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Bump and edit to add, What about insurance? What kinds of insurance do you need when training others as a business?

I do think that's the biggest difference. I have been very close to both goldies and labs and they are very similar in most other traits. To me goldies seem a bit more vulnerable and sensitive. Yeah, Vulnerable is a good word for it.

I'll have to teach Riddick and make a video on it.

Sounds like she was trying to entertain herself during the boring exercise. Don't think you need to be worried, she isn't suddenly showing her "dominance" by barking. Shes just barking, cause she is a smart, excitable Labrador puppy who was probably bored.

Knees? We don't need our knees Riddick is currently learning, that "BRAKES!" Means you should actually stop before you get to me when recalled, rather than bouncing at the last minute to rebound of my legs as a way of stopping

Biggest difference in personality I have noticed is that a majority of the Goldies I have met tend to be much softer than Labs. Labradors tend to be much quicker to bounce back, rather than Golden Retrievers who I have found to be softer in temperament and attitude. I think of Labs as being very resilient. As opposed to Goldies who will take things much harder and react more. I know they exist but I have yet to meet an aggressive Labrador, stupid, boofy, out of control, over excited Labs though, I've met too many! I have however met a few aggressive Goldens. Seems to me that a Labrador will bounce back from bad experiences much quicker than a Goldie. Just my opinion though.

I would also guess you need to decide where you want to head with that business and tailor your experience to that. ie do you want to train OB- then you might want to trail first, do you want to work with dogs that have behavioural problems etc. I know that word of mouth is the biggest draw for me- its how I have ended up going to all the trainers that I have worked with, although I know most 'joe public' will probably look at the yellow pages or similar. So ultimatly your quiestions would depend alot on who you were marketing too. Thats a good point, about who I'm going to be aiming the training that. Do you think if you start with something small, like just basic OB and puppy class, that you can then expand later?

Its his "Im so sad, food will make me better.."

Rovers version of the sad face

Labradors do the best sad face

From what I can see, dobesrock has been polite and civilised in articulating her views and has not sought to demean and insult others. Others responding, regardless of whether they agree with her views would do well to emulate such conduct. It doesn't really matter how 'right' a person's convictions are if the message is distorted during the communication process or the person's inability to express himself/herself articulately makes others dismiss that person as an ill-mannered boor. :D Since when were you appointed the DOL Police to monitor and comment on other's posts just because you disagree with the way they communicated their opinion. For godsake this is a public forum and people have differing styles of communication so it's totally unrealistic to expect everyone to be "nice" and articulate themselves in the manner you expect. I really don't think we need a lesson in communication from you. Not being able to articulate their views to your liking does not make them ill-mannered boors I think its fair enough to want someone to be polite. They do have every right to want everyone to be polite. Same as you have every right to tell her to piss off

Closest one I know to you is still atleast 3 hours away I think.. bit far Its in Bulli

If mum was to pass away, Rover would me mine. If I was to, Riddick would stay with Mum If we somehow all (mum, dad and I) weren't able to look after the dogs, then there would be a battle over who got to keep the dogs . I felt a little bad when my Sister asked "Oh you would give the to me first right?" Me..."Uh No." Shes not exactly my ideal owner for Riddick or Rover.

http://www.warringah.nsw.gov.au/services/d...ig_day_out.aspx Anyone else coming along? Rover, Riddick and I are happy to meet anyone! (Look out for the sexy black Labradors and their nerdy owner )

Woo happy birthday Diesel!

This is like Zero too - give him a tug toy and he'll growl at you while he's tugging. I know what Zero's growl sounds like and it's nothing like the low, deep growl he used to get when he wanted to get aggressive with something. He also growls out of excitement sometimes (like when we go to Nik's house to visit ahsoka, jedi and fable and there's a whole house full of dogs there) - he would never get aggressive with Ahsoka and yet, he will make this growly noise at her. While Soaks is bouncing all over his face

So basically, like I said. Puppies are products that you sell and have to make sure are "in stock" You're proud that you've sold "literally thousands of pups over the years", god knows how many have been put down or are in pounds right now. Probably a high number of the vast majority. Inspecting the premises was meant to point out the extreme, that is what a rescue will do, a good breeder will spend quite a while emailing and phoning you, to get the general gist of where you live. But again like I said, I guess that the credit card details are plenty :D if you have puppys "in stock" of course! There has been one recorded incident where you where stupid enough to sell a puppy to a home where it could have been either scarred physically, or mentally scarred for the rest of it life. Ha Ha but is ok right? They got a refund, puppy got sold on. I hope you at least warned the new owners that the puppy was in that situation and may have issues from it. Oh and I used Bark Busters as a example of a dodgy training company that I know a lot of really horrible pet stores (the awful kind that sell puppies) tend to use. I'm sure your "volunteer agility instructer" is really the person to help when you have a potentially fear aggressive puppy. Good to know you like to keep all the money in store and not recommend out! Don't wanna lose any of that $$ right? The number of puppies you sell doesn't mean you're doing a good job. It just means its easy as hell for someone to walk in and buy a puppy. Why do you think people order puppies of the internet? Same deal. Its easy and its quick. Doesn't mean they work. Just means that people don't know what they're doing when supporting BYBs and Puppy farmers (the kind pet stores buy puppys from, like yours ) So you do keep puppies stuck in windows all day. (unless taken out to show of the stock!) I reckon a puppy can suffer from lack of stimulation, or could develop issues over people being behind a glass wall out of reach constantly. Of course you didn't change my opinion on anything, because I actually care about my dogs. They aren't "products" who are used only for their money value. They're mine and my responsibility for life. I see a litter and don't think $$$$!

Could you list some please? For reasons of confidentiality they don't want their names made public, especially given the possible hostile reception from other registered breeders. There are some breeders that do not wish to deal with the general public. Some do not have either the time or inclination. One I remember had a complete litter stolen and so he preferred to sell his pups to me rather than advertising. Also, some live in very remote locations and its easier for them to book them into my shop the day they are born and then they don't have the problem of selling them. Now to answer some of the other questions and to make a few comments. As to what happened when they start getting to big/old, the answer is simple. As soon as it looked like becoming a possible problem, we cut the hell out of the price. Better to get some money, even if its a loss making position, then get nothing at all. Our pups were fed on Eukanuba, so its not like they were being fed cheap junk. The pups did not stay in the window at night, we had huge pens out the back of the shop. As far as stimulation is concerned, they were handled (and played with) by the staff, and also customers. They got lots of love and attention, and play time. We also tried to match up the right dog to the right home and were mostly successful. Many times someone would come in and want to buy say a Jack Russell and it would have been totally the wrong dog for them, so we would invariably talk them out of it and into the right breed for their lifestyle and circumstances, even if we didn't have it in stock. We had a book of people waiting to buy various breeds and as most breeders booked their pups in when they were born, we knew what was coming our way. It was not worth our reputation to knowingly sell the wrong dog into a bad situation. Also, because we were not in a shopping centre, most people came to us because they knew they wanted to buy a pup, rather than it being an impulse decision. Yes, there were some impulse buys, but they normally worked out for many reasons. Normally the buyers already had dogs and knew what they were getting into, or they had been thinking about buying one for ages and then saw what they had been thinking about. We also spent about an hour with each buyer after they said yes going through what they needed to do and encouraged them to contact us if they had problems or concerns. And of course, the time spent after the decision to buy was made was in addition to what was normally an extensive period of discussion prior to the decision. Finally, I point blank refused to buy from puppy farmers or bad breeders, registered or otherwise. I might add, there are some fantastic breeders who are now classified as BYB because they want nothing to do with Dogs NSW. There are also some terrific BYB that really know what they are doing. And like all areas of life were there are good and bad, there are some horrendously bad registered breeders out there that will put main registration papers to rubbish quality pups. That is not meant to be confrontational, just the facts of life. I still don't believe anyone who is breeding dogs to improve the breed is going to pawn them off to you because its "easy". That isn't someone I would consider a good breeder at all. Even the fact that you say you don't have a puppy "in stock" leads me to believe you think of dogs a different way to I do. There is no way someone walking into your store in the morning and walking out that evening with a puppy could have been put through all the necessary assessment for a new puppy owner. Do you inspect their premises or at least ask them where they live? Or is some credit card details good enough for you :D? Do you make sure that their current dogs are going to be happy with a new puppy? If they already have dogs that they say are "mostly fine, though sometimes a bit snappy with puppies, but mostly fine!" I'm assuming you would refuse them a pup (for its own safety), untill you can further assess the situation. I guess that wouldn't be very lucrative though, so you would probably just laugh it off and say oh the puppy will be totally fine. After all, if their dog attacks your new puppy, who cares? Not like its the stores fault! If they pick the shyest puppy in a little who is a bit scared sitting in the back (because its so cute and small!), do you inform them of all the training they should be doing? or do you have someone like "bark busters" who pays you to advertise for them? So that when problems crop up, you give them some business and they keep paying you to advertise. So your puppies stay in big pens out the back over night huh. I'm assuming there is a person who stays with them or is at least on the property still, they have heated areas that are fully sheltered. They are walked and have stimulation individually daily and aren't just locked in tiny pens all day. The interaction between all puppies is supervised. I'm also assuming that your puppies are not kept in the undersized glass boxes that I find so disgusting. They must be in large free pens with a store person watching them constantly, and they have a separate area specifically for toileting. Not allowing people to poke, prod and stare all day. Or is it better if they're in the window, to up the cute factor and make people more willing to buy buy buy! If you had puppies in that where staying longer than you had originally planned, you would be sure to make sure they achieved all the necessary socialisation that is required for a puppy of that age, right? Or no do you just "cut the price!" to make sure you can still make some money at least. Because puppies are just another object you sell, like poo bags, or bags of food, right? If someone had a puppy that develops a genetic disease and costs them thousands, they know they can come to you for help with payment or at least advice? Do you give health guarantees? Or just offer to take back the "broken" dog and replace it with one of your new fresh batch, just in stock! You say you refuse to buy from puppy farms or "bad breeders". So does that mean you have personally inspected every breeders facility before you will accept pups from them? Bit hard if they're soooo far out. Genuine questions here btw.

I'm Riddicks person and he's my boy <3

Is that something designed to get you to fall in love with the puppy and buy it the next day??? Who could give a puppy back after a day? Im sure thats the plan. Also saves the pet store having to think of any plans for the puppies at night time. Im sure the member "fixed views" are due to the Fact that pet stores sell dogs from either BYB or worse, puppy farms. I'm dying to know the know the reasons why ethical breeders would want to sell their puppies to pet stores?

For one thing, I'm guessing you mean the method created by William Koehler? Dogs don't "blame". Not the way a human does. Like Nekhbet said, they learn through either operant or associate conditioning. If I ran at my dog yelling and then threw him to the ground and rolled him around, he would freak out. Shut down and not function properly for the next few hours. Thats right, HOURS. He is very soft, and any kind of correction effects him extremely badly. It would drastically effect the confidence I have worked so hard to build. Exactly. Opposite reaction that my dog would have, but proves the extreme reactions a dog can have to something like that.

eh working line Malinois vs commodore interior. she's even ripped the spare tyre up out of the well it sits in. My fault for not crating her as she's trained never to burst one of those (thank christ) I'd want to see the dog and the situation before e-collar. I'd be seeing whats in the soil too, there could be something in there driving her bananas and encouraging her to dig. barking at birds though is usually prey drive towards a moving stimulus. Once thats cemented that is a pain to try and fix at times especially in active easily stimulated working breeds. Actually I'm surprised thats one thing my Malinois doesnt care about your poor innocent commodore. It never stood a chance Indigo who's the boss you or the dog. You are the pack leader and the dog does as you say. You also say this....she heels when I insist. Well insist she doesn't dig. You also say she isn't destructive in the house....of course not, you can get to her quickly to correct her. Now nobody tell me I don't know what I am talking because I do. 1. Instructor at obedience 2. Titled dogs in obedience 4. Passes at Best in Trial level 5. Held an obedience judges licence. When you find the dog digging, run towards her making loud noises. Push her to the ground and roll her around manhandling her. This is what the pack leader would do if she disobeyed. Oh come on. Where is rolling a dog around on the ground going to do anything but freak out the dog? If you're going to instruct someone to use the alpha roll, without first knowing anything about that dog or its situation, then at least try and tell them how to use it properly. Without "rolling them around on the ground" Or better yet, don't recommend something like that... Let her know it is wrong to dig. If that fails think up things that are displeasing so that when she digs she will blame herself for it. Dogs don't "blame themselves." Not in the same way a human does. The point of a correction is that the dog will stop doing whatever they're doing. Either because they want to avoid a correction, or because they're associated that act with a correction. Its not that the dog feels bad about what its doing and says to itself "oh that correction was all my fault, darn " It's also very easy with electric collars. Put one on her and let go out side and when start to dig zap her. If you are not standing close to her and do this every time she starts to dig she will soon blame herself. When using an E-collar, you don't just put the collar on and give her a zap. You first have to make the collar mean nothing special, or she'll learn that collar = zap. No collar = free digging time! And you would also need a real trainer to come in and check out whats happening. There way be something going on that the owner just can't see. No fault of the owners, but when you see something often you might miss out on something! Make the dog blame herself for digging. She will soon learn that digging brings bad results for her and she will think she causes it and should stop. Just make sure you are well away from the dog when she gets zapped in this case you want the dog to blame herself. If you want the dog to blame you and see you as pack leader, try the first method.

Where did you get that previous experience? If you don't mind me asking.

How did you get started? What sort of training did you offer when you got started? Did you know a lot? How did you learn everything you know now (experience, courses, books, mentors..)? If someone was looking at starting up their own dog training business, what would you suggest they needed. ( I know insurance is a must, though not sure what kind or where to get it!)

Would there be a way to correct this sort of behavior? I've heard of self rewarding behavior such as barking at birds (Bark, bird fly, Ooh Exciting Bark Bark Bark) being corrected with an E-Collar used by a trainer. What do you think Nekhbet? Ouch about this inside of your car too! And to think my cat did much more destruction than my dogs have ever done. Oh and plus with cats, you know they aren't bored. They're just doing it deliberately as revenge O_O