Sheridan

A ban on flyball and a ban on agility. There goes herding, nose work and forget about trying to get barn hunt up and running. A ban on working dogs because they run over the backs of sheep and nip at the heels of cows. Might frighten the horses, might frighten the children. A ban on breeding, a ban on pets.

Yes. Sheridan's is an accurate precis. FFS I'm trying to save your sorry 'victim' butts, poor you and poor my my breed. Guess you are on your own. Suggest you start by explaining how you are saving poor us in language we can comprehend. With you there. I find it incredibly difficult to read mm's posts. I can comprehend basically everyone else's posts, even the longer ones, but there is another language in mm's posts which just don't seem to sink in. I've even read a so-called explanation and it made no sense. I don't really have much to add to this conversation but I would suggest the reason the owners of Greyhounds are suggesting they'll have to put their dogs down is because the money they were getting in prize money etc. was going toward feeding their dogs. Maybe I'm just a farmer's daughter but if I don't have a use for an animal (including enjoying their company), it has to go. With the tide of Greyhounds being out of a job, there will most likely be many needing homes & not enough homes - would it be better if people end up on the street just so they can feed their dogs?? Or perhaps it's a sensible choice to put the dogs to sleep rather than risk it ending up in a bad position due to a rushed rehoming process. If I can't be understood maybe a few breeders should make an effort to understand evolutionary biology on their own. Seems an important field to ignore if you are trying to develop breeds for posterity. Its a two tiered system of the dogs being bred in an organized system, and the cultural effects on that by the breeders. I give up. I suspect your beliefs quite literaly blind you to a logic of any other reality. What?

Stuff like this from the Animals Australia facebook page, The last quote says it all really. "Now Mr Baird has no option than to Ban Pet Ownership as well. With Puppy Farms and the fact that 250000 unwanted pets are put down each year. Pretty much the same reason for banning Greyhounds, just on a far bigger scale." "Great work - now we just need Mike Baird to continue to adopt Animal Justice Party policies, reverse the Ag Gag laws, stop the brumby culls and place a ban on all domestic dog and cat breeding until no shelter animals need to be destroyed." "stop the over breeding of all animals from back street breeders.." "The thing is how many dogs and cats are put down in the pounds each year,nobody cares" "Dogs and cats are bred for the pet industry. When they get too big or dig up the yard or the child grows tied of them they are abandoned, and unless rehoused are put down. I just would like too know how the pet industry stacks up to the greyhound industry." "its exactly the same issue just a different industry." (Had to take the names out for privacy) "yep. So go tackle the shelters. These guys are working on the greyhound industry for now. They cant do everything! Just be happy there is progress in this field. But yes please go do something for the shelters. Pitch in. Good on you. Thanks" "I'm not saying two wrongs make a right at all. If you ban the greyhound industry on the grounds of cruelty that has been highlighted then you must also ban the pet industry." "It's people doing the wrong thing that is the problem, both with greyhounds and pets. So you must ban both to solve the issues. Otherwise it's just plain Hypocrisy." "There are a lot of organisations campaigning to stop puppy farms because they are doing some awful things also. I personally think it should be illegal to own and breed an undesexed dog and only registered breeders with strict limits and welfare rules should be allowed to breed.Fingers crossed that is the next step governments will take." "it's good to see so many in support of Banning Pet ownership. It's the only way to stop the cruelty." --Lhok Nihilists. Dog extinction proponents. And they're saying to Baird, 'Come in, spinner.'

Yes. Sheridan's is an accurate precis. FFS I'm trying to save your sorry 'victim' butts, poor you and poor my my breed. Guess you are on your own. Is that what you're doing? Oh.

Academic weasel wording aside, this is the beginning of the end of animal ownership. All you have to do is visit an AR FB page to see how much these people hate dogs.

Because once the momentum builds it will just be a matter of time before pet dog breeding is banned. That's your opinion and I disagree. Yes, it is my opinion. After all, I wrote it. Why do people write that?

Because once the momentum builds it will just be a matter of time before pet dog breeding is banned.

I've seen a fair few posts likening the greyhound industry to the end of whaling. The issue with this analogy is that whaling didn't (mostly) end due to community attitudes as has been suggested. It ended because of the development of vegetable oils instead of whale oil in margarines and because of the development of kerosene for oil lamps.

can you expand on this casowner ? Yes, I'd like to know more.

If you scroll through various comments on social media there are calls for the breeding of dogs to be banned due to the amount of dogs being killed in shelters. --Lhok There will be a big push for this.

There's just no end to the money grabbing behaviour now. Bequests are a great idea. Not everyone has relatives to leave money to and, even if they do, they might want to support a charitable cause. More rescues should do this. Is Pet Rescue a charity? I thought it was a business?

Really? Which vets and venues in Victoria would those be? Have you ever actually attended an event or are you plucking this stuff out of thin air? I thought lure coursing was done at KCC Park? They chase a lure on a very small, under regulation course. Im pretty sure there are no tight turns. There hasn't been an ANKC LC trial in the State yet. No, it's completely straight.

Really? Which vets and venues in Victoria would those be? Have you ever actually attended an event or are you plucking this stuff out of thin air? I thought lure coursing was done at KCC Park?

Agreed Perse But it may also mean less future suffering by generations of greyhounds... There won't BE any future generations of greyhounds. There's an astonishing amount of 'Oh, people will kill their dogs but at least future greyhounds won't suffer' and 'Oh, they'll kill them anyway' going on. For people who apparently love dogs, this dismissal of thousands of dogs is disturbing let alone greyhounds becoming as rare as hen's teeth. No one is dismissing it, but lets not pretend it's any more deaths than are already seen year in and year out because thousands of dogs are bred with few getting to the track, and far fewer finding suitable homes after racing. As for the breed becoming "rare as hens teeth" that is no ones fault but the breeders and breed fanciers. If all the breed has going for it is its racing ability how on earth do they manage to be decent pets? Better tell the husky breeders they should be taking their dogs to the alpine races every year to justify their existence. The bolded is precisely the dismissal of dog deaths I was referring to. Interesting that you also dismiss the gradual death of a breed. So much for being a dog lover. Why is it okay to save whales and dolphins but breed extinction is just given a shrug? Why do you think the breed will become extinct? Does it have nothing else going for it but it's ability to go round in circles very fast. Again I will put forward the example of huskies but you can use any breed you like, they used to pull sleds, now most of them don't, they aren't extinct so it seems a little odd that you are lamenting an eventuality that there is no real evidence to suggest will occur. You didnt seem to express much anguish about the deaths of greyhounds while the industry was churning along? Just because I believe that continually breeding thousands of dogs to sustain an industry that wouldn't sort it's crap out doesn't mean I am not sad for the fate of the animals who will be dumped. It's called choosing the lesser of two evils. Doesn't mean anyone enjoys it or dismisses it, it is a realty to state that many dogs suffered and died as a direct result of the overbreeding and practices the industry supported, it is not hypocrisy to put the reality in perspective when it comes to weighing up the current situation. Goodness, did you actually trawl through my posts to find my opinion on the greyhound industry?

Agreed Perse But it may also mean less future suffering by generations of greyhounds... There won't BE any future generations of greyhounds. There's an astonishing amount of 'Oh, people will kill their dogs but at least future greyhounds won't suffer' and 'Oh, they'll kill them anyway' going on. For people who apparently love dogs, this dismissal of thousands of dogs is disturbing let alone greyhounds becoming as rare as hen's teeth. No one is dismissing it, but lets not pretend it's any more deaths than are already seen year in and year out because thousands of dogs are bred with few getting to the track, and far fewer finding suitable homes after racing. As for the breed becoming "rare as hens teeth" that is no ones fault but the breeders and breed fanciers. If all the breed has going for it is its racing ability how on earth do they manage to be decent pets? Better tell the husky breeders they should be taking their dogs to the alpine races every year to justify their existence. The bolded is precisely the dismissal of dog deaths I was referring to. Interesting that you also dismiss the gradual death of a breed. So much for being a dog lover. Why is it okay to save whales and dolphins but breed extinction is just given a shrug?

Do you have a solution? There are too many dogs. There were too many dogs before the ban was announced. That's a big part of the reason why the ban was announced, ostensibly. Most of them would have been killed, as has occurred every year. Now there are even more dogs' lives at stake as racers, breeders, and youngsters are also out of a job. Unless the government is committed to housing these dogs for perhaps years until every last one the owners can't or don't want to keep can be behaviourally assessed, rehabilitated if necessary/possible, and rehomed if they will make suitable pets, then healthy, sound animals will be euthanised. Is that a reason to perpetuate this cycle indefinitely? The numbers don't add up if we are considering the good of the dogs as a population. A gradual reduction in dog numbers over the next few years while the racing industry wound down and rescue caught up would probably have been a better way to go about it if it has to be done, and might preserve the most number of dogs overall. However, we don't get to dictate to the government how they should do this. It was obviously a political decision, and it is in Baird's best interests to make a splash. A gradual closure is not a splash. I live in hope that welfare organisations and GRNSW can negotiate a slower transition, but not holding my breath. A solution to people's posts like these is my advice not to be so hypocritical. Since it is actually gradual (next year) my suggestion would be that greyhound people leave the state ahead of the final closedown. A solution to politics, no.

Yep. Indicative of the level of knowledge that's driving much of the current discussion. God forbid what is going to happen the dogs placed with inexperienced rescues who think they are just big spindly generic dogs. The idea that Greyhounds are sleepy couch potatoes that require no effort from an owner does the dogs a considerable disservice - especially the young ones. I know owners who will PTS their dogs rather than have them in the wrong homes. Chained to a kennel and used for pigging or left uncoated and ignored in back yards? I'd PTS too. I predict a rise in the abuse of greyhounds. It will move from the racing to the pet environment. A tragedy for the breed. But people on this forum push the adoption of greyhounds on the grounds they are the dog for the lazy person, that they're couch potatoes that only need a 20 minute walk each day.

Agreed Perse But it may also mean less future suffering by generations of greyhounds... There won't BE any future generations of greyhounds. There's an astonishing amount of 'Oh, people will kill their dogs but at least future greyhounds won't suffer' and 'Oh, they'll kill them anyway' going on. For people who apparently love dogs, this dismissal of thousands of dogs is disturbing let alone greyhounds becoming as rare as hen's teeth.

They haven't legislated against the breed. They have condemned the activity. LOLs at the above.

Who'd have thought greyhounds would be the ACT Government's first act of BSL.

Which is fine if you're there 100 per cent of the time. Most people aren't.

I'm interested in this, too. Dog next door has taken to barking at my fence line and flinging itself at my fence. Bunny is now barking a lot and having a go at the fence. I have fenced off my side of the fence but the next door dog can still get to their fence. Neither dog can see the other.

The RSPCA, if various FB posts are correct, knew about this years ago and did nothing - surprisingly, given they usually love an opportunity to jump all over ANKC breeders, what with their anti-pedigree propaganda n all. I suspect there's some blame shifting going on and who better to shift the blame to than Dogs Vic?

Yes, unfortunately. It's pretty bad.

Im confused. How long ago did the RSPCA know about this?