Teebs Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 The Delta course is a bit more expensive, but includes the cost of accommodation during the practical training blocks. I believe though that you are also expected to purchase a number of training books as course materials on top of the course fees, can anyone who has done the Delta course confirm?ROM, your terminology is correct Yep, they expect you to get a heap of books, I am not a fan of Delta at all, i have had a huge fight with people from there about a few things rolleyes: I actually signed up to do it, but 2 weeks before i pulled out. I was also doing visits to nursing homes with Atlas, and dropped out of that. I wont support them in any way now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Top Dog K9 Trainers Academy will be conducting another course commencing in March.Contact phone number is: 1300 K9 TRAINING or 1300 598 724. Who are the lecturers here wayrod and what are their qualifications? Are you one of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastus_froggy Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share Posted February 3, 2008 The Delta course is a bit more expensive, but includes the cost of accommodation during the practical training blocks. I believe though that you are also expected to purchase a number of training books as course materials on top of the course fees, can anyone who has done the Delta course confirm? How much is the Delta course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haven Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Somewhere in the realm of $3500 I believe, plus whatever added costs are relevent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsdog2 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Somewhere in the realm of $3500 I believe, plus whatever added costs are relevent. $3500 !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haven Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Somewhere in the realm of $3500 I believe, plus whatever added costs are relevent. $3500 !!!!! Cost shouldn't be the deciding factor when you are looking for education IMHO, although I realise it can be prohibitive for some. However, if it's the right course for you and it's a nationally recognised qualification the knowledge you gain is priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsdog2 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Somewhere in the realm of $3500 I believe, plus whatever added costs are relevent. $3500 :D !!!!! Cost shouldn't be the deciding factor when you are looking for education IMHO, although I realise it can be prohibitive for some. However, if it's the right course for you and it's a nationally recognised qualification the knowledge you gain is priceless. I'm sure you're right. I am shocked because I never realised what these courses actually cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastus_froggy Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 I looked at doing a series of TAFE courses that would have worked out much cheaper than NDTF but in the end I decided on NDTF as I thought it was what was going to best suit my needs. Now just waiting to see if I have been accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsaw Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I've just started the NDTF course by distance learning. Literally the stuff arrived this Monday morning. I have 4 DVD's to watch and notes and an assessment. They are trialling the practical blocks in Dural this year for NSW based students - I snuck in on the last place for my course. I've only just started but it is exactly what I wanted - the training and behaviour. First part is about senses and body language of dogs. I think it is a pretty comprehensive course and it seems the trainers are highly regarded by people who have had their dogs trained by NDTF trainers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blulupas Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Just so you know lilli- the delta course docuses on positive reinforcement only training while the NDTF course it a bit broader. I do know people who have loved the delta course but i think it depends what type of training you want to do and what dogs your dealing with. thanks cosmolo - is NDTF the only course that looks at all theories? The Delta course examines all the theories of training and covers behaviour as well. It is as broad, if not broader, than the NDTF one, in the theoretical content of these topics. Training ability is also taught and evaluated as is instructing ability. Animal (canine) behaviour can be studied at a tertiary level but doesn't necessarily have the practical elements that the NFDT and Delta courses have. Because the NDFT and Delta courses are framework (competency based) qualifications they have many units in common. Understanding how a national qualification is built within this system is worthwhile when choosing what to study and who to study with. Blu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Blulupas- does the delta course do any practical implementation (through demonstration) of all the 'theories of training'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haven Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Just so you know lilli- the delta course docuses on positive reinforcement only training while the NDTF course it a bit broader. I do know people who have loved the delta course but i think it depends what type of training you want to do and what dogs your dealing with. thanks cosmolo - is NDTF the only course that looks at all theories? The Delta course examines all the theories of training and covers behaviour as well. It is as broad, if not broader, than the NDTF one, in the theoretical content of these topics. Training ability is also taught and evaluated as is instructing ability. Animal (canine) behaviour can be studied at a tertiary level but doesn't necessarily have the practical elements that the NFDT and Delta courses have. Because the NDFT and Delta courses are framework (competency based) qualifications they have many units in common. Understanding how a national qualification is built within this system is worthwhile when choosing what to study and who to study with. Blu A lot of your information is incorrect or unsubstantiated Blu. According to their course synopsis, the following is a list of the units of competency from the Certificate IV in Companion Animal Services course offered by Delta and the Certificate III in Dog Behaviour and Training offered by the National Dog Trainers Federation (NDTF). By clicking on the respective course titles you can go to their website for more information on what is covered in each unit. Units included in both courses appear in bold: Certificate IV in Companion Animal Services ALTFA1A Apply Basic First Aid: NB This unit is not offered by Delta, you must obtain it seperately from another RTO, probably at an additional cost BSZ404A Provide Training through Instruction and Demonstration of Work Skills RUV3101A Carry out Workplace OH&S Procedures RUV3503A Work Effectively in the Companion Animal Industry RUV3504A Monitor and Maintain Health of Companion Animals RUV4101A Implement and Monitor the Organisation's OH&S Program RUV4501A Manage Compliance in the Companion Animal Industry RUV4506A Develop Enrichment Strategies for Companion Animals RUV4511A Provide Training Advice to Companion Animal Owners RUV4512A Conduct Companion Animal Training Classes RUV4611A Prepare, Deliver and Review Animal Care Education Programs 21574VIC Certificate III in Dog Behaviour and Training RUV2102A Follow OH&S Procedures in an Animal Care Environment RUV2104A Provide Food and Water for Animals RUV2105A Participate in Workplace Communications RUV2107A Provide Basic First Aid for animals RUV4512A Conduct Companion Animal Training Classes VBN806 Apply Animal Psychology to Modifiy Canine Behaviour VBN807 Investigate and Assess Canine Behaviour VBN808 Conduct Dog Obedience and Agility Classes VBN809 Identify and Manage Canine Behaviour Problems VBN810 Monitor Canine Health Care VBN811 Teach Dogs Complex Skills and Tricks VBN812 Train Dogs for Basic Assisstace Roles VBN813 Train Dogs for Basic Substance Detection VBN814 Train Dogs for Basic Tracking and Trailing Points to note in comparison: The Certificate III in Dog Behaviour and Training includes some imported units (the 'RUV' units), however was largely written by the National Dog Trainers Federation to be specific to dogs, dog training and dog behaviour. The Certificate IV in Companion Animal Services was not written by Delta or Delta instructors and it is not specific to dogs, dog training or dog behaviour. Delta claim that while they deliver the training package in accordance with DEST requirements, they have customised their delivery to have a "distinct Delta orientation". When delivering a training package or unit of competency, a small amount of additional information is allowed to be included beyond what is outlined in the training package, however you are not allowed to be assessed on information given that is not in the training package, nor can you recieve any kind of nationally recognised qualification for it. As noted on their website, the Delta Society promotes the use of what they refer to as only humane methods and equipment. This basically means they advocate the 'positive only' style of training. Dogs attending the practical training elements must be on only flat collars, martingales, harnessess or headcollars. "If prospective students use or promote check chains this course will not be suitable for them". Given this, I really doubt that they teach a balance of all training styles and pieces of equipment and it certainly wouldn't be "as broad, if not broader" than that offered by the NDTF who pride themselves on covering a scientific, unbiased view of ALL styles of training and ALL types of equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Wow Haven! What a well written and informative response! Thanks for taking the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I looked at the delta website last night and noticed almost exactly what Haven said- thanks for posting that info Haven, couldn't have put it better myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I have done half of my NDTF course and will be finishing it later this year (after I get back from Thailand ) and have been very happy with it so far. The only annoying thing is that on the theory weekends they have to cram so much into each day that you get a bit sick of sitting in the room from 9am - 4pm. But the trainers are great, although the lectures are long they are very interesting. I cant wait to finish it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastus_froggy Posted February 23, 2008 Author Share Posted February 23, 2008 Well I have been accepted into the NDTF course and as a bonus they thought I lived in Sydney so they have accidently placed me into the Sydney metropolitan only course (practical) which I had previously been told I was not eligible for as I am not in Sydney, but it's their mistake and it saves me 8 hours in driving time!! I am really excited and cant wait to start!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatelina Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 How much approx are these NDTF courses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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