wintacove Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 I have been asked lately by quite a few people wondering can you export a puppy overseas if the mother and father of the litter are marked in australia as not for export. Looking at all rule books in QLD & NSW nothing states that this is not allowed. If both sire and dam are not to be exported that is fine, but does anyone know if it is ok to export a puppy from there litter?? I believe myself that it could be allowed, but not sure. So does anyone know if you can or cannot, also can you point out the rule where it isn't allowed, that is if it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 The rule only applies to the individual dog or bitch, not any of their progeny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjosa Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 I do not know of a rule saying they cannot, but, I would contact the breeder/s of the Sire and Dam and see what they say about a puppy going overseas, they may have good reason for not wantng their stock over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wintacove Posted September 20, 2010 Author Share Posted September 20, 2010 yeah i said the same about contacting the breeder also of both dam and sire as they probably did have a reason for having there dogs put on not for export. I was also told that say if a sire is marked not for export then his semen isn't to be exported, not sure if that is true either. If that is the case then wouldn't it be made that any live pups bred by him shouldn't be exported too??? i'm so glad i haven't got this problem with my guys, not that i export anyway, but it is something that i'm curious about as i know people wanting to do this with a litter at the moment, so more thoughts be good guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Ummm no, just because a dog or bitch is marked not for export, it doesn't mean that the breeder of that dog or bitch has any right to stipulate what happens to their progeny. The exception would be if someone using that dog or leasing the bitch has signed a contract pertaining to their use. All pups they I register on the main are stamped not for export. It doesn't mean that I don't want their progeny to be exported, nor does it prevent any one breeding from them doing it. Many breeders routinely mark their pups "not for export" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wintacove Posted September 20, 2010 Author Share Posted September 20, 2010 ok well that makes it very clear. But what about exporting semen then from a male marked as not for export??? what is the rules there, was what i was told true or is that something that isn't in any rules either??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 I'd guess you can export a dog or bitch with 'not for export' pedigree, but you'd run into trouble when you tried to get the pedigree registered in the new location. The canine authorities power doesn't go much beyond what animal can and cannot be put on a pedigree register or shown. As for semen, unless it is written into the pedigree stipulations that neither the dog nor his progeny can be exported . . . which could be done and might cause problems with registration of a pedigree . .. I'd say you're fine. At least in WA there is space on the back of the pedigree for the seller to add stipulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becks Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Going from the UK perspective - any dog can be exported but only those with a restriction free pedigree/registration can be registered with a new registry. ie there is nothing to stop you moving abroad with your dog but unless the export restriction is lifted, the dog couldn't be registered in the new country. It is up to the breeder of the litter, if they want to send a pup abroad, then they just don't put the export restriction on that pup - that pup is a different individual to the adult who has the restriction on. Semen? i would imagine that it would be OK to send abroad, afterall the dog is staying in the country and that is the point of the export ban.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziah Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 I'd guess you can export a dog or bitch with 'not for export' pedigree, but you'd run into trouble when you tried to get the pedigree registered in the new location. The canine authorities power doesn't go much beyond what animal can and cannot be put on a pedigree register or shown. As for semen, unless it is written into the pedigree stipulations that neither the dog nor his progeny can be exported . . . which could be done and might cause problems with registration of a pedigree . .. I'd say you're fine. At least in WA there is space on the back of the pedigree for the seller to add stipulations. You'd never get an export pedigree to begin with this end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 There's nothing stopping you from physically shipping the animal out of the country. I could take any or all of my dogs if I decided to up and leave tomorrow. The issue would be, I could not re-register them in my new country, nor register any of their progeny, they were stamped not for export. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 You don't need an export pedigree to send a dog overseas. You only need an export pedigree if you want to re-register the dog overseas. So stamping a pedigree not for export is only going to stop the honest ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziah Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 You don't need an export pedigree to send a dog overseas. You only need an export pedigree if you want to re-register the dog overseas. So stamping a pedigree not for export is only going to stop the honest ones. That's correct, I was replying to Sandgrubbers post re running into trouble trying to register at the other end - you'd not get as far as an export pedigree this end (which you'd need to re-register in another country). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 It's cool Aziah. I wasn't talking to anybody in particular...just commenting that essentially marking a pedigree not for export is really not necessarily going to do a lot of good when it comes to the dog and not the paper trail! Oh and there are registries overseas now, where you don't even require an export pedigree to re-register as long as you can provide a pedigree with an official stamp on it and a photograph of the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziah Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 It's cool Aziah. I wasn't talking to anybody in particular...just commenting that essentially marking a pedigree not for export is really not necessarily going to do a lot of good when it comes to the dog and not the paper trail! ;)Oh and there are registries overseas now, where you don't even require an export pedigree to re-register as long as you can provide a pedigree with an official stamp on it and a photograph of the dog. That's terrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wintacove Posted September 21, 2010 Author Share Posted September 21, 2010 Just contacted Dogs QLD and they said that you can export pups from a litter where the sire and dam are marked not for export, but they did say that it was brought up awhile back about exporting semen from a male marked not for export that they had a meeting and found that you should not be aloud to do this. But honestly i really don't see the difference in exporting pups from that sire or exporting his semen, his prodgeny is still being exported either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I think the difference is that if you are exporting semen, you are essentially exporting the dog HIMSELF, whereas puppies sired by a dog are "diluted" by the inclusion of the mother IYKWIM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wintacove Posted September 21, 2010 Author Share Posted September 21, 2010 yeah your probably right, it is just interesting is all. So glad i have some answers to this subject now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 It's cool Aziah. I wasn't talking to anybody in particular...just commenting that essentially marking a pedigree not for export is really not necessarily going to do a lot of good when it comes to the dog and not the paper trail! ;)Oh and there are registries overseas now, where you don't even require an export pedigree to re-register as long as you can provide a pedigree with an official stamp on it and a photograph of the dog. Yes it's quite true. Some countries have classification days where they get the visiting judges to help classify the dogs as being pure. These are dogs that have been collected from people who just don't want the dog anymore. As long as it is a pure bred it will be used as foundation breeding stock for that country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 The hitch is, can Dogs QLD enforce their opinion. I'd guess it might be hard to keep the 'not for export' attached to the papers that follow the semen, and even if it were attached, some places may not consider the stipulation valid/legal. So it comes down to a big MAYBE. Just contacted Dogs QLD and they said that you can export pups from a litter where the sire and dam are marked not for export, but they did say that it was brought up awhile back about exporting semen from a male marked not for export that they had a meeting and found that you should not be aloud to do this. But honestly i really don't see the difference in exporting pups from that sire or exporting his semen, his prodgeny is still being exported either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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