poodlefan Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) Love Standard Schnauzers. And Bouvier des Flandres. Met a Bouvier once and she was pretty special. Oops wrong thread.. Edited January 17, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiesha09 Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 Unfortunately I was bitten as a child by a schnauzer and whilst I'm not scared of them or anything or think they all bite, I just don't have the most possitive associations with them. So they are off my list I don't know anything about a Bouvier des flandres. What can you tell me about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I don't know anything about a Bouvier des flandres. What can you tell me about them. Not much! The one I met was quite old at 12, so was pretty mellow. We were camping next to her owners over a long weekend. They said Bouviers are a little strong-willed, but no trouble if you're firm about rules. They do need clipping periodically. Large, but not huge. Not hugely active, but happy to go on hikes and happy to chill when nothing is going on. Good with the kids, great with small animals, smart and biddable. They are a little protective. The one I met was not at all happy about my poor old corgi crashing in her peoples' tent one rainy evening. She wasn't allowed in the tent and was not about to let the corgi break the rules. She seemed to take rules very seriously. Other than that, she got along very well with a lot of other dogs and could be trusted to mind her own business and stick with her family. Never saw a leash on her and her owners said they don't wander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) I don't know anything about a Bouvier des flandres. What can you tell me about them. Not much! The one I met was quite old at 12, so was pretty mellow. We were camping next to her owners over a long weekend. They said Bouviers are a little strong-willed, but no trouble if you're firm about rules. They do need clipping periodically. Large, but not huge. Not hugely active, but happy to go on hikes and happy to chill when nothing is going on. Good with the kids, great with small animals, smart and biddable. They are a little protective. The one I met was not at all happy about my poor old corgi crashing in her peoples' tent one rainy evening. She wasn't allowed in the tent and was not about to let the corgi break the rules. She seemed to take rules very seriously. Other than that, she got along very well with a lot of other dogs and could be trusted to mind her own business and stick with her family. Never saw a leash on her and her owners said they don't wander. The only two Bouviers I've met were dog aggressive with one showing strong prey drive towards small dogs. Browsing through a few breed reviews, that behaviour is not uncharacteristic for the breed. They can be pretty dominant. Not sure I'd describe them as "biddable". Edited January 17, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiesha09 Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 Mmm ok think Bouvier might be out then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Collie Rough? From what I've read and seen, they are one of the easier to live with herding breeds. Flat Coated Retriever? Toller? Lagotto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvsdogs Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I was thinking border collie too. The 2 I've had have been pretty low key at home & active on outings. I prefer long haired animals & mistakenly got a short haired dog after my oh's poodle cross died, she used to always have mats as she wasn't used to be grooming. The short coated dog we got after her & the one my son has now shed continually. Except for when they drop coat a once weekly brush/combing is sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiesha09 Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 I have thought about Tollers and they could definately be an option. It's just I am so damn picky. Collie Rough's are ok but there is something missing there. They don't 'grab' me, if that makes any sense. I don't know much about flat coated retrievers - will go look them up. Do they shed like GR or labs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I have thought about Tollers and they could definately be an option. Reading Huski's thread in Training the sound like a LOT of work - great for an active, sporting home. Are you interested in doing dog sports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiesha09 Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 I do love dog sports and train my two current dogs in agility but I am not 'that' dedicated so I don't want to be bound by having to do it with my dog if that makes sense. I want a dog that could do it but doesn't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 The only two Bouviers I've met were dog aggressive with one showing strong prey drive towards small dogs. Browsing through a few breed reviews, that behaviour is not uncharacteristic for the breed.They can be pretty dominant. Not sure I'd describe them as "biddable". Guess I met one with a good home. The owners were from the UK and went to a lot of trouble to get their Bouvier. We talked about them a fair bit and I have since done a bit of research because I was really taken with this dog. The descriptions I read didn't match up much with what these other people with a Bouvier told me, let alone what I saw from the Bouvier herself. Maybe she was an odd one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingduster Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Another vote for a standard poodle!!! Shave it off short all over and it doesn't look like a poodle anymore, and is super easy care (no brushing, just needs re-shaved every 2-3 months) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) I have met some pretty low key tollers again its about picking the line to suit your needs as with any breed. They all aren't over the top high drive dogs - sure some lines are but you get that in all breeds. I think if your keen on an aussie then it is likely you will be able to find one that is suitable for your lifestyle . Dogs are also pretty adaptable in the end. Edited January 17, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayreovi Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I have thought about Tollers and they could definately be an option. Reading Huski's thread in Training the sound like a LOT of work - great for an active, sporting home. Are you interested in doing dog sports? Depends on the dog really and how you raise them. Too be honest, when I was researching them I found everyone said this alot but apart from my first one where we struggled a bit (his parents though were very busy pretty full on dogs though) the others have been pretty easy I have three Tollers here and they would all love your lifestyle. In particular my youngest boy, he is a gorgeous dog both mentally and physically . Very calm and relaxed at home but has boundless energy if required. He is also extremely biddable and loves nothing more than spending the day with me, he is definately a one person dog! His daughter is a busy little girl but she is learning to be like her dad around the home. She actually came from SA, so if you dabble in agility you may know her mum and breeder. They are great pets for active people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) The only two Bouviers I've met were dog aggressive with one showing strong prey drive towards small dogs. Browsing through a few breed reviews, that behaviour is not uncharacteristic for the breed.They can be pretty dominant. Not sure I'd describe them as "biddable". :D Guess I met one with a good home. The owners were from the UK and went to a lot of trouble to get their Bouvier. We talked about them a fair bit and I have since done a bit of research because I was really taken with this dog. The descriptions I read didn't match up much with what these other people with a Bouvier told me, let alone what I saw from the Bouvier herself. Maybe she was an odd one. Oh, that's right.. good homes get the nice dogs and only bad homes get aggressive ones. Riiiiight. Given the number of breed temperament descriptions that note the potential for DA and prey drive, I don't think a "good home" would be all that's required to manage one. A 12 year old Bouvier is a very senior dog. It's possible that the dog's mellowness was because it was old, not odd. Then again, there are always variations within a breed. Edited January 17, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee lee Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I love Tollers & would have seriously considered one except I was advised they were too full on for my circumstances (pet home, working, small yard...) However, recently I met a young woman who lives nearby who has one. I grilled her about her gorgeous dog & she was adamant her dog would be no more work than my GR. In fact she said they were quite similar in nature to goldies. She seemed a very very sweet little dog. I would have thought at the most extreme a Toller's requirements would be no more than a border collie anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) I would suggest a Toller is different in requirements to Borders but a high drive toller would I agree be no worse then a high drive Border. Edited January 17, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandybrush Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 FYI you can get koolies with long coats :D however i wouldnt recommend a koolie, though they are happy to relax, if i go 1 day without exercise he can get a bit annoying from boredom, my koolie needs mental stimulation even if im not walking him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackiemad Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 poodlefan: i think corvus just meant 'good home' in the respect that they'd taken a lot of time to socialise and train the dog throughout it's life. not that it was a 'good home' and therefore deserved a good dog, hence why the animal was well behaved. and corvus did say in the first post it may be because it was 12 that it was a bit more mellow... keisha: it kind of sounds like what you really want is an aussie. if that is the case, then you can find one with lower drive and one that will suit you i would think by just having a good relationship with the breeder? ...unless i'm mistaken about the breed, and having only met a few and never owned one, this is a real possibility! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) poodlefan: i think corvus just meant 'good home' in the respect that they'd taken a lot of time to socialise and train the dog throughout it's life. not that it was a 'good home' and therefore deserved a good dog, hence why the animal was well behaved. and corvus did say in the first post it may be because it was 12 that it was a bit more mellow... Being a 'good home' is no guarantee that your dog won't be DA or have high level prey drive. Socialisation and training are not cure alls. Edited January 17, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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