog out and it's an issue but have they learned anything from all of this? Obviously not. By the way, this is a large, strong breed of dog. We are looking for a home for our 9 yr male who is not desexed. He grew up with our two kids and plays well with our 7 month kitten. He is very healthy and has the strength and agility of a much younger dog. He needs to be the only dog in the home. When meeting dogs outside whilst on walks etc, he gets on well, sniffing and lots of tail wagging, but if other dog decides to get cranky, he will not run away and there can be trouble. Otherwise he socialises well. He lives with another Male BREED, xxx, who is 11 and becoming frail. xxx has been aggressively dominating placid xxx for years, but the last 12 months has seen this increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 Well i've only been working with dogs for over 10 years, I have been to plenty of dog parks and seen plenty of problems in a shelter environment as well, have spoken with dog trainers, behaviouralists, owned many dogs myself and fostered over 100. No, I really wouldn't have a valuable opinion based on experience and research? In your experience, as detailed above, have you found that humping always leads to conflict between dogs? Or is humping within a pack accepted as normal behaviour by the dogs involved but not between stranger dogs? (or both, or neither...). From what I've read and observed, humping is a normal dog behaviour and most stable dogs can manage it, possibly with minor human intervention, so I'm interested in knowing why you feel it should never be allowed in a dog park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 Rubyblue, have a look at the articles corvus linked, interesting scientific studies on doggy humping behaviour, possibly helping explain the Mal's behaviour in licking and rolling over in conjunction with mounting/humping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I have an 8 yr old desexed female and her 2 1/2 yr old entire daughter. . . both females. There is no clear dominance . . . the mother sometimes tries to direct the pup's behaviour, without much success, and is somewhat dominant re. food. The pup is dominant when it comes to greeting people and seems to lead the hunt for gophers and other small prey. The dam humps her daughter every morning for about 20 seconds in the excitement that ensues when I first wake up and they stomp all over me wagging and looking happy. I have no idea what this means to the dogs, but it's harmless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasels Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Weasels, where are you? You have links to post! All right, fine. I'll do it. Here is a blog post by a dog scientist that has some nice basic (and uber well-informed) points about humping as well as a bunch of links to the most recent discussions (also uber well-informed) on this topic. http://doyoubelieveindog.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/a-moment-for-humping.html Sorry, I was out duck herding all afternoon! Thanks for stepping in Corvus! :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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