LuvMyBC Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 has anyone got any opinions on this behaviourist in Melbourne? I am starting up Dog Training School on Sunday and would like to know what other people think of him and how well he handles the dogs. Thanks for the info, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 he has no problem with mixed breed puppies being sold in petstores, he even gives them a 'certificate' about their behaviour at the age of 9 weeks. Dont want to touch him with a 10 foot pole if thats his mentality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 A friend of mine went to him, apparently he's quite expensive and has very old, outdated ideas about training dogs, tends to train negatively not positively. She didn't finish her course, didn't like him at all. Her dog was a bit aggressive with other males and apparently the guy made him worse. She was really p****d off 'cos I think she had to pay up front. If someone's been to him and thought he was great, that's ok, no flames please, everything I've heard about him is hearsay, I've never been to him myself :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malinwar Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 i watched him attempting to train a dog once, he got nowhere with it and handed it back to the owners saying they should check his f#cking head off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 A friend of mine went to him, apparently he's quite expensive and has very old, outdated ideas about training dogs, tends to train negatively not positively. She didn't finish her course, didn't like him at all. Her dog was a bit aggressive with other males and apparently the guy made him worse. She was really p****d off 'cos I think she had to pay up front. I know Vern through a few of the training and kennel groups I associate with and he's fairly satisfied that his method of training dogs is suitable for what he wants to do. Most trainers / clubs will have their share of bad press whether they choose to be firm on the dogs or use food. I would suggest that you go along and watch to find out if it's suitable for you. If you are not allowed to se some training in action then that answers your question for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvMyBC Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 I have seen how he operates somewhat, as i go to his puppy school at PetStock - hoppers crossing. As some of you know, Winnie has leash agression. In one of my other posts i went on about how he corrected her firmly, and she improved.... it made a lot of sense to me. As agressiveness isn't covered in the course outline, he told me he would make an exception for Winnie, as she is only 5 months, and if i catch it early and curb the behaviour, she will be fine. after reading posts, i have decided to call around to see what other methods are available... I'm not really sure what sort of questions are asked though... or if anyone has some reccomendations i would be appreciative. It wouldn't hurt if i left it off for a few weeks would it? It's just that i dont want her to be a leash agressive dog, and do not want it to be left too late.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Call Australian Dog Training 9761 2772 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ablenath Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Go see Rod at Homestead Kennels in Wonga park.....He's FANTASTIC!!! Homestead Kennels Kellie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvMyBC Posted October 2, 2005 Author Share Posted October 2, 2005 OK!! i've done it. cancelled Vern Ryan.....let me tell you he was trying to convince me to stay..... he said: "just let me tell you, there's not a lot of people who specialise in that(being leash agression), so just be wary" i said "the place that i have called does actually have another border collie in the class that has the same problem as winnie, she is just a bit older" he said " yeah, but that doesn't mean that they know how to cure it" but anyway i have given him the flick. i actually feel good about it. i don't think i would have been 100% comfortable with him, as when i called around some places this morning they gave out a lot more information and offered information sessions, which is good. I'm happy i checked online to see others opinions before actually going, if i hadn't of called up other obedience places, i would have gotten sucked in, and my pocket drained.... I feel silly..... Thanks for giving me guidence. Herr Rottweiler : I called ADT, but their training sessions are on a tuesday night at 7pm and i just wouldnt be able to make it after work. Although they are sending me an information pack. I liked the information they gave me over the phone. ablenath: Wonga park is unfotunately a bit out of the way... i'm in werribee so it would take me over an hour to get there. I have called Four paws K9 Training... i liked how they sound. Has anyone been to them or know what they are like? Has anyone else got any other reccomendations that would be closer to werribee? Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 One bit of advice I may add. Sometimes it is worth the effort to travel than to settle for second best. My motto in life is, "expect the best and get the best. Settle for second and get third" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 I have called Four paws K9 Training... i liked how they sound. Has anyone been to them or know what they are like? :D If I wasn't a member of ADT, I'd be a member of Four Paws K9 Training. Like ADT, the owners/trainers there are very conscientious and knowledgable, care immensley about your dog's training, behaviour and progress and have a background in dog psychology. If you can't get to ADT, I don't think you'll be disappointed in Four Paws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvMyBC Posted October 3, 2005 Author Share Posted October 3, 2005 Thanks Erny. have you seen their little video on their website? it is so funny, i loved watching it! I got the feel when i spoke to 4 Paws on the phone that they were very friendly, and the training methods they use are motivational, and i think they are against check chains, as i was told to bring winnie in with a flat collar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Thanks Erny. have you seen their little video on their website? it is so funny, i loved watching it!I got the feel when i spoke to 4 Paws on the phone that they were very friendly, and the training methods they use are motivational, and i think they are against check chains, as i was told to bring winnie in with a flat collar. I don't think they're against check chains. They are open to using the equipment that best suits the dog/person combo ... just as ADT are. Yes I have seen their website - good job! Have fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyMuttRules Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 I had exacly the same problem as Winnie (Leash Aggression) with my older male Kelpie x. Believe me the problem does not get better until you get some professional help with someone that specialises in these types of cases. I tried everything with my dog even the obedience clubs that were offered in my area but i found that they didnt help the problem at all, in fact it made my dog worse because he was so stressed and frustrated. I tried putting my dog on a halti and also attempted muzzelling when i did take him for a walk. But in the end i didnt want to take him anywhere and he hated the walk due to the muzzell. I was at my wits end especially when my dog slipped his collar and ran towards another dog. I decided that i needed some proffessional help and so i rang Vern Ryan as i heard he dealt with these types of issues (Aggression) I was unable to do one of his courses so i decided to have a private lesson with Vern. He taught me socialised walking with my dog, this is where my dog learnt how to walk on a loose lead, therefore he would relax. I read comments posted that he trains negatively instead of positively! That i would like to say is totally incorrect. Yes he does use correction collars but if you know how to use them properly then you should never have to use them at all. Vern Taught me the importance of interpreting my dogs body language and also to constantly talk and praise my dog in a positive way. By telling him what a good dog he was when he was behaving in a way that was acceptable. My dog reponded well to the techniques used and by the end of my lesson my once leash aggressive dog was happily walking past another dog and not batting an eyelid and most importantly on a loose lead. I am now 100% confident with my dog that i can take him anywhere and know that i have full control over him, he is a much happier dog who enjoys walking and going out and Most importantly i am back in control and a much happy and confident owner. I would like to thank Vern Ryan for his expertise and guidance in helping to re-train my dog. Also i would like to comment on the point made by another member about mixed breed dogs. My dog is a mixed breed and there is nothing wrong with him nor is there anything wrong with any other mixed breed. I suggest you do some research and find out where most dogs originated from and im sure you will find that they were developed through cross breeding. Maybe you should be looking closer at your own mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim1 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 LuvMyBC I can vouch for 4paws. I know its abit of a hike from werribee but on the freeway its not too bad. Its worth travelling that bit further & going somewhere reputable and to trainers who know what they're doing and are passionate about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterpaws Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 MyMuttRules - you wouldn;t happen to be Vern would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyMuttRules Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 i dont know what would make you think that but no, i was just putting my story out there so people could make up there own minds! Sorry to disappoint, but what made you think that n e way? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 No matter which trainer anyone goes to they're always going to have people that rave about them or people who find fault with what they are doing and sometimes that can just be a opposition in personalities. I am yet to meet the worlds best trainer as all trainers have a "method" and every trainer will have something to offer unless they are a complete bone head, which you'll discover in a very short amount of time. For the people who fear the thought of trainers or schools who use correction chains, don't be! Cruelty is in the control of the owner, not the piece of equipment the dog is wearing. Some food for thought. If some believe that it's cruel to use a correction chain, then why is ok to withhold food and leave your dog hungry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 i hate the dont feed the dog so hes hungry at training attitude Your right its not the equipment its how its used that matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K9-Nutter Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 LuvMyBc.. So have you been to 4Paws yet? How did it go? Whats happening with Winnie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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