lovemesideways

I lead him into the spare room and wait till he calms down and close the door. And, just leave him in there. Once I go, he will bark and whinge... I don't let him out till his quiets down. This can sometimes take a few minutes or this can take about 20 minutes... (thankfully I have awesome neighbours!) So when you say you wait till he calms down, you wait in the room with him untill hes calmed down before you leave? (or am I reading it wrong!) Another point is that he has to be quiet for at least 10 seconds. The general association time for a dog is 10 seconds, so if hes quiet for that. Then you can go let him out and make a big fuss. I would be marking his behaviour with a word (I use "Ah!") the second he starts to whine or bark at her. Then take him, dump him in spare room without a second glance and shut the door and leave. Let him whinge and carry on till his hearts content. Then when you get that 10 seconds of silence. Go and let him out, give him a cuddle if you want. Consistency would be the key here I think, he has to be consistently dissuaded from whinging at emmy. If he whines, he gets excluded from his pack. If the Bf gives him pats and cuddles when hes whinging, you gotta stop that too. (I can hear richie now "but but hes so sad ")

What does he do when you crate him or put him in a seperate room? What did you do? (ie. angry voice, pick him up, call him over..)

Yellow :D Unfortunately too many people think that Goldies are just long haired Labs My mum's friend gets really insulted if anyone call her GR a Labrador. So do I!!! I ADORE Labs and would love to own one one day (a black or a choc ) but I get very annoyed when ppl tell me how gorgeous my two LABS are and how they seem fluffier than usual!!!!!! Pssst Black is better. ;)

http://7pmproject.com.au/video.htm?movideo...movideo_m=64504 The clip about harry from 7pm project is there. . Dr Chris Brown has gone back up in my books for his comments, he at least didn't make a joke about it.

When we have Disney movies promoting puppies from Pet stores in subtle ways, how do we expect things to change? Seems like it won't matter, but considering how much the demand rises for certain breeds when different movies come out (snow dogs anyone?), I think it does. Ever seen "Bolt"? First few scenes shows her picking her new white shepherd puppy, in a pet store!

Makes me shake my head in disgust. what is the new law? Is it/has it been put through? I hope they don't try and pull it through into NSW.

So the lovely and amazing Ravyk has been making these cool tugs. She was nice enough to send me one for some "testing" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43VqUhEqY8 (They're on sale in the marketplace btw)

Where does it say that? it says in the declaration, "2. Has not undertaken any form of training where the dog is required to bite, or grab hold of a person regardless of whether that person is wearing protective device or clothing. This includes the activities known as Schutzhund or Dogsport. " Nothing about ANKC events. I think grumpette left out a comma... It reads very differently then. I think it should read -- No, dogs that participate in ANKC recognised events like obedience, agility, herding, flyball, tracking and retrieving are allowed to participate in the program. As in they ARE allowed. Dogs that participate in bitework are not. Oooooh that makes much more sense!

If your dog is really determined, then they're gonna pull no matter what. Training is generally needed, whether you use harness, halti or flat collar. Edit to add, Kikopup has some good videos on youtube about training your dog not to pull on a harness!

We always know when the cat Rusty has managed to get a bit of something stuck in his butt fluff, because both dogs suddenly get SUPER interested in his delicious behind.

LOL, it's a good thing everyone's different. I've got to say, I don't find either the labrador or the poodle aesthetically appealing at all. But apparently people exist that don't think staffords are handsome either (!) Definitely a good thing. I find it funny that other people took offence to this, yet I didn't and it was directed at me... ;D you'll have to meet my Labs some day, they're change your mind. I've already pulled some of the Spitz people into my lab loving world Maybe when you have been around Labradors as long as some of us you too will get sick and tired of the Lab bashing in any shape or form. Seriously doubt your Labradors will be able to convert a person that does not find Labradors "aesthetically appealing". l don't expect everyone to like/love Labradors, although it would probably be a better world if they all did , but I believe Staranais's post to be deliberately provocative to both Labrador and Poodle owners, particularly, when this thread is about the LD cross mutt. No, I don't think I will, because I don't take things like that personally . If someone thinks Labs are ugly, doesn't bother me. I took Staranais post to mean "not a big fan of the way Labs or Poodles look." Which is fair enough. Not "all labs are disgusting creatures that should be shot". Going off at someone because they have a different opinion to you won't get you anywhere, except more annoyed when they continue to have a different opinion. Or going off because you decide to be offended by the way you perceive someones comment also won't get you anywhere. I can say, God I hate the colour blue! If someone then comes up and says "OMG how dare you say that, my father had blue hair because of a rare disease called smurf syndrome and you are obviously insulting his battle to survive!". Well they can think whatever they want, when all I really meant, was I don't like that colour. I'm not a fan of tea, does that mean all English people should be offended? And my comment about converting Staranais to Lab loving, was a light hearted joke, which you obviously misinterpreted.

LOL, it's a good thing everyone's different. I've got to say, I don't find either the labrador or the poodle aesthetically appealing at all. But apparently people exist that don't think staffords are handsome either (!) Definitely a good thing. I find it funny that other people took offence to this, yet I didn't and it was directed at me... ;D you'll have to meet my Labs some day, they're change your mind. I've already pulled some of the Spitz people into my lab loving world

Where does it say that? it says in the declaration, "2. Has not undertaken any form of training where the dog is required to bite, or grab hold of a person regardless of whether that person is wearing protective device or clothing. This includes the activities known as Schutzhund or Dogsport. " Nothing about ANKC events.

Totally going to have to apply ! Rover would be fantastic. He's already a pet therapy dog with Delta. Riddick is too young though.

No idea how you could pick a scruffy mutt over this guess I'm biased though

+2 Would she put that down to the Poodles or the Labs? (just stirring :p ) You would have to ask her... I love both Poodles and Labs, but I've met bad examples of both breed.

Bullshit someone who works in a pet store can deduce which family a high drive working line shepherd should go to. Or will even attempt to try. "Wow these puppies are cute, can I buy one?" "Got a credit card?" "Yeah I do" "Then Yes you can, and you can take it home right now!"

The assumption is that they where bred by you because Dutch Shepherds are Rare. You posted on here about your litter of working line Dutch Shep x German Shepherd (anyone who has a look at your previous posts can see this). Maybe you could enlighten us as to what has happened to that litter and attempt to clear up any assumptions...

Well the ones I have met have been quite ugly little dogs with bad temperaments that I would never recommend to anyone. Coats that are so hard to manage that they're kept clipped as short as possible. All from ALA registered Breeders. They look like deformed poodles when clipped short. Where as an actual poodle looks quite handsome when clipped! I have no idea why someone would want one. A friend of my family who oversees the entire Guide Dog breeding operation in NSW (She found us both Rover and Riddicks breeders :rolleyes:!) said that she would never recommend a labradoodle because overall they have such bad or simply unpredictable temperaments. Edit to add, I have met a hell of a lot of Labradors. None have been anything like Calm (except for my 2). Calm isn't really what comes to mind when I think of a Labrador though..

<3 <3 <3 These photos are amazing! Look at my handsome boys

And what if they want a lab temperament and not the lab coat so get a labradoodle but they get the poodle temperament and the lab coat? Just a thought ... You mean a smartarse dog that sheds like nothing on earth? Seriously, though, people have a strange idea of what the Poodle temperament is. Poodles were, after all, originally bred for water retrieving and can still be all-purpose utility dogs. Amongst dogs I have bred are those with Tracking titles, Herding titles & general Obedience titles. Poodles are also VERY people-orientated. I don't think anyone was having a go at a Poodle temperament or how smart they are. I think the push for 'Lab temperament' is because we all know that Labs are the "perfect family pet" add on the "hypoallergenic" factor and you have the perfect family pet for todays allergy free lifestyle More like todays lazy ass don't want to have to clean up after the dog environment

Thats a big assumption. I do use food rewards, as well as prey rewards and pack rewards. I just dont limit myself to ONLY that. Positive reinforcement is very important in dog training, I just choose to use the other options available to me as well. Correction unwanted behaviour adds to your value, limiting availability of resources to only come from you does this also exponentially. I meant you aren't one for Only using food rewards. You use a lot of other things and don't just focus on food. So what other ways would you go about rewarding a dog like this? and a food obsessed dog with no boundries or consequences to its actions puts the owner in the place they are in now. Lovemesideways has done the NDTF course she should not be a total noob with corrections and reinforcement scedules. Food on command - the dog can expect food when you say so. So attach a command to all eating activities with the dog. Attaching a command shows the dog it will only get food from a person when commanded to do so, expectations of receiving food goes down unless in conditioned circumstance and the begging starts to extinguish itself. Every time you offer some food 'eat' or whatever you want to use. Teach the dog the leave command also, so when you dont want it to touch/eat something - LEAVE. I do it by starting with food in my fist, offer it to the dog and they will snuffle and lick your hand, eventually they give in and lean back not touching your hand 'GOOD, LEAVE!' then wait a couple of seconds "EAT, GOOD DOG" give reward. So dog is learning 1) just because it is in front of its face does not mean its to be eaten immediately (eventually, if at all) and 2) it can have rewards but on command of the handler. You then progress this to food from other people, if the dog will not turn away or goes for the grab, correct. As for the corrections - If the dog breaks and pulls over to a person, correct it. Thats just plain bad manners. Might be confused a few times but when is there not some confusion when we are trying to change behaviour? It's part of the learning process. The e-collar is for off lead when you have no physical or verbal control over the dog. Shoot off for food somewhere and get a light stim until you turn around and come back to me for fabulous rewards. Dont try and outcompete other food sources with more food unless you plan on simply carrying the best raw, fresh and stinking food around. Even then your dog will probably go for other people if it wants what they have instead of yours or you accidentally run out. The point is here the dog has learned bad behaviour. We need to show it that it is totally unacceptable and there is a required alternative we want every time. Yes I know about corrections, reinforcement schedules and training dogs. Really just because I ask a question about a situation doesn't mean I have no idea what to do. I'm just getting other peoples perspective on the matter. Rover is great dog (ask anyone who's met him), well trained, good manners. Its not like he is an out of control food obsessed dog who will ignore me. He will come back when recalled away from anyone or anything. Even if someone was to call him, if I then called, he would turn around to come back to me. Its just that he goes to get the food in the first place. I want to get rid of that behaviour of running to random strangers and sitting at their feet for a piece of food. Rather than just having to watch him like a hawk so I can call him back any time he tries it. Or that I can get him to focus on me when there is somewhere there with food, but its more of a he has to, rather than he really wants to. I would like to him want to pay attention to me more so than anyone else. He knows the leave command. You can put a bone in his mouth and he won't even budge until give the word for eat it. What are way to get it to transfer over to other people though? If a random stranger was to offer him food, he'll take it straight away. Just like if they tell him to sit, he'll leave after a reward, when with me he knows that any command means you stay there until released. I'm guessing its just what Nik was saying, I need to set it up so that, if he tries to get food of strangers, doesn't work. if he ignores that food, he then gets loads of yummy treats of me! Also if I'm training and using food rewards, and I'm not giving him a command to eat then, rather just tossing him rewards for different behaviours, will that make it more confusing for him? She can walk as long as she agrees not to let him beg at people. The point is here do you want consistancy from your dog or are you happy with things the way they are with your mothers contribution. Maybe show her some tricks using food and show her how cool it is that the dog ONLY pays attention to the person commanding feeding from the dog (like high 5's, beg, roll over etc) He isn't solely my dog. Riddick is mine, and mums happy to listen to every rule I put out for Riddick. Rover is more hers though, I'm not in a place to say "don't do this with him". If I piss her off, she can turn around and say "I don't want you training rover anymore" and I would have to respect that. She isn't a noob when it comes to training either, has owned and trained a lot of dogs over the years. Just her priority's are different than mine. It does not bother her that he goes to get food of people. As long as he comes when called, doesn't pull on lead and is generally very well mannered. If I can get to a point where, when I'm around, he won't even go to other people for food because my value is just so much greater. Then it won't even matter if mum lets him get fed when I'm not there.

Poor mum, no walks for her! When you say food only comes on command from me, what do you mean? What are some ways you would say to increase my value above the food. I know you aren't one for using food rewards. How would you do it? Also what are ways I could perhaps increase the impact of a correction on him? (if I was to correct later on)

Haha.. yes he is too smart for his own good . I've seen him sit in someone path to physically stop them walking, so they might give him a treat! He is very inventive... I'll have a think about the C/T, I have done clicker training with him, so he certainly knows what it means. Problem I would have is I have to call him away from people, so if I call him, then click. I'm only rewarding him really for that recall, not for making the choice of looking at me.... I'll have to watch him like a hawk and start C/T for any attention paid to me. Hmmmm... Do you find that treats coming from others are consider higher value to Ruby? Or is it super special when they come from you. You'll find it hard to fix the issue when she's doing this. If she won't stop, then I'd personally approach the issue by instigating a working time cue, and teach him that when he hears the cue, the only way to get high value rewards is through working with you. Same as we do with a high prey drive dog. When dog hears the cue to work, she learns that a high value reward is available, but ONLY through obeying her owner. ETA: if this were my dog, I would also correct her for it. It is not acceptable for her to beg off strangers - it's bad manners, & unsafe - goodness knows what they might decide to feed her! But I don't think it's fair for you to correct your dog for begging if he's allowed or even encouraged to beg when your mum is around. Perhaps you need to correct your mum instead. I agree its just bad manners, it really annoys me. Its also so unsafe you're right! God know what people feed their dogs, or what they've been handling. What sort of correction would you consider in that situation? A leash correction on his usual flat collar really does not even make him blink (through mum jerking it around a bit to much). Plus he is usually off leash in these situations. Plus I agree in that I don't think its really fair to tell him off for doing something when he doesn't know what he's supposed to be doing. Mum likes to say he can speak more than one language. I think thats kinda bullshit and he should have one set of rules for everything. How would you go about instigating a working time cue? Ideas would be much appreciated! ;) I wish I could correct mum! I've tried bringing it up for her and she is much more cooperative now then she used to be. I doubt that I'll be able to have her take Rover out when I'm not around, and not let people feed him though. Would love for you guys to help me out with this. Will have to think about how to do it though. Any ideas? I could incorporate that into the C/T training. C/T for whenever he turns away from one of you guys holding out food and he gets something super tasty from me. (though for Rover pretty much anything is super tasty, except microwave popcorn.) I'm pretty sure you've seen how he throws himself at peoples feet when they have food. I don't take it personally, but that level of plain ignoring my existence for someone that may have food really does annoy me . I can't imagine doing flyball or agility with him currently, since no matter how into the exercise he is, if someone was to walk past holding a piece of chicken he would be at their side in an instant. Problem is hes so dam cute about it, I need to make him a bandana or something "I'm not actually starving, do not feed me!"

So my dog Rover. Is a Labrador, and therefore he is obsessed with food. The problem is, he's a basically a food whore, and will go up to anyone and everyone who has some form of food pouch/bum bag/ hand in pocket that may contain food. Then he sits, and begs for a treat. More often than not now he will not get food off people as I am watching him constantly and won't let him go towards them. The problem is he still wants to. Given the chance he's off and begging. Doesn't matter that I have food, he has learned that he can get food off complete strangers, and hes going to try. I'm looking at doing agility or maybe flyball with him. The problem is he will race off and throw himself at anyone with a treat bag or who might feed him. He has been on lead and lunged at a stranger with a treat bag to try and sit at their feet in the hopes of a treat. We will be walking and he will hop into heel next to some random person in the hopes of being fed. The behavior has come about because my mum basically thinks its cute that he goes up to complete strangers for food. I hate it and really dislike the behaviour. My boy Riddick has been on a "Only treats come from me" policy from pretty much day one. Works great for him. I have considered putting Rover on the same thing. Problem is mum won't do the same thing when she takes him out, she lets him go to strangers and thinks "its cute". How can I increase the value for me, to the point where other people and their potentially treat filled pockets are of no real interest. Is it possible?