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Wow that is very committed. Every day eh? Are you looking for a dog? Or you would be doing that because ?? Yes, everyday. Reason isn't important and I would appreciate you stop hounding me. We are both on the same side here, for the dogs, and even though our opinions differ you should respect mine as I respect yours. I'm not saying I don't enjoy a healthy debate but take a second to read your posts back before you hit reply.

Can't give you an answer there, as I'm only stating my opinion on what I've seen as I troll through rescue sites on a daily basis. You would be better asking that question to Pug rescue or Beagle rescue (as they both seem to be huge and have a good sample-size) and see what their view on the matter is. Your other question confuses me a little, as a decline in dog ownership as a percentage of the population would in itself be a contributing factor in the large amount of dogs in shelters and rescues. Up until September last year, I was Pug Rescue Sydney Maybe you misunderstood the figures I was pointing out. I haven't the exact numbers on me at the moment but I have quoted them on this forum before. The population of Australia has grown by (let's pick a number just for illustartive purposes only) 10 million in the last 20 years, while the number of people who own dogs grew by only 1.5 million in the last 20 years. This suggests very strongly to me that there is no 'oversupply' problem. However, the numbers of dogs arriving in pounds and rescues each year increase. Why? My best guess is that it is more to do with how we view pets and our responsibility towards them, than any issue with how many we are allowing to be born into this world. Sorry, I didn't realise. Although I was on this site a while ago, I haven't been around for long and don't know everyone. Let me just say though that I respect anyone who rescues. I am fostering a cat and her 5 kittens at the moment and that takes a lot out of me, I couldn't do it all the time. Kudos to you for all your hard work. I do see your logic, but still respectfully disagree in a small way. Isn't the very definition of an oversupply problem that there's more than is wanted/needed? If there's not as many people owning dogs, and thousands are being killed in shelters, then why are we still breeding more? I don't want this to be seen as an attack on registered breeders (because i know more often than not they do the right thing) but how the hell do we get this into the head of the BYB and irresponsible owners who let their un-desexed cats roam? It sickens me the way some people see a dog as a possession, a thing there for money-making... and don't think of the bigger picture.

Can't give you an answer there, as I'm only stating my opinion on what I've seen as I troll through rescue sites on a daily basis. You would be better asking that question to Pug rescue or Beagle rescue (as they both seem to be huge and have a good sample-size) and see what their view on the matter is. Your other question confuses me a little, as a decline in dog ownership as a percentage of the population would in itself be a contributing factor in the large amount of dogs in shelters and rescues.

How about a PP employee telling a young couple with a toddler that a Marrema is a medium sized dog that's not very active and great with kids...

I still MIGHT be able to come, but i highly doubt it. hope everyone has fun!!!!!

If every breeder did those things, the world would be a much better place.

In a way, I think you've hit the nail right on the head. This is a good long-term solution. Tell me though, what do you think the breeders should be obligated to do if it's found 50% of their puppies are dumped? Do you think they should be shut down, or simply asked to control their practices more? I am interested as to how far you think this should go.

You realize we do not require all this for a person to have a child. You believe dogs should be more protected by laws, tests, screening, mandatory medical treatments and licenses than human babies deserve. Further you believe only certain superior people should be allowed to breed a dog or own a dog, yet anyone can have a baby. I think it is way way over the top. People in general are good not bad, though I know this is not a popular way of looking at humans these days. Can I ask, do you think you are a good enough human to own a dog? How many other people have you met in your life you think are good enough to own a dog, must not be very many since you feel all this is needed for them to cleared to own a dog. The more I think about it the more sorry I feel for you, what a terriable way to see the world. I love your wonderful assumption about how I feel about humans having children. Love it. Especially when it is completely off the track, incorrect and has nothing to do with this topic. Love it, just love it.... especially the 'i feel sorry for you' part. Back to the topic at hand though, I will attempt to give my feeling on the rest of your post. I don't think 'good enough' is the correct term to be used... 'Educated' is more along the lines of where I'm going. I know when and how to worm and de-flea a dog. I know what they need nutrition-wise. I know how much exercise they need per day. I know how to clip nails, correct types of brush for almost every type of coat and basic training. I know basic first aid. I would hope that this makes me educated enough to keep those two dogs lounging on the floor next to me happy and healthy. The above is something many, many people have no clue on. I also know that people in pet shops and BYB don't know many of those things... When a large amount of pets are being sold in pet stores without the correct information and little to no screening and no one being held accountable, where do we go from here? We assure ourselves that everyone buying a pet from this day onwards is aware of what they are getting into, by making sure they have the information BEFORE they buy that pet. This is where someone does a short course on pet ownership and gets a licence afterwards. This is not a yearly licence like the reptile/bird ones you can get, this is not something that can be revoked without good reason.. All it's there to do is show the purchaser that this person knows what they are getting into. I used to have people coming into Petstock all the time with a new puppy and NO IDEA what to buy. They would set their unvaccinated puppy down on the floor of the store and ask me about collars and leads. These people had no idea they had to worm their puppies, that they needed more than a ball to play with or that socialisation was an important factor in raising a well-adjusted dog. The basics of pet ownership shouldn't be learned on-the-job. All i'm saying is that people should know what they're getting into before they jump.

List of Dogs coming pip1981- Dakota & Tika spitzbaby - Kairu Misha&Milo - Misha, Milo and Flash MavericksMission ~ Maverick & Hectorrr Kirst and John - Luna (lunaburger) Evolving - Bobby, Echo and Alera Lucycharzie - Charlotte Pointees - April and Alexis Pointees father - Jack SmoothieGirl - Bronte Keroppiyo - Buffy Lindainfa - Arnie and Lola Lindainfa's sister - Soko KJ -Henrietta and Teddy Canine Friend - Dexter TooFarNorth - Billy Groupfive - Flash List of food pip1981- marinated chicken, noodle salad, soft drink spitzbaby - not sure yet, maybe juice and snacks... will update Misha&Milo - snags, rissoles, chips, bbq shapes, ( Hey Spitzbaby we want those awesome brownies again ) MavericksMission ~ Potato Salad and Something Else Kirst - Drinks and chippies think but ill update laters smile.gif Evolving - salad. Lucycharzie - salad. Pointees - fairy bread and pigs ears Pointees father - not sure SmoothieGirl - Still thinking about it Keroppiyo - curry puffs Lindainfa - Turkish bread and dips and something else Lindainfa sister - Betty Crocker Chocolate cake KJ-not sure Canine Friend - sausages TooFarNorth - bread rolls and vegie skewers Groupfive - Chips and coke I had to take myself off the list Something always gets in the way of a good doggie playdate!!! grrrr

They're about as good as they are for humans. (Read: crock of shite)

Forgive my somewhat biased opinion here but I am coming from a different standpoint to a lot of the breeders on here. Try not to shoot me down too much :p because I love a good, ethical breeder as much as the next person! I don't believe we should be breeding as much as we are. This comes after seeing the sheer amount of dogs in rescue groups and shelters. It's a constant stream of people giving away their pets, which goes to show there are a lot of unworthy owners... The sad thing is that there's a lot of purebred dogs out there... not just the crossbreeds. Too many dogs are dying, foster carers are overloaded and people still keep buying puppies... Right now there's a lactating mother in the LDH, the owners don't want her back because she's too much of a hassle and they're planning to raise the puppies themselves. This type of person is the people I am targeting above all else in my idea, not the type of people who post on this forum... Ideally, I would love to see a licencing system put in place for both breeders and pet owners. I would love for mandatory desexing of dogs and cats (aside from those with a breeder/show licence) and a mandatory day course & test before a pet can be purchased. This won't be the end of all unnecessary deaths in shelters, but I'm sure it would help alleviate the problem. The thing is, we need a body other than the RSPCA to organise this, because they care about nothing more than lining their coffers... Maybe the money collected from the licences could be used to run a department for this?

Noob question, I know, but is there a fee?

Aren't they just a cross between a German Shepherd and a Schnauzer? *giggles and runs away*

Here's the link for anyone wondering. Those poor dogs Anyone would be terrified, being chased like that... http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/811804...ogs-after-chase

Double post. Mod, please delete.

When you meet one, your life will be complete! They are adorably ugly and sweet and funny and crazy all at the same time.

I've been eyeing off Dakota in your posts. She looks so pretty! You'll love Zac, he's typical happy, smiley Samoyed.

We love playdates, plus I've been meaning to head out to Kepala for years! This is a good excuse I'll probably bring a friend and her gorgeous big border collie/kelpie boy as well. I'll try and rope in my friend with her goldie too. Some pics and info of my babies here: http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=208111

List of Dogs coming pip1981- Dakota & Tika spitzbaby - Kairu Misha&Milo - Misha, Milo and Flash Kali and Luke- Zac and Shishka List of food pip1981- marinated chicken, noodle salad, soft drink spitzbaby - not sure yet, maybe juice and snacks... will update Misha&Milo - snags, rissoles, chips, bbq shapes, ( Hey Spitzbaby we want those awesome brownies again ) Kali- some vegie and vegan snacks. not sure exactly what just yet, but i'll have the vegetarians covered!.

I just read all 23 pages and now want to cry. I hope he's found somewhere safe and the worst hasn't happened.