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So first its "Please help me with my puppy farm puppy. Who I bought as a pet for my child/dog. My child/dog who is acting weird which obviously means he is bored not sick. (Oh did I mention I love pet shops and backyard breeds?)" Now everything is totally fine? I don't understand why you started a thread in the first place to be honest? Hope it works out for you then. TrollTrollTrollTroll...

Photo for today 002/366 Days by Jen Martin Photography, on Flickr The set

Going to give this a try, will see how I go! I'm going to take photos that are different to what I usually photograph, try and broaden my horizons a little! 001/366 Days by Jen Martin Photography, on Flickr The set

Wow.... well the advice you have been given already sums it up nicely.. Am I the only one thinking "Obvious Troll is very Obvious"?

I belieeeve I can flyy :laugh:

I'm for it! With Roscoe and Riddick. No flickr set as of yet though.

Lol! Sway! I love the goofy ears, Riddick gets those but not quite as impressive

:laugh: Oh god. He has no idea. Love them all, making me smile on a otherwise boring day :D!

Some from a recent Lil' Rascal Pug litter FacePaw by lovemesideways, on Flickr Facepalm (or facepaw :p!) :D by lovemesideways, on Flickr Happiest face ever Omnomnom by lovemesideways, on Flickr Crazy eyed Noms

I did this topic a year or 2 ago, but its too old to bring back so I'm starting a new one Fun way to start off 2012, have a good laugh at some funny photos Derp by lovemesideways, on Flickr Goofy Kodi is very goofy! BALL!!! by lovemesideways, on Flickr Get the ball!!!! They aren't dogs but... Basil and Bronte (11) by lovemesideways, on Flickr Cats. Loving one minute... Basil and Bronte (9) by lovemesideways, on Flickr Killing eachother the next :p!

:D Yay photos! Now video :D!!! iPhone and youtube :D you can even directly upload now ;)!

Listing as anything other than a medium X would be misleading. You cannot tell what breeds are in that dog, it would be pointless to start guessing. Wow somebody call the fun police. :rolleyes: Sheesh! He very cute, I think we need more photos. To help with the analysis ;)!

I had another incident today! I was just getting back into my car after walking Roscoe, he was tethered in the back on his harness and the windows where about halfway down to let some air in before we drove off. I was standing next to the drivers side (emptying my pockets of tug toys and treats ) A woman was walking past holding her son (who was maybe 2-3?) She sees Roscoe sitting on the back seat, says to her boy "oh look a puppy!" and then. I'm still in disbelief. She walks over to the open window and started to lean forward so her sons face would be in front of the open window. Now Roscoe is not aggressive in the slightest, he is however a puppy. So he will lunge or jump at things, especially people. he was tied up but could still reach the window with his paws. I slid in between the window and the woman to stop her. Said "Sorry hes a puppy and he will jump and might hit your son with his paw" her reply? "You should keep the windows shut if your dog is so aggressive" ..... Seriously people, What, The F*@(. I would have had a go, but she was carrying her son. So I just got in my car and drove away.

Sent you a pm. Thanks :D

I've had similar situations to this. Kick them, do anything. Your pups safety is more important. I booted a large lab who charged my GSD pup a while ago. What breeder did you get your girl(boy?) from ? PM if you want :D

Ditto. There are a LOT of GSD breeders in NSW alone, go for a different one.

This thread: One side: -Gives totally reasonable and accurate explanations about training. Show videos that fully backup those training statements.- Other side: (consisting of one person, and another who just so happens to mysteriously appear now) LALALALALA we can't heeear yooou lalalalala -Ignores everything, posts videos of badly working dogs.- Lol.

Its clear that itsadoglife is only interested in controlling and being the "master" of his dog. Whether that comes through yelling at a puppy, hitting it with a belt or training with a check chain and no rewards or positive experiences. I feel sorry for your itsadoglife, I really do. I feel more sorry for your future dogs. One day you will buy a puppy or a older dog who these methods do not work for. Maybe that's what it will take for you to open your eyes.

I just don't see how you can compare a dog like that poodle, to the 6 month old Mal! Such focus and drive, totally loving the game. That is the sort of engagement I want from my puppy. This is the level we're at now (ignoring my uncoordination with the new leather tug, only the 3rd time I've used it!) At dog training, 2 friends standing right nearby with their dogs, a BBQ going on, results for the christmas raffle being called, dozens of people and their dogs barking and carrying on. Hes only 18 weeks old. And this is without correction. This is about building a dogs drive for a certain thing, in this case its a game of tug. We aren't a perfect example by any stretch of the imagination, but it just shows the power of the game for such a young dog and a fairly noob trainer like myself! Why would you use a method that isn't fun for the dog, when you can train and have a great party of a time instead?

I think most people reading this know that this is not what I have been saying. But as you have no interest in making any effort at reasonable disagreement, I'll not waste my time responding to your dribble. I have tried to be polite, I understand that people disagree on these matters and that's fine. But I see no reason why people cannot disagree without resorting to ignorant attacks upon others that they may disagree with. A method, no matter whose it is, is only as good as the person holding the lead. As such, I see no reason to continue to talking to you. Seeing as I have no wish to converse with someone who thinks screaming Out at a 8 week old puppy and hitting it with a belt equals training, at least we agree on something

How do you know this dog was trained using Koehler based methods? Poor dog and very poor work either way. Looks stressed and unsure. Dropping out of heel and then rushing forward with its ears half pinned. Nervous, even scared! Flinching when it did the wrong thing. Looking away from its handler and not at all focused. Very very shoddy heel work and positions. If you want a dog that works like that, then well thats up to you. I want my dog looking something like this though

Then I would say I feel sorry for you and your dogs in how very close minded you are. I cringe to think of the treatment your next puppy will receive if it dares to whine because it needs to pee. Or the treatment your dog will receive next time it doesn't comply with a command for some reason or another. Actually I replied with some links to basics on training in drive. Which you ignored. No, I don't mean have you read up on the basics behind training. I mean have you actually looked at the reasons behind why training has moved forward. If the Koeler method was so completely perfect, then why would dog training have progressed at all? Again, not patronizing insults. Just fact. I feel sorry for the soft tempered puppy that ends up in a home where screaming Out is the equivalent of training. The only reason I can assume you would heavily correct a young puppy who will learn a much more solid basis of understanding if you take the time to actually teach them, is because you want fast and flashy results.

Screaming OUT at a 8 week old puppy who has only been in your home for a small amount of time, is probably still unsure/adjusting to its surroundings and making noise because there are Unsure, scared, cold, need to pee, thirsty, hungry etc is not what I would call training. Its what I would call stupid. You aren't training your dog, you are scaring them into silence with no thought to why they are whining. And its not going to work half the time. In fact not only will it not work, it can go very badly indeed for the wrong temperament of dog. The point is I don't need to train dogs in the Koehler method to test it out and find its limitations, dog training has progressed past this because others already have done it. Just like I don't need to sail around the earth to find out it isn't flat, someone already did that for me. I am lucky enough to be able to take their knowledge and use it. I would love to see some video of your perfect heeling dog by the way. Perhaps your idea of "perfect heeling" is not the same as mine. From that time on, when he offends, rush back to the line-not the dog-and work your way to the collar; then give him a good shaking and sting his upper thighs a bit with a folded belt. I would call this beating your dog. Smacking a 8 week old puppy with a belt is NOT appropriate training. This was written by 1 William Koehler, whose methods you so faithfully follow and assure us are the best and most effective. So yes, I would assume you beat your dog in my sense of the word, but maybe you don't see smacking them around a little with a belt as beating. Its all training to make them perfect by 10 weeks right? I don't want my dog heeling and watching the scenery. If we are going for a relaxed stroll then sure, they can be attentive but relaxed and having a sniff around at the same time. If I have a dog who is heeling I want to achieve 100% focus. Not a dog who is vaguely paying attention out of habit and training, but not really interested. A dog who is watching me so they don't get another correction, but not focused. Not driven. I want a dog who is so excited to work with me, so totally driven that they are literally shivering with anticipation. If I can take any dog and train him with one method, I am certainly going to pick that over something the might work and might not. And I have completely sure that a heavily correction based method will not work for every dog. Simple as that. Why is fact suddenly emotional blackmail? Because you don't like it? If you took my dog Riddick and tried to train him using a heavy handed correction based method such as that created my william koehler, you would have a very messed up, terrified, shut down dog on your hands.

That's fine. Thank you for providing the quote in context. I don't train guard dogs so I do not know the rationale behind it. I feel sure that if Koehler was alive today he would simply put a bark collar on the dog - but that probably isn't to many people's liking either. I also know that many thousands of dogs in this country are abandoned and put to sleep for far less reasons than simply barking. So if you can stop the barking using other methods that fine. SO, Are you saying you would put a bark collar on a 8 week old puppy?

Sure. So can you name me a modern method that guarantees off-leash reliability (around distractions) for any breed and temperament in 10 weeks? Can you name me a method that will take your dog as a complete novice and trained him to pass a novice obedience exam in ten weeks, regardless of how experienced the handler is or isn't? Can you name me a method that has a demonstrated success rate of doing this with over 80% of clients in a class setting over a an extended period of time? Let's say ten years of demonstrated success? Let me say it again, I am perfectly fine with you choosing any method of training you wish. A person must first and foremost be comfortable and confident in the method they choose. The Koehler method is not for everyone and that's fine. But when you say there are better methods, the above is my own personal criteria for better. It may not be yours (and again, that's fine) but that's what i am looking for when someone says better. I really feel like you're missing the big picture here. You want a dog who will do all these things, do you care how he does them? Do you care if your dog can heel perfectly, even though he is cowering and working with no enthusiasm or drive. Or a dog that is reliable off leash by your programs standards, but flinches when you recall it because its expecting a correction? Or would you like a dog who heels with total and full focus on you, no fear, no boredom. Just a incredibly focus on you and giving it 110%. A dog who won't even bother to leave you once you let it off leash because nothing in the world is of any interest at all except you, you are the centre of that dogs universe and nothing else matters. And achieve this without have to beat it into you dog? I have met dogs like that. And it is a serious Joy to watch them work and train. You shouldn't be looking for the quickest easiest way to train a dog, you should be looking for the most reliable in the long run. A dog grows up, they become hardened to correction over time. Some get filled with testosterone and turn on their handler who is constantly hurting them. Others can't handle the corrections and turn into a quivering nervous wreck who snap at the worst moment, mauling a child and being put to sleep. And maybe these are only the "20%" who don't pass your program, but out of 100 dogs, thats still 20 who don't pass. 20 dogs who are not made to work with a program like Koehlers. I myself would much rather spend the time and energy on a program with a 100% success rate for every dog and committed handler. You seem like you're interested in dog training, then don't make the mistake of sticking to just one method! Open your mind a bit! Have a read of these, http://www.k9pro.com.au/pages.php?pageid=55 http://www.k9pro.com.au/pages.php?pageid=79 http://www.k9pro.com.au/pages.php?pageid=54 Don't just blatantly disagree with people have have real experience training using different methods, cause they don't work by your standard. Its been how many years since Koehler was considered the top trainer around right? So what improvements have been made to training in that time. And I'm not talking about the mentality that dogs are furry people are correcting them is cruel, cause I don't agree with that. I mean scientifically, have you actualy looked? There is so much out there, to hold onto something like this is just so limiting. I honestly feel sorry for your dog if this is all you want to do. Just so what, you can feel cool that you have a 10 week old puppy who comes off leash past distractions? Don't buy peace at too high a price.