idigadog Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Yep, definately need puppy pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVO8Gold Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 Yep, definately need puppy pics Puppy at 4 weeks. Collecting at 10 weeks. Also no bitches available from litter and prefer males in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziah Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idigadog Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Puppy at 4 weeks. Collecting at 10 weeks. Also no bitches available from litter and prefer males in any case. Awww, bit cute ;) Can't wait to see how they grow up. Don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh before P.S. I prefer males too - not that anyone can guess that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomas Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Good for you EVO8Gold. Wish you the best of luck! Yep, definately need puppy pics Puppy at 4 weeks. Collecting at 10 weeks. Also no bitches available from litter and prefer males in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan3 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 If we want to run with the wolf pack analogy, lets not forget that young male wolves who aren't content with no breeding rights leave the pack. Which is pretty much all of them (with some exceptions). It would be hard to say they weren't getting enough exercise (although I wouldn't rule that out as a possible factor in the captive wolf problem). All the documentaries I've ever seen on wolves and coyotes have left me with a different understanding (and just confirmed it with a couple of google searches). A wolf pack typically only has one breeding pair, but can have up to 15 + adult individuals both male and female. The alpha pair breed, the rest help raise the young, they are typically related anyway. I know in lions the males leave (or are kicked out) upon reaching sexual maturity, as do elephants (although of course no males stay with the herd at all so it's a bit different), but it's a different story for wolves. I have read that young animals may leave to find a mate and start a pack of their own, but that this is not the norm. I always thought that was why dogs fit in so well with a family so long as they are not occupying an alpha position. Whilst I don't doubt you have read accounts of packs that take this structure and seen documentaries that make this assumption, data from scientists in the field over a very long period of time tells a different story. Wolves do all sorts of things but the norm in the grey wolf is to disperse at sexual maturity or at some time shortly after. This piece is a good summary: http://lazacode.com/animal/the-gray-wolf-canis-lupus-part-5-dispersion Drilling down a bit further on the topic, and going to a higher source, the abstract and introduction of this peer-reviewed and published paper goes into some detail: http://www.mnforsustain.org/wolf_mech_dominance_alpha_status.htm This is a good example of why we need to be careful to consider the credibility of our sources. There are all sorts of accounts of wolf behaviour, or worse - dog behaviour - based on erroneous reporting or perpetuation of myths about wolves. If you get told something often enough you start to believe it, and then you are subject to confirmation bias - you start to see supporting evidence and are blinded to evidence that does not support your beliefs. I don't think there is a field that suffers more from this than dog training, except perhaps health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I love male dogs, i have a 2 year old lab and i ttried 2 months ago to give a 7 month old male goldie a home. Well i had to give him back as he kept trying to fight my current male. Having had 2 bitches who fought, and after the other male did not work out i will only keep opposite sexes at any given time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickasyoucan Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) This is off topic but I prefer male dogs too, less complicated On the subject of related dogs, we bred a litter of welsh springer spaniels about 25 years ago. We kept a bitch puppy from the litter, and two other puppies a bitch and a dog went to separate relatives. The mother of the litter, Sian, tolerated, Bronwen, her daughter for the eight years of Bronwen's life (she unfortunately died of mammary cancer). No serious spats but she was definitely happy on the rare occasions Bronwen wasn't around. When Bronwen passed away, Sian, who was by then about 10 got a new lease of life, it was like "thank god she has gone". Sian contined to nearly 15 and passed away of old age. Bronwen met her litter brothers and sisters semi-regularly and didn't like either of them past puppyhood, they had to be kept separate, but I suspect that was more to do with the infrequency of meetings than lack of sisterly love! Edited May 26, 2011 by Quickasyoucan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVO8Gold Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) We have now had the dog for about seven weeks. Both are doing extremely well. I certainly have some concerns regarding the interdependence issue but this is something we will have to work on. Dogs have both bonded exceptionally well with my wife and myself. Due to the immunisation issue, we have only socialised them over the last three weeks (apart from the three week puppy class). Both dogs have now commenced obedience training and are progressing well. They both sleep in a garden shed fitted with a doggie door that was purpose built for our old dog. Took them both to a fenced off bay beach over the weekend. Both played well with other dogs off leash and returned to us when called. So far - so good. Love the nature of the Curlies. Last Saturday at a local footy match they were approached by a friends three year old son. They were both very respectful and gentle and were more than happy being in his company. They are very quite much of the time and are quite and very reserved. My garden is a mess - a small price to pay for experiencing these two boys. To help in socialising we also regularly take them to the local strip shopping centre, have taken them to farmers markets and walk them on lead in a large leash free park in our area. Early days so far and we realise that that we need to intensively train these boys but they get on with each other and us very well and there are no signs of any issues. Edited August 16, 2011 by EVO8Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 area. Early days so far and we realise that that we need to intensively train these boys but they get on with each other and us very well and there are no signs of any issues. Glad things are going well. Be extra vigilant as they approach sexual maturity - if you're going to see issues, odds are it's then that they'll start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keira&Phoenix Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 They sound beautiful. PICTURES?? Yes have to agree with PF - As the dogs hit around 2 years of age, if trouble will happen it will probably start then and it might not even be anything major but could escalate over time. I just had to add, you need to make sure the dogs do not over bond with one another. We have 2 German Sheps from the same litter that live together who come to our play groups at my dog training and literally when you remove one from the area the other one howls and paces the inside of the enclosed area and will not play with other dogs or interact with the people. Both of them do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVO8Gold Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 area. Early days so far and we realise that that we need to intensively train these boys but they get on with each other and us very well and there are no signs of any issues. Glad things are going well. Be extra vigilant as they approach sexual maturity - if you're going to see issues, odds are it's then that they'll start. Will probably get the boys desexed at 6 months. We are keeping out a vigilant eye on them in this area. They wrestle and mouth each other when playing but there has been no signs of any aggression so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9angel Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 area. Early days so far and we realise that that we need to intensively train these boys but they get on with each other and us very well and there are no signs of any issues. Glad things are going well. Be extra vigilant as they approach sexual maturity - if you're going to see issues, odds are it's then that they'll start. Will probably get the boys desexed at 6 months. We are keeping out a vigilant eye on them in this area. They wrestle and mouth each other when playing but there has been no signs of any aggression so far. Yes I would highly recommend you get them both desexed. As other's have mentioned it's when they reach maturity that the problems may, or may not arise. Looking forward to pics. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiesha09 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Sounds like your doing a great job of socialising them together. How are they going when you seperate them? Are they going on a walk each day seperately and handling being alone ok? I ask this from experience. My two dogs are not even litter sister/brother but they did get very attached to each other. My girl (the younger one) used to stress, cry, freak out when I left with the other dog (to the vet or training independently etc.) I had to do ALOT of training to teach her to be fine by herself because if for example my boy had to spend the day at the vet she originally would have fallen to pieces. Now he can be taken out for the day and whilst she doesn't like it she will no longer try and break through windows or harm herself to try and get to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 area. Early days so far and we realise that that we need to intensively train these boys but they get on with each other and us very well and there are no signs of any issues. Glad things are going well. Be extra vigilant as they approach sexual maturity - if you're going to see issues, odds are it's then that they'll start. Will probably get the boys desexed at 6 months. We are keeping out a vigilant eye on them in this area. They wrestle and mouth each other when playing but there has been no signs of any aggression so far. Six months is pretty young for a large gundog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVO8Gold Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 area. Early days so far and we realise that that we need to intensively train these boys but they get on with each other and us very well and there are no signs of any issues. Glad things are going well. Be extra vigilant as they approach sexual maturity - if you're going to see issues, odds are it's then that they'll start. Will probably get the boys desexed at 6 months. We are keeping out a vigilant eye on them in this area. They wrestle and mouth each other when playing but there has been no signs of any aggression so far. Six months is pretty young for a large gundog. Yes - I agree. Would like to leave it much longer. The determining thing here is will be dictated by their behaviour. If they continue to get on and don't show any aggression towards each other the I will certaonly wait longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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