Steve

Sorry guys still not here. I believe they will be available via dogz Julie

Im disappointed too I want to see her behind bars.

Please do tell me how to treat the immune system...nearly 4 years on and 1,000 treatments later and not one has worked. Treating the immune systems means you need to look at it holistically and do what you would do for yourself if you have a condition which is immune related. Diet,environment ,medications, exposure to chemicals etc all have to be taken into account and there are some natural products very famous with good science to back them up for correcting immune related issues which the vet is unlikely to have an idea of.

Do you mean you took the dog to the vet for a skin problem the first time when it wasnt insured,then got insurance and later claimed for a different skin condition? Lets talk about the skin condition for a minute - not regarding the insurance but from the health point. No matter what the skin condition is or what triggered it what you see is only a part of what is going on. Its a symptom of something else which is going on with the dog's immune system and its why you often see the first signs of it around 4 - 8 weeks after a vaccination. The vet will treat the symptom but if you stand back and treat the immune system you have a greater chance at success for the rest of the dog's life and it wont cost you a truck load of money.

Any that you see which raise suspicion take to the cops. This is fraud and it makes everyone pay for their bloody filthy behaviour.

Bastards I hope they get busted.

Go to the police.

Looks like its been lifted from here http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=htt...600&bih=785

Well I know that this may make me a bad breeder but I have a litter of Maremma pups here. Bloody hell they are beautiful and Id really like to keep em all. Each and every one does me proud. There were a dozen in the litter and I dont take a waiting list because when I did I had up to 100 on it and that seemed pretty stupid to me. Im so old and been breeding dogs for so long that these days at least some - usually most - of each litter go to homes where they already have a dog I bred. Anyway all of this litter was sold before it was 4 weeks old with the exception of the one I was keeping . They are just 8 weeks old and one of the people who were buying one has had a major personal unexpected drama and they are no longer able to take one of the puppies so here I am - bad breeder that I am - with one baby girl left and no home to send her to. These babies grow like weeds, they soon become less cute, eat you out of house and home and if they are going to working homes there is only a short window of about 4 weeks for the optimum time for them to begin their working lives. You can get the job done after that but its a much easier process if they are young. With this breed if I keep them here and put them to work around next March I can sell them for several thousands of dollars to farmers who are desperate to take an adult dog already working and thats what I will do if she isnt sold in the next week or so but that doesnt suit me much this time and Id rather she went off to a new home sooner rather than later. So if anyone sees my ad for a Maremma baby girl even though I know that will make me look like Im a bad breeder and I should have had homes for them before they were born the ad is going in. Im good with that ,who ever takes her into their homes will be good with that and if anyone else has a problem with it - please- keep it as your problem and dont show how ignorant you are out loud.

Before anyone starts using Ivermectin please take into account that some breeds have a sensitivity to it. I have some stories which would tell me not to give this to pregnant dogs let alone pregnant dogs of some breeds.

The two big deals for puppies are hook worm and roundworm. Both of these sit in the bitches uterus and are activated to cross the placenta around 2 to three weeks before the pups are born. Worming a pregnant bitch is not just no good for her but its a waste of money because the drugs dont kill off the worms in the life stage they are in when you are worming her.You wont kill off the worms in her system, milk nor in the puppies. Here is the easiest way to answer the question. Would you take these drugs yourself especially unless you were sure you had worms if you were pregnant? Buying a microscope and learning what to look for in poo makes more sense to me than worming a pregnant dog - just in case - especially with ivermectin. Most times I use Fido's Closasole. Which is levamsole and niclosamide - does the job every time for all bar heartworm and hydatids and costs around 5 cents each. I worm the bitch when the pups are a few days old and everything at 2,4,6,8 weeks.

Yep.

I agree with this - I think. The ANKC see this as a win and it is for their breeds and their members but everything has unintended consequences. Im not sure when this is tested its going to be enough. I am also less confident that someone who has a pedigree to produce or DNA to prove parentage of two dogs with ANKC registered pedigrees which is not registered with the ANKC - because they choose not to be a member - can be discrimminated against at law. Can the law force you to be a member of and pay money to register your pedigrees in order to have the same rights as someone else? I dont think so. Will people who shouldnt be breeding these breeds become registered breeders and ring in dogs and breed away from the breed standard? Definitely.

Its time we all stopped this crap and started thinking it through rather than running on with what animal rights have been pushing. Every where you turn someone is giving advice on how to choose a good breeder and cutting the odds of getting an unhealthy puppy and giving as part of the answer that the puppies are registered with their state's canine councils. The open book exams are nothing but a PR exercise and tell you nothing more than anyone could get out of reading a book or surfing the net. The codes of ethics are less stringent than any of the states codes of practice for breeding dogs an no state Canine association can prevent their members from selling puppies to pet shops. This rubbish about how reputable breeders will have waiting lists and dont need to advertise is also perpetuated by idiots who dont have a clue. The ONLY thing a regsitered breeder can give you that any other breeder cannot and the ONLY thing you or anyone can be sure of is that they can give you an ANKC REGISTERED PEDIGREE with your puppy. Why would someone want to do all of the vet checks and then not register their puppies? Because they want to breed healthy puppies.Do you seriously think that only registered breeders are interested in that? Up until around 15 years ago in most states you could go to a registered breeder and buy a purebred pup intended as a pet and not get papers with them.You didnt get papers unless you intended to breed purebred registered pups or show your dog. Then someone decided it would make the CCs more money if breeders had to register all of their puppies and provide rego papers with all pups they sold so they introduced pet and main papers - for no other reason but to get the registration money from the pet puppies which until then just went home with maybe a hand drawn copy of the pedigree. Other states were slower and its relatively recent that breeders in WA have to give out rego papers with every pup. In NSW you have to pay the money to register all puppies in a litter and give the new owner the pedigree in the hope they will change over the registered pedigree from the breeder's name to the new owners name and therefore get double the rego money.The pet buyers never do but its worth a try. Under the old system if they bought a pet pup they didnt have the papers so if they wanted to breed it there was no point because puppies without papers were worth nothing.If you had purebred pups without papers you were lucky to get a dollar for them. They were the same dogs, the buyer didnt want papers and the breeders didnt want to give them papers but the CCs saw money so everyone gets papers and thats held up as some evidence that the breeder is doing a whole bunch of things that anyone else breeding pupppies cant or doesnt do. Back then if you wanted a purebred pup without papers you went to a purebred breeder - now you can go to a purebred breeder who doesnt register their pups which is what we used to be. What a load of rubbish. Go and take a look at the NSW accredited breeder program that is about to come in and that simply has breeders agreeing to basic stuff like following the law and things that everyone has been telling us registered breeders have been doing all along and it still doesnt guarantee that anyone who is accredited is a good breeder and it implies anyone not accredited is not even covering these basics! THE REASON people should be breeding registered dogs is because it enables them to research the pedigree for genetic issues which they can then eliminate and breed away from. Every breeder should be making it their business to know not just what is in their back yard but what is in the ancestry of whats in their back yard to know where the carriers and affecteds are in a pedigree. Some of these things now have DNA tests available but there's a hell of a lot of them - thousands as a matter of fact which are 20 or so years away from finding an answer if we ever do and the ONLY way to be sure you are working towards this is if you know what came before them. Any one can breed a dog, anyone can breed a champion, anyone can breed a working dog but it takes a hell of a lot more to consistently breed healthy dogs with a lessened chance of it being affected by problems. It makes no difference if you breed lots or hardly any though the more you breed the more chance you have of spotting a problem and being able to take adequate steps to eliminate it . Much harder if you only have a couple of dogs and only breed a litter a year. It makes no difference if you advertise them in newspapers or websites. it makes no difference if you show them, or work them or do agility with them. In fact it makes no difference if you are registered with a CC as a breeder or whether you put your puppies out with rego papers. I use registered papers to breed my pups because its a better way of being able to attempt to track whether or not someone's nana had alllergies, or vaccination reactions, or crook hips etc and its a thousands times better at eliminating polygenic issues than any amount of screeening or testing will ever be on its own. I register my puppies because it enables me and any one else who wants to breed a puppy from what I have had a role in breeding the opportunity of keeping a record of where the problems may show up and which dogs may need to be taken out of the gene pool. I could do exactly the same if I only used registered dogs or pedigrees which were not registered that I trusted or if I wasnt registered and the puppy's pedigrees were not registered as far as healthy puppies for my future generations were concerned. However, that wouldn't be doing the breed as a whole any good nor any breeders who want to be able to use any of the dogs I bred to better their breeding programs too. Then of course there are the other two issues and if I don't somewhere or somehow factor in how the dog looks and how it acts over a couple of generations Ill get dogs which may be healthier and less likely to go home to my pet buyers needing vet treatment but they wont look or act like they should look and act to enable my puppy buyers to be able to predict their management issues ,have them well suited to their lifestyles and live happily ever after with them.They dont all have to look like champions as a first priority but how they look has to be a PART of how I select too. Now anyone especially any breeder who says that because a dog is registered with a CC so therefore its the same breed and thats all they need to consider as in the OP has a real lot to learn. Any one who says there is a long line of champs in the pedigree and they are breeding dogs which win in the ring and thats all they need to consider has a lot to learn. Anyone who says a breeder tests for certain known heritable genetic issues and so therefore there is a lessened chance of the dog being affected by health issues without considering all of the others and not just one or two which may show up has a lot to learn. Its time people considered just what breeding for the betterment of the breed really meant and worked out it has only a little to do with show dogs. None of this has even touched on nutrition and other husbandry issues or a bunch of other political things - but assuming someone has the knowledge and what it takes to breed great dogs based on whether or not they are registered with a state canine association is the biggest obstacle to educating those who are breeding and those who are looking at buying a pet purebred pup. When we screen people who join the MDBA as breeder members this is what we are looking for - either the understanding of what it will truly take to breed a great pup and the desire to learn or those who have already worked it out. Whether or not they show their dogs or register their dogs on an ANKC registry is only a part of what we consider when we do this. The reality is every day I think over whether being an ANKC registered breeder is truly the answer to ensuring less dogs suffer into the future. Everyone is a new kid once and there are none among us who havent made mistakes but if we are serious about getting it right and ensuring less dogs suffer its time we started looking at it from a reality base rather than starting at the crap. When you find a great breeder you know the difference but to assume that anyone is that just because they breed registered dogs is crazy. Anyone who is a registered breeder with the ANKC and assumes thats all it takes to be counted as good let alone great are missing a very large piece of the puzzle.

We are hoping that it will be less than 12 weeks for the shep. The guy has had a marriage break up and left his two dogs with friends until he could find a dog friendly accommodation but the people minding them shot one.[no good reason and its been reported ] So he is living in the Coogee area and is deperate to have someone look after the dog or will have no choice but to hand it over to rescue. He loves her to bits and really wants to keep her but has put his job on the line now to drive 600 kilometres to pick her up. The Albury [ two little dogs] one is a challenge because they need to stay as close to Albury as possible. Dallas has them at the moment but needs to move them on asap. We have had the grey in Sydney in foster care also and its been a perfect dog but the foster carer needs a break. The owner has been visiting this one and taking it home sometimes for sleep overs so if possible the Ryde area in Sydney would be a good thing if we could. If not we will have to consider moving them out to other areas especially the shep because that one is really urgent.

We are in desperate need of a foster carer in the Sydney area for a 2 and a half year old desexed german shep x lab. Also in the Sydney area for a grey hound and Albury area for two little dogs. All good with kids and other dogs and cats. If anyone can help us out please call me These are all much loved family pets who need to be looked after until their owners can be re united with them. 0269276707 Julie

No sign of them here yet - still waiting but will get them out asap. Julie

Yep I have but I don't class breed characteristics as bad habbits.

VadersMum your puppy already has insurance to cover him for 6 weeks after he came home as I activated it as he was leaving here. By now you should have received papers from Pet plan to offer you the option of taking out further insurance with them. Julie

No I dont think thats already a done deal and in my opinion it never will be but it is already a done deal that there will be some law changes to make life harder for breeders because both sides of politics in Victoria have said they will do that if they come to power. No one knows what they are yet and here's hoping that before any new laws come in we will at least get to say something . Dont get sucked into this - its not good for you or your dogs. All we are discussing here is the fact that there are already laws in place and why I dont support rallying for more laws or more powers for enforcement. There is no bill yet and there is nothing as yet on the table which is specific to these things - there is definitely time right now to research and come up with potential alternatives and counter arguments.But in my opinion trying to make a difference via things which have been presented here isnt the best battle plan and thats what we need to be looking at. Right now you can bet your life that someone is drafting what they think is the preferred changes to present to which ever party wins. First things first - letters need to go to the people you will have a chance to vote for - not to tell them about how great purebred dogs are or how much more special we are but to ask them what their level of understanding is of the issues and what they think is the best method of dealing with them- one of the big issues is what they think of giving more powers to the RSPCA. Then you know which one you agree with more based on these issues which are important to you,which ones you want to educate more - you can share their repsonses and begin to make a battle plan based on the facts of where they are coming from and likely outcomes etc. We cannot keep thinking we are special and therefore exempt from anything which may be introduced.we cannot trust Vic dogs to adequately represent our interests. Every person who owns a dog needs these questions answered BEFORE THEY VOTE and every person who is running for office needs to know what their constituents think rather than what the noisy mob calls for.

Yep thats it. Education and peer pressure. Not new laws and not more enforcement power. Vicdogs should consider more about what they need to do to support and protect and promote their members and stop playing politics with RSPCA animal lib and playing around in areas that is not their business. Why is Vicdogs writing letters to a shire council to try to block a DA from someone who wants to breed cross bred dogs? Not their member not their dogs nor their business. Why ? Why didn't we stand on the steps of parliament house and tell them that they were stupid when they told us we had no right to make decisions on what we think is best for our dogs because now and then some idiot doesn't look after theirs well enough? Bloody hell in NSW they even tell us we cant feed our cats in the same room we have their water bowls. How many more regs and rules and laws do you want? Its already so over regulated that its a joke.Why on earth have we allowed them to tell us we cant decide how and when to breed them? When laws which would see an old lady of 70 plus charged with 40 plus counts of animal cruelty for taking her dogs to a show were being drafted it was then that there should have been a rally, it was then that we should have said "since when do we need council approval to have a vet take out our dogs noise when we don't need council approval to have the vet kill it?

When Pacers was working with people after the bushfires we had to help puppy farmers as well as any dog owner or breeder and the numbers of puppy farmers around Bendigo,Shepparton and Albury blew me away. Some of these breeders are CC registered and sell off their older dogs to an agent who travels around their farms to "help them" and take their old breeding dogs off their hands. These dogs are sold off as "rescue dogs " as breeding pairs, or already pregnant or entire.A breeding pair of Chi's went out to a new home where the owner was told they would have a bonus of new puppies to help cover the expense of the purchase with in a week or two. A couple of these breeders had state of the art kennels which housed 300 plus dogs others were breeding them in old barns. Last month we had a puppy farmer who lives in Victoria who applied to join the MDBA. When we checked em out to see if they were eligible to get in - They own over 200 dogs and breed under 5 different prefixes.They are members of NSW and Victoria CC and use different addresses and different names.They have 5 different websites and breed their dogs in a disused shearing shed. You would hear their name and think they were the antz pantz because of their wins in the ring. Nothing Vic dogs or government do will stop people finding ways around things if they want to especially when money is in the mix. Bring in regs to stop people from breeding every season and all they did was register extra girls in their litter..A well known respected breeder offered me papers and no dogs with them for $500 each so I could buy BYB puppies of my breed from the papers and ring the paper work in to get registered puppy prices. This also allows them to breed every litter and simply use different papers. New regs to stop people in breeding wont stop people in breeding - end result is that the pedigree data base is compromised. One registered breeder around here picks up puppies from other registered breeders and drops them off in pet shops without the real breeder or the real address of where they are being bred ever being known. The stuff breeders are doing now since the new regs on the gold coast to avoid doing what they are supposed to do to comply is truly clever and breeders everywhere have dogs listed in their kids names , in different states, in different shires. Micro - chipping has been mandatory in NSW since 97 and yet still registered breeders and all breeders for that matter in this state still put their puppies out without chips.

Then if thats what your letters will say . I'm sorry I think you're wasting your time. Victoria only has a very small percentage of puppy farms in comparison to other states.You think there are more because of the pressure from animal lib Victoria.

What do your letters say?

So what is your side of things toydogs ? What will you write in your letter?