orrd Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 nah no crusader here, not worth the energy expenditure, my only passion is to fight stupidity and ignorance in the small ways that i can and to speak for those that don't otherwise have a voice - we are afterall supposed to be the species with the superior intelligence. so does that me a troll in yr estimation. who the hell is that person you mentioned and what did she do?? funny i already can't take my dog to dog shows, i used to do it for socialsation when he was a pup but apparantly you can't take a dog that isn't ANKC registered or something not even to just walk around - not sure if that is true but what event organisors told me, perhaps they were just scared when they got scent of a real dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) nah no crusader here, not worth the energy expenditure, my only passion is to fight stupidity and ignorance in the small ways that i can and to speak for those that don't otherwise have a voice - we are afterall supposed to be the species with the superior intelligence. so does that me a troll in yr estimation. who the hell is that person you mentioned and what did she do?? funny i already can't take my dog to dog shows, i used to do it for socialsation when he was a pup but apparantly you can't take a dog that isn't ANKC registered or something not even to just walk around - not sure if that is true but what event organisors told me, perhaps they were just scared when they got scent of a real dog. You do seem to be making some rather passionate assumptions about people you have never met? Dingo's too for that matter. With regard to Judy, it's law now in Victoria, if a dog born in Victoria, is debarked in another state of australia it can never be "exhibited/shown" in Victoria if it is owned by a Victorin resident. Before you get going about the evils of debarking, the RSPCA DEBARKS TOO. Its just that they believe its their way or the highway, in Judy's case the jail. Penalty for each offence 1 year in jail. Judy Guard debarked 13 of her show dogs because her neighbour had cancer and found any noise distressing. she rehomed one and the new owner took it for a checkup, the vet was very pro rspca and reported the dog and its breeder, it was an ex showdog. even went so far as to euthanize the dog on the grounds that it was not properly socialised. Apparently the dog did not like the vet. RSPCA seized 13 of her dogs, she pleaded guilty but unlike the RSPCA who insisted "their hands were tied, she had broken the law" when asked to drop the charges and return the dogs. the magistrate had no such problems and despite her guilty plea, dismissed the case. If the magistrate had not decided to use his discretion she by law was facing 77 years, cancellation of her membership and no longer be allowed to breed or show her tibetian's , think that was the breed, either way the breed standard describes the breed as "suspicious of strangers" thanks to the RSPCA'S temprement testing, a "breed trait" can mean a death sentance now. theres a whole thread on her ordeal. anyone? where is it? Edited October 19, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) Trying to find the Judy Guard thread. did find this. seems its still applicable, wonder what the next definition will be. Posted 08 December 2010 - 12:56 AM There is a contest at University of New Brunswick calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term. This year's term was: "Political Correctness". The winner wrote: "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end." More and more I get the suspicion this is the way new laws are pretty much formulated these days Edited October 19, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akayla Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Orrd what kind of dog do you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) my personal dogs are not pets and the price i pay as an owner is constant round the clock vigilance and never being able to relax for a minute when the public are involved, in fact they rarely get exposed to the general public and when they do its under strict physical controls and restraints, self imposed constraints by a responsible dog owner, sux for me and my dogs in some ways as they are almost completely isolated from the public and will never be allowed to just hang out at a dog show or whatever but thats how it has to be everyday for their entire existence. and when idiot pet owners with FiFi off leash comes running up barking and snarling at my restrained dogs trying to mind their own business and i have to choke my own dogs that are being assualted to stop Fifi becoming dead FIfi i'm somehow the bad guy??????? i got more to be threatened by BSL tahn most but i still support a form of it along the lines of punishing the owners. BTW before you assume i do not own bully breeds or crosses thereof. I thought this was sort of answered previously, here it is. At the time it did leave me scratching my head, are they working dogs that cant be "pet's". Cannot recall any bully breeds used for livestock guarding or working. Or what breeds for that matter can be at risk to the degree they can "never being able to relax for a minute when the public are involved, in fact they rarely get exposed to the general public and when they do its under strict physical controls and restraints, self imposed constraints by a responsible dog owner, sux for me and my dogs in some ways as they are almost completely isolated from the public and will never be allowed to just hang out at a dog show or whatever" Certainly had me wondering "what breed is that" Obviously not a dingo anyway, was the only conclusion I managed. Edited October 19, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orrd Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Orrd what kind of dog do you have? german shepherd - to the specs of the guy that created the breed, not the funny looking dumbed down ones called german shepherds by the breed registry (ok thats baiting couldn't help myself), why do you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Orrd what kind of dog do you have? german shepherd - to the specs of the guy that created the breed, not the funny looking dumbed down ones called german shepherds by the breed registry (ok thats baiting couldn't help myself), why do you ask? Why did you put what you did then? the old type dogs were heaps better soundness wise than the super new shape? although I do remember some of the old type had some serious issues re biting any not their owner and smf's endangerment as you said. One of the reasons we were not allowed to have one. A neighbour was accidently killed by his own GSD one night, he couldnt find his front door key, and it was pouring rain so he rushed around the back without calling to his dog first. He took the dog by suprise and he bit first then realised who he had bitten. Unfortunately a tooth severed the coroid artery and he died before the ambulance arrived. So parents stuck with cattledogs to guard the business and its surrounds. Had a building supply company. amazing how bags of concrete could walk before the dogs became part of the place dad used to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orrd Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 smf?? i was baiting and off topic which is uneccesary, on another thread perhaps. question, do organisors of ANKC have the legal right to ask you to remove your dog from an ANKC event cos it is not registered with the ANKC even tho it is registered with the local council?? i was not competing just socialising my pup and was not being a nuisance in any way. i complied with the order but want to question the validity of it. i will put in a formal complaint if i was lied to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akayla Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 :laugh: Ok I should probably back out now. I own a GSD and used to breed and show. For what its worth my bitch is no push over but I find what you have written quite troubling. From that alone I dont think your dog sounds much like what was originally designed either but Im going to assume thats just the way you worded it. A GSD should IMO have a very strong stable temp. and not resort to any aggression till needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akayla Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Also you do admit that the "real dog" you own was created because someone wanted something different from what was around and its believed that included crossing with a wolf? Perhaps people see something new and worth working with in the Dingo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orrd Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 don't worry not as dramamtic as i made it sound - personally i do not allow any dog unsupervised access to minors, don't care what the dog is, i get called extreme for this but hey just this last month a lady i work with left her child with a relative with a 100% safe family pet, the dog was eating out of its bowl like it had done evryday for years, this time the child was next to the dog unsupervised and kicked the food bowl out from under the 100% safe family pets mouth, never reported to police i dont think but dog now no longer lives the child screams at the sight of every approaching dog and is still getting treatment and i no longer have such extreme views?? no person here or anywhere else can say that there dog would never bite another person - that is wishful thinking, i just take it that bit further and don't give mine the opportunity, does not follow they are monsters but they are far from pets and as a responsible owner i have to take responsibilty for that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orrd Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) hey Akyala doesn't mean we cant exchange views just cos they are different - i'm all about improvement of myself and the breed i love. as far as the wolf thing, bit too speculative to comment on and if this links to a dingo context is even more speculative - i do ask you this tho exactly what traits would a dingo posses that can not be found in one of the specialist breeds selective bred for ... that exist, i am interested in your answer there are some things of interest that i know of but i will await yr reply before i mention them - just seeing where yr heads at before i bother to bother with ya. Edited October 19, 2012 by orrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 If the ANKC event is on an ANKC affiliated property or one they hold exclusive licence over, then yes, they can ask anyone they like to leave. Including badly behaved members - I would think. It would probably require them to call the police to remove the trespasser if they refuse to go voluntarily. We often have rude people walk through our dog club events - sometimes with dogs off lead (in an area that is onlead unless under supervision of the club). If they just keep walking, it's all good, but if they hang round yelling abuse and preventing us from continuing the event - we ask the police to come and relocate them. I went to quite a few ANKC events before I joined the local affilliate(s) - and nobody asked me what I was doing or whether I should be there - tho my dog is clearly a bitsa. Nobody asked me to leave. So I wonder if it was some other reason that drew their attention to you - orrd - that made your presence unwelcome. Ie did you go round loudly saying rude things about the dogs there? Cos I imagine that would get you asked to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 smf?? i was baiting and off topic which is uneccesary, on another thread perhaps. question, do organisors of ANKC have the legal right to ask you to remove your dog from an ANKC event cos it is not registered with the ANKC even tho it is registered with the local council?? i was not competing just socialising my pup and was not being a nuisance in any way. i complied with the order but want to question the validity of it. i will put in a formal complaint if i was lied to. smf = small and fluffy the rest of the question I would have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orrd Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) the event was at the local showgrounds which they would have paid to use but i as a local own the grounds more than them due to rates. i wasn't being a pain, lots of people kept trying to sell me puppies and hanging crap on the other competitors and complaining about the judges. i asked a few dumb questions like so thats a champion border collie - it must be good at herding sheep? Edited October 19, 2012 by orrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) Also you do admit that the "real dog" you own was created because someone wanted something different from what was around and its believed that included crossing with a wolf? Perhaps people see something new and worth working with in the Dingo? Well right now I have a couple of bushies in my kitchen discussing this very thread. They have known many domesticated dingos, including some whose owners were not even aware that their dog was a dingo. They cannot remember a single incident that caused any complaints by neighbours as to temprement or agression being an issue, every one they knew was an excellent happy pet. The funniest being those city folk who had rescued what they had perceived as an abandoned pup found in the bush and didnt know it was any but a lost pup. One lady for example, found hers semi paralysed with ticks, the other similarly sick and half starved near a road where they stopped for a picnic. The old bushies knew instantly though. This breeding and advertising them is a new thing. The opinion in the kitchen is there is far less danger to the public from a dingo pup home reared than any of the BSL breeds so fail to see why are the reasons against them being kept being voiced here. Edited October 19, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orrd Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 i think the only issue is the breeding and selling them part not the suitability of them as pets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) nah no crusader here, not worth the energy expenditure, my only passion is to fight stupidity and ignorance in the small ways that i can and to speak for those that don't otherwise have a voice - we are afterall supposed to be the species with the superior intelligence. so does that me a troll in yr estimation. You seem to have an awful lot to say about subjects you seem quite uninformed on yourself. Dingos are not wolves. You clearly have no idea about whether or not they can be managed as pets or not. You make sweeping generalisations about owners of bull breeds and suggest those dogs all bred specifically for dog fights. Maybe 200 years ago - but not today. Otherwise we'd all be able to hear dog fights from home. You also make a sweeping and ill informed generalisations about ANKC breeders. And also about the obligations of puppy sellers in the markets. Times are a changing - try to keep up. In QLD, NSW and Vic it is illegal to sell puppies without microchips http://www.dsdip.qld.gov.au/laws-and-codes/pet-owners.html I don't think I can point to a single post of yours in this thread where my understanding of what is fact in the world matches yours. And the things you've written about ANKC pure bred dogs specifically GSD and the breeders and the shows breach a number of forum rules and you wonder why people are getting upset with you. It's not your written expression - it's more how you think and what you think is true and you call us "stupid and ignorant" - get the plank out your own eye. Edited October 19, 2012 by Mrs Rusty Bucket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akayla Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I dont think you will find many people on here that would suggest leaving a dog unsupervised with kids. I have had a bomb proof dog but yes if anything did happen you could only blame yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akayla Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 IME and from information I have read they have an indepedence that is unlike the spitz breed. Its suggested that dogs are like young wolves mentally and others suggest highly tuned to our facial expressions and body language. They lack a sort of mental independence. Wild dogs would posses this. So yes there ARE indeed things they can contribute in the right home for the right job. As someone else mentioned stamina may be another. Ive owned a "wolfdog" (not a hybrid) and she was unlike any dog or dingo for that matter. She grasped a greater number of "commands" for a start and would fix issues she felt were a problem without prompting from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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