petmezz Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 hi all i have just been to our local obediance club and met up with a friend i made through puppy preschool. i was shocked, their pore little puppy had a chocker on and was toled to do it by the instructer :D the puppy is about the size of a jackrussel (can't rember his breed at the moment) and is most adorable ( i would love to take him home) when i asked about the chocker the owner sad "we had to because the puppy was wanting to play with the other dogs and not listening to them he was to distracted so we need to correct this, if we do it now we whont latter on." pore puppy i find this to harsh for a puppy. i asked if the dog had any socilation out of class and the answer was no, i asked if he whent for walks the answer no, i asked if they do any thing with the dog apart from feeding, they sed they traine at home and played a bit. they say he will listen at home so they whant a perfect puppy in an enviroment he is in only once a week. i find this horred that dog dosn't need a chocker and the owners don't even know how to use one properly, well most people their don't know how to use a chocker :D but still attempt to use one, :p pore dogs. i'm not totaly against chockers they have their place but people using them with out nowing how to and on a dog so young ;) sorry just had to vent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pippi Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 :D :D ;) :p How awful, couldn't agree more. I believe it is illegal to use a correction chain on a puppy under 12 weeks (in Victoria anyway). In any case poor puppy is just doing what puppies love to do and that is play and socialise - poor thing is being corrected for it !! Plenty of time for that a bit later. Some people should have goldfish..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petmezz Posted August 2, 2005 Author Share Posted August 2, 2005 (edited) lol gold fish :D Edited August 2, 2005 by petmezz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 I guess it depends how old he is, but from your post he sounds way too young for any kind of correction collar to me. IMO small puppies don't yet have the mental capacity to understand what they're being punished for, so punishing them is both unfair and counter-productive. Those people would be better off training simple foundation obedience at home, using positive methods only (recall, sit, walk on a loose leash). There's plenty of time for proofing and corrections when the pup is older. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graceless Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Ahhh.. just reading (or trying to anyway) your post gave me a headache!! I think it's a bit wrong to do that to a little puppy, however. From a skeletal perspective, isn't the dog still growing, therefore making it vulnerable to damage if the choke-chain is used incorrectly or with too much force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 OMG...a chocker on a puppy...poor thing! I wonder what sort of tools the owners will need to revert to later on if they need to?? I agree with Pippi....Goldfish - the fake ones that swim in the bubbly water that you plug into an outlet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haven Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I wasn't aware it was illegal to use a correction chain on a dog under 12 weeks (not that I would anyway). Does anynone have any links on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pippi Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Haven The Victorian Govt, Dept of Primary Industries have released a Code of Practice for the operation of dog training establishments. Comes under the Feral & Nuisance Animals Act 1994. http://www.agriculture.gov.au/product4.cfm...4=Fact%20sheets I guess to be accurate, it does not prevent you from doing what you want in your own back yard but certainly it covers anyone operating a dog training business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Myschafis~ Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 I have a 4 month old sibe baby, and i go to show training with him and was told only to use a chocker with him, he is very good with it and doesnt mind at all. Is this wrong? If so should i use a soft collar on him instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Mick no your are not wrong & if you go to dogshows you will see many pups of 3 months wearing chains & there is absolutalely nothing wrong with it. Dogs that are showen with chains are well adjusted ,outgoing & have no problems with them so dont fell pressured or worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Myschafis~ Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Didn't think so, thought i would just double check i was at kempsey show and all the pups were shown with chains. By the way im katie my other half is mick lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidoney Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 (edited) There is also a difference in the use ... from my experience, you won't find show people giving their dogs much pressure on the chain, or jerking it, it's more of a fashion thing ... turn a show dog off the ring and you don't have a show dog. Edited August 4, 2005 by sidoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Myschafis~ Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 do you show sidoney? If so with the collars is the chocker JUST a fashion thing or does it have other purposes? What is the difference in effectiveness between a soft lead and chocker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petmezz Posted August 4, 2005 Author Share Posted August 4, 2005 hi i would use a nylon limited slip coller on him (just my opinion use what you fell is apropriat). i have a 5 month old sibe and have never had a chocker on him only a flat buckell coller but i'm not showing him eather. . the difference to you is your dog knows what to do and how to act when out, and i hop it has been socialised. the puppy that i was talking about hasn't been for walks, hasn't socalised other then dog training. i was watching them use the chocker and their is no way this puppy knows what it is, and the owners don't know how to use it. in my opinion this dog dosn't need that sort off corection it just needs an owner with half a clue on how to traine him. these people seem to think a chocker will fix their problems with out them doing any thing apart from taking the dog to obediance class. i did say i wasn't totally against using a chocker and that they have their place, but i think this is wrong to subject this puppy to that considering it's limated socalisation, and training. i to am interested in showing and have seen a chocker used properly it was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Myschafis~ Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 I see, no my boy is very socialised and i have never pulled or tossed him around with a chocker he just happily trots along side me, and he gets mega play time as well, he plays with any dog that will let him, its quite funny to watch actually. Where is your sibe from out of curiousity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 i was watching them use the chocker and their is no way this puppy knows what it is, and the owners don't know how to use it. This is what upsets me the most I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petmezz Posted August 4, 2005 Author Share Posted August 4, 2005 hi my first sibe is 1 year old she was from Ulladulla, out off Arcticmate stock my puppy is from Keelinga Kennels Cowra - from imported Anadyr linage (working siberian huskies) where is yours from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidoney Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 (edited) I've used various kinds of show leads and collars ... you need something that will stay at the top of the neck when gaiting, and that lends itself to stacking in whatever method your breed uses ... I go for short leads that tuck away but some go for longer ones and drape them behind the (handler's) neck. A shorter dog will need a longer lead (obvious really!). Dogs will gait with the lead up behind the ears, sometimes with a chain, handlers will have the slip part on the side of the neck and drape an ear (if a drop ear) over it, apparently can get more height that way, although if you put sideways pressure on the lead while gaiting you'll tend to get crabbing and leaning from the dog. When stacking, some will leave the lead up behind the ears, some will slip it loose around the shoulders ... depends on the breed, see what happens in your breed. Whatever it is, there will be a reason for it. And as you can see, the different ways of doing things will require different kinds of leads/collars. For a puppy I tend to use a slim nylon slip lead in an appropriate colour, and go finer when the dog is fully trained. Could be a fine chain, could be a fine martingale. I have a rather nice, very fine, round plait leather lead that is one of my faves. Edited August 4, 2005 by sidoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Myschafis~ Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Sidoney with the chocker i can't ever get it to stay up around the top of his neck, what would you suggest to use instead? Like i said i have a siberian husky his coat being so soft doesnt help with it slipping down Pettmezz my boy is from sledforce out of Ch Sledforce Calliope et and Ch Baykalskee flying high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidoney Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 (edited) You keep it up by keeping a little pressure on it, but it's probably easier to get one of those martingale lead/collar all-in-ones that has the sliding bit to keep the lead snug. The one called "cord show lead" in the piccie has the same function but is probably a bit neater to look at ... that's the sort I've had. Although the ring may get caught in a longer coat? Dunno, I've never had a coated breed so no experience there. These kinds of leads come in a variety of colours and sizes. Depending perhaps on where you are located, if you go to an all breeds show there are usually some show equipment vans there with a good range of leads, and you can try them with your dog and see what works. The good thing about the nylon collars is that they won't cut the hair around the neck. If you have a coated dog. I don't have to worry about that!!! I had a look at the sibes on the breed pages on this site and they mostly seem to have chains, which could be the norm for your breed. But you don't lose a class because you have a slightly different collar. We managed to win Puppy of the Day at Sydney Royal one year with my slightly-wider nylon slip puppy lead (in appropriate colour). Oh and on the original topic of this thread ... I was with a group of people checking out some grounds last year (?) for a trial, and the club that is the main user of the grounds was training at the time ... pups in the puppy class had check chains on ... I was rather taken aback and I would never go and train there. Edited August 4, 2005 by sidoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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