Diva

Judges are taught from the Standard not the extension. if the extension is not used in training judges, why does the ANKC site say that 'Extended Standards are compiled purely for the purpose of training Australian judges and students of the breed'? I don't know why, I just know what they are taught. So do I. Training may vary from state to state, but I'd have to hear from recently qualified Terrier Group judges across the country that they are taught to completly ignore the breed extensions written expressely for the purpose of assisting their training before I'd believe it for a moment.

Judges are taught from the Standard not the extension. if the extension is not used in training judges, why does the ANKC site say that 'Extended Standards are compiled purely for the purpose of training Australian judges and students of the breed'?

The AST dealt with this issue in the extension to their standard.

I've quite a lot of sympathy for your pov raz, but I think it's the industry leaders that need hauling over the coals on this one. You don't have to be an animal liber to recognise how horrendous what has been going on is, and I am glad they have put the spotlight on it - and if industry has been taking steps to fix it, they have been too little, too slow, and even perverse. It's a burning platform issue now - and industry are the ones who let it get there.

Nice coincidence Cairo, well spotted!

My first concern is the welfare of my dogs. There are plenty of sensible and knowledgable dog folk who will identify their most beloved breeds as being frequently inclined to dog aggression. I'll take that honesty and insight over facile political correctness anyday, sorry if that shocks.

I keep my dogs away from dogs of breeds that I believe have a general predisposition to fight, unless I know the individual dog well and that it isn't a danger. I also give a wide berth to one other common breed that has attacked us in the past, and which seems to have quite a few individuals with unreliable temperament. If I didn't use what I have learnt about those breeds to keep my own dogs safe, more fool me.

That's hilarious

You get a lot more diverisity in physical attributes amongst dog breeds than in the general human population, and we've bred strong preferences for certain types of activity into some breeds to. Different breeds have different playing styles, for one thing. My dogs run and chase to play. They don't much like dogs that body slam and wrestle in play, and if I ever got a different breed I'd certainly bear that in mind. Not that you can't manage quite different breeds together, but it depends a bit on how much management you want to have to do.

I've had mine for 20 years and still not bred, but I think I'm waaay down the end of that bell curve I think it's often hard to obtain a main registered bitch to breed to an existing dog, unless you are known to breeders and/or the dog has a few accomplishments under his belt. I agree with the suggestions to show the dog or trial him in the obedience ring before chasing a bitch - at least then breeders will know you, know that you have some staying power and aren't all talk, and they will also get to see the dog.

Well done, glad he is over being a princess, LOL. Congratulations to Keshwar!

How'd you go ssm?

The $99 ones at Tuggers when I was there were the 2.4 x 2.4 Oztrail Market Gazebo, same size as the Compact but slightly different construction. There was a thread about the Market ones a while back.

Good idea, the button is tempting to him and once he sees that stuffing it's a big game. Some dogs just like to rip stuff up, especially at 7 months, and it doesn't necessarily mean there is anything wrong with the leadership of the owner. Like wuffles, I can see a loose connection, but not a big one. Upping his exercise might help, but managing it through the teenage years by removing or minimising temptation helps too. If there is a suitable place to confine him away from temptation when you are all out it would help but it depends how long you are away for. Some dogs never outgrow it, but most do. I came home once and mine had pulled every little sprinkler head out of the trickle irrigation system. She hadn't chewed anything, but the little sprinkler heads had become fascinating and she had tracked the pipe all over the garden and extracted them. All I could do was laugh and put them back (but out of her sight).

I hate lugging all the gear too - but you might be fine going back to an umbrella in sunny Qld. This time of the year in Canberra I'd freeze my toes off !

LOL. I should go get myself a real life, shouldn't I....

frenzied, you posted that lamb bones give your old girl horrendous runs, and lamb is the principle protein in Black Hawk I think - so you may want to watch that.

Yes. Although in a numerically small breed you might have the only one of your breed in that age class and not have to run off against anyone to be, just for example, junior of breed. Then all the breed class winners get judged at group level, then the winner of that at show level. When people say they won a 'class in group' or 'class in show' that's what they mean - eg baby puppy in group or intermediate in show, and so on. For your first few shows just hang around near the ring until your breed has finished judging and you won't have any chance of missing a call to go back in for a run-off. But you'll soon get used to how it works and know if you're needed or not.

Dogs under six months of age are not eligible for challenge. So the male and female baby puppy class winners compete for baby puppy of breed, the winner of that competes for baby puppy of group, and the winner of that for baby puppy in show - but you are correct they don't compete for the challenge. Puppy class is over six months, so the male and female puppy winners compete in the challenge line ups. But they also run off for puppy of breed, then group, and show, as above.

Not many posters have cried shame, but most of us have advised a high degree of caution. And for very good reason given the stories I have heard about the way this procedure is being pushed. It may be necessary for this dog, but I think we all agree that a second opinion would be a very wise move before doing anything.

Will do

I could probably guess the clinic, they are notorious for it.

I bet she's grown since we've seen her!

I've heard of this operation recommended for pups with no clinical signs, from breeds with a very low incidence of HD, and which a second opinion from another vet revealed to have completely normal hips, so I'm pretty sceptical about it. I'd also recommend a second opinion from a specialist or at least more experienced vet at a different surgery. And if the hips are assessed as normal by the second vet, I'd drop the first vet as quickly as I could, as a scammer.

No not yet. I don't think I am going to make it anyway, but no numbers have arrived as yet.