melstar-36 Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 hi, im interested in a black and tan cavalier puppy, ive contacted a breeder and she has one, but it has white on the chest. she assures me it will fade, is this true!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 White can't fade. It isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayly Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 It won't fade but often white markings on puppies will get smaller as the dog gets older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaffy Magee Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I have seen small white patches on black dogs disappear as they get older, so it could, but may not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swizzlestick Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 My Afghan had a very noticable white patch on his chest as a pup. Can't notice it at all now, and he is clipped too. He seemed to grow, and the white patch sort of stayed the same size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greydobe Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 One of my black +tan dobie pups had a white spot on her chest. As she grew it got smaller and smaller. It went to 2 hairs and then completely disappeared. So yes it may 'fade'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alasse Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 My black GSD had a white chest spot when a pup, tis now only a few hairs and you really cannot pick it out at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavvysavvy Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 hi, im interested in a black and tan cavalier puppy, ive contacted a breeder and she has one, but it has white on the chest. she assures me it will fade, is this true!!!! No it wont fade, and if you are interested in showing then this is not the breed standard colour, there should be NO white on a black and tan. If you were only buying pet quality then its a personal decision. If it were me, and I were purchasing the dog at a high price with pedigree papers then I would not buy. If I were only paying a few hundred with no papers then I would go for it. I guess it just depends on what you are using the dog for. Go to the Cavalier club of Vic website, they have the breed standard colours listed there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) hi, im interested in a black and tan cavalier puppy, ive contacted a breeder and she has one, but it has white on the chest. she assures me it will fade, is this true!!!! No it wont fade, and if you are interested in showing then this is not the breed standard colour, there should be NO white on a black and tan. If you were only buying pet quality then its a personal decision. If it were me, and I were purchasing the dog at a high price with pedigree papers then I would not buy. If I were only paying a few hundred with no papers then I would go for it. I guess it just depends on what you are using the dog for. Go to the Cavalier club of Vic website, they have the breed standard colours listed there I'd be thinking twice before recommending that someone buy a pup from a back yard breeder. The odds of it being from health tested parents are next to nothing and that sort of breeding hardly fits well with the aims of this forum. Melstar, if this pup is for a pet home only, comes from a responsible registered breeder and has health tested parents what you need to know is that its a mismark and the mark may or may not disappear. It's a cosmetic fault and will have no impact whatsoever on the dog's ability to become a great pet. If you liked the pup's temperament and its a sound healthy pup then I'd not be concerned if I were a pet buyer. If you were looking for show prosepct I'd not be taking the pup. Edited May 3, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisovar Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 White markings often lessen as the pup grows, for a pet this will make no difference at all, a show prospect is another story altogether. If you were only buying pet quality then its a personal decision. If it were me, and I were purchasing the dog at a high price with pedigree papers then I would not buy.If I were only paying a few hundred with no papers then I would go for it. A healthy sound puppy from a registered breeder with a dash of white on its chest is worth more than a litter of byb pups in peace of mind. It is not markings that you are paying for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melstar-36 Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 this puppy is indeed from a registered breeder, i wouldnt buy from anyone else, he comes with pedigee papers and all health testing is done. i was just concerned whether the marking would fade, it is for pet home only but i had my heart set on the black and tan colour, she said that the mother had white on her feet and chest and has faded within time and she things that the pup might as well. is the pup classed as tri instead of black and tan, or is it just a mismarking!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) I have a beautiful girl who is structurally sound, healthy from health tested parents, loving, friendly, and has just gained her first obedience title. She's also a very obvious mismark. I'd sure take my gorgeous mismark from an ethical, registered breeder over a perfectly coloured dog from a BYB. My girl has two white/merle spots on her back which appear smaller than when she was a pup, but they are still obvious. That being said, obviously you wouldn't buy a mismark hoping to show Edit: I don't think there's anything wrong with having your heart set on a certain colour, so if it matters that much to you I wouldn't buy the pup. Just make sure you don't sacrifice more important things (health testing, temperament of parents, ethical breeding, etc) for that white spot. Edited May 3, 2011 by wuffles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) this puppy is indeed from a registered breeder, i wouldnt buy from anyone else, he comes with pedigee papers and all health testing is done. i was just concerned whether the marking would fade, it is for pet home only but i had my heart set on the black and tan colour, she said that the mother had white on her feet and chest and has faded within time and she things that the pup might as well. is the pup classed as tri instead of black and tan, or is it just a mismarking!! One spot of white on an otherwise black and tan dog says "mismark" to me, not tri-colour. If you want to know for sure, his papers should give his colour. Its funny, you can actually grow to love these little "individual markings" on a dog. It makes them unique! Edited May 3, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretel Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 <Melstar, if this pup is for a pet home only, comes from a responsible registered breeder and has health tested parents what you need to know is that its a mismark and the mark may or may not disappear. It's a cosmetic fault and will have no impact whatsoever on the dog's ability to become a great pet. If you liked the pup's temperament and its a sound healthy pup then I'd not be concerned if I were a pet buyer.> Very well said PF! It does depend on how large the area of white is. It will certainly lessen as the pup grows. Jersey (the ruby in my siggie) was born with a white stripe down her face and quite a large patch of white on her chest. She does still have some white hairs on her head (she's 20 months old now) but there are less and less and eventually she will have none on her face. The white on her chest has decreased but she will always have some. It's not as noticable on a ruby and tends to disappear to some extent in her bib. I kept her for showing over her sister as she was the better pup. Her sister had no white. Jersey was placed at our recent club show from a large class under an English judge. I would be a lot more concerned that the breeder is specialist health testing then a patch of white. Some breeders will tell you they are health tested but have only been checked by the vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Charlie had a white line from his forehead and as he grew older.. the white isn't as noticeable anymore but it's still there if you have a close look. But the white on the rest of Charlie's is always really really white though. Whiter than Emmy, who's a Japanese Spitz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Panzer Attack! Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 My pup had a severe blaze (like the white line on a road!) on his head when he was born, and it's way smaller now at 13 weeks. The splash of white sounds beautiful TBH, and the black and tan Cavs are so striking. Pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liebhunde Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Hi there...I have a heavily marked Tri ...when he came to me he had white flashes over his back..these have dissapeared over the last twelve months and now all he has is a very tiny inch long dash of a few white hairs. So yes white can fade, perhaps not completely though. If you are after a pet only and he has been properly health tested the bit of white will make no difference. If you really want a correctly marked black and tan why not wait till this breeder has other pups available or go to another registered breeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esky the husky Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Not a Cavvy, but you can see how white markings can change/ vanish over time. http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...5623&st=120 You can see how one of the pups has lost his white blaze all together. Of course this is well within the standard for Lappies. If the pup is the right fit for your family I would not hesitate to take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelaa17 Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 When Rossco (RIP) was a pup, he was a Cav x chinese crested powder puff and one of two of my first puppies.. he had a mismark on the back of his neck. It was this little white dot on an otherwise black back. As he got older and older it grew smaller and smaller however it stayed there and was still noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvs Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 White markings often lessen as the pup grows, for a pet this will make no difference at all, a show prospect is another story altogether.If you were only buying pet quality then its a personal decision. If it were me, and I were purchasing the dog at a high price with pedigree papers then I would not buy.If I were only paying a few hundred with no papers then I would go for it. A healthy sound puppy from a registered breeder with a dash of white on its chest is worth more than a litter of byb pups in peace of mind. It is not markings that you are paying for. totally agree with this. White markings in a black and tan and a tri colour cavalier will lesson as they grow. It is not fading as such. With everything on a public forum some information that you receive should be dis-regarded. All registered breeders will sell a puppy with papers. We should not be advocating purchasing a puppy from a BYB just because it is a colour that we prefer. Colour does not make a puppy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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