Chezy Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 why do a lot of ppl feel it's ok for pet shops to sell birds, mice , GP's etc, but if they sell cats ad dogs it is bad, I really don't see the dif. I bought my parrot from a breeder , not as pet shop You see lots of birds crammed in tiny cages for dog knows how long , can't stretch wings and really fly . just curious why ppl think it is dif it seems to me a lot of ppl feel that way, just going by ppls comments in general aways hear ppl say"i won;t buy from a shop that sells cats and dog " as apposed to pets not saying every1 , just a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirty Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I don't support pet shops selling animals at all, and only buy from produce type stores. My bunny is from a reg'd breeder too. But I don't think selling fish is really an issue. Having said that, I buy my fish from proper aquarium shops or breeders. However, I think that puppies and kittens are the ones filling our pounds and shelters and pet shops don't help that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mags Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I buy my pet supplies from stores that doesn't sell any live animals for the same reasons you have stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Average Joe Blow thinks you go to the pet store to get pets, they don't really understand about Breeders......Joe Citizen would probably laugh at the thought of a Pedigree Bunny Breeder. But to answer your question I don't think people on a large scale have empathy for rates, mice and so forth like they do for Dogs and Cats.......probably would if they saw them being mass produced in horrible conditions but until then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan's Mum Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) Personally I don't believe any live animal should be sold in a pet store. Admittedly as a child I had plenty of Goldfish that I bought from either a pet store or a garden nursery store. The cats I had growing up were all from 'Oops litters' or were shelter animals/rescues. I can't speak for other people, but I do wonder if it has something to do with birds/fish/ rats/mice not being seen as needing as much care/ or support as dogs or cats do. With dogs we know they need training, to be registered with councils, there seems to be a general consensus that dogs are more of a responsibility. I don't really know much about the other animals sold in shops but having gotten so much more into dogs it has had me questioning my beliefs on other domesticated animals. Edited June 25, 2011 by Brennan's Mum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chezy Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 true maybe it is just because dogs and cats welfare is pushed more and it's not that ppl think it ia ok , but that it has not been put to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I think petshops selling dogs are a much more serious problem than petshops selling animals like mice or goldfish. Why? Mostly because dogs live longer than many other pets, and need more exercise and training than most other pets. An animal like a dog that lives decades (as opposed to years) and that needs a huge amount of ongoing training and exercising (as opposed to being quite happy being left in a bowl or cage with a conspecific) is IMO much more likely to end up deprived or neglected when purchased on a whim (as most petshop purchases are). For that reason, I also think it's a very bad idea for petstores to sell other animals (like the larger parrots) that live for a very long time and need constant socialisation and care. Also, our pounds aren't overflowing with unwanted goldfish or mice. They are overflowing with unwanted dogs and cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinabean Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I think petshops selling dogs are a much more serious problem than petshops selling animals like mice or goldfish. Why? Mostly because dogs live longer than many other pets, and need more exercise and training than most other pets. An animal like a dog that lives decades (as opposed to years) and that needs a huge amount of ongoing training and exercising (as opposed to being quite happy being left in a bowl or cage with a conspecific) is IMO much more likely to end up deprived or neglected when purchased on a whim (as most petshop purchases are). For that reason, I also think it's a very bad idea for petstores to sell other animals (like the larger parrots) that live for a very long time and need constant socialisation and care. Also, our pounds aren't overflowing with unwanted goldfish or mice. They are overflowing with unwanted dogs and cats. +1 Very well put Staranais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayle. Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I got my goldfish from Petstock because I simply didn't know where else to get them from. There is an aquarium shop here....owned by the same people who own the pet shop that sold puppies and kittens before it closed down. I am not supporting them in any way, shape or form. My fish have now had their own babies and gone from 6 to 15, so I suppose Im now a byb of goldfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztec Gold Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I always feel sorry for the birds... The kittens and puppies get bought so quickly, the fish are fine in their lovely tanks, rats and mice all happily kept in their cages, but the poor birds are 9 times out of 10 kept in tiny cages, with no toys and no fruit or vegies, no leaves or natural branches, and its just so horrible to see. Usually they are missing feathers or have their wings cut horribly, or have visible signs of lice, or chew their feathers out of stress. I've also seen a pet shop with rainbow lorikeets in a small cage, with only seed offered for food, when (for those who don't know) they were not designed to eat seed!!! They need nectar, fruits and vegies!! Crazy and so so sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chezy Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 parrots live as long as some dogs, they need interaction and stimulation, they get stressed and ill, some ppl prob let them out when they don't want them as there is nowhere to take like pounds, doesn't mean there is not the same amount of neglected animals, small animals will not show illness , they just die and ppl go get another and another and another . There are bird rescue orgs , the poor things esp cockies , bought , stuck in tiny cage, no room to move , pull feathers, get nasty .... sound familiar to a dog stuck on a chain ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsrawesome Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Ive never had birds or rodents but i got my fish from petbarn, they only sell fish no other animals. But yes i feel sorry for the birds mostly hardly no room to move just like the puppies and kittens shoved into tiny pens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabel964 Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I got my goldfish from Petstock because I simply didn't know where else to get them from. There is an aquarium shop here....owned by the same people who own the pet shop that sold puppies and kittens before it closed down. I am not supporting them in any way, shape or form. My fish have now had their own babies and gone from 6 to 15, so I suppose Im now a byb of goldfish. That's hysterical LOL I too care about birds. I don't think they are understood and the fact is Joe Citizen and his cousins and so on all think a bird in a cage is fine, just give it some seeds. But a cage traps a bird. A bird is meant to fly in the sky, not be stuck in a small cage on a perfectly round bar, given seeds and water. Its so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tay. Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I think petshops selling dogs are a much more serious problem than petshops selling animals like mice or goldfish. Why? Mostly because dogs live longer than many other pets, and need more exercise and training than most other pets. An animal like a dog that lives decades (as opposed to years) and that needs a huge amount of ongoing training and exercising (as opposed to being quite happy being left in a bowl or cage with a conspecific) is IMO much more likely to end up deprived or neglected when purchased on a whim (as most petshop purchases are). For that reason, I also think it's a very bad idea for petstores to sell other animals (like the larger parrots) that live for a very long time and need constant socialisation and care. Also, our pounds aren't overflowing with unwanted goldfish or mice. They are overflowing with unwanted dogs and cats. +1 Very well put Staranais. +2 Completely agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxiewolf Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Whats the difference between buying a Rat, Mouse, Bird, Rabbit or Guinea Pig from a Pet Shop vs the Mostly backyard breeders all these animals come from? - You would like to hope if your pet shop is ethical enough to not sell cats and dogs but still sells these animals that they are more responsible than breeders.. generally pet-shops don't like to just sell you an animal without letting you out the door with the basics to look after it and are actually required by law to provide you with approved information sheets for any animal they sell (well i know I was told to) (of course that's the way they make money by selling the add ons cos there is next to no money in these kinds of animals). Yes - there are pedigree Rabbit, Rat and fancy mice breeders. And yes there are even pedigree bird breeders. And Having been on both sides of this fence... I've seen alot of these animals at breeders in shocking conditions - Why? Because there is generally no policing on breeding/keeping these animals at home... But a petshop has to go through a regime of cage sizes, animal numbers and procedures in most cases just to sell them. And if they aren't following these procedures.. then thats poor council work. When I had my pet shop the council inspector was never far away always armed with his tape measure, "animal" counter and ticky box sheet of what I could and couldn't do... Unless you are a "registered" breeder with the council of these animals.. who's going to police their welfare... other than nosey neighbours? And the argument of birds being kept in small cages in a pet shop... um... what do people keep them in at home? Not everyone keeps birds in an aviary. Dogs and Cats dont belong in pet shops, but I believe there is nothing wrong with small animals being in pet shops that are being properly policed by council, piaa and or dare I say it the rspca. And as for fish... where would you get most of these fish from if you didnt get them from an aquarium or pet shop? many of them need to be bred on farms or they are imported, and they aren't the kind of thing Joe Public often gets let into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztec Gold Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 And the argument of birds being kept in small cages in a pet shop... um... what do people keep them in at home? Not everyone keeps birds in an aviary. It's more the fact that a lot of pet shops have such a small cage with heaps of birds in it, so over-crowded that they can't even stretch their wings. It would be fine if they had size appropriate cages and didn't keep any more than 3 or 4 birds to each cage, and if they actually had fresh food in there too, and some toys or leaves and branches. Not just a small cage, 15 budgies, seed, water and one perch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayle. Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Not all pet shops have birds in small cages. There is one near me that keeps the birds in large aviaries in the store, they have plenty of room to stretch their wings, branches to perch on etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozzie Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Our Corella came from a petshop. He was handraised by one of the girls there. He was also harness trained. He didn't have a cage there and he went home with her till he was old enough to live with us. He has an aviary outside and a large cage inside He also free flies outside. That petshop has aviaries in a special section for their birds and they are not overcrowded. I'd get another bird from them in a heartbeat. Some parrots live as long as people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxiewolf Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 And the argument of birds being kept in small cages in a pet shop... um... what do people keep them in at home? Not everyone keeps birds in an aviary. It's more the fact that a lot of pet shops have such a small cage with heaps of birds in it, so over-crowded that they can't even stretch their wings. It would be fine if they had size appropriate cages and didn't keep any more than 3 or 4 birds to each cage, and if they actually had fresh food in there too, and some toys or leaves and branches. Not just a small cage, 15 budgies, seed, water and one perch. There are limits to how many birds you can keep in a cage, and the amount of space you need to add for each additional bird, so If you believe a pet shop you know has too many birds in a small cage call the council in the area and ask them to inspect. I used to have large flight cages for my birds... when I bought my shop it had aviaries... I found birds got way more stressed out being chased around an aviary with a net while you tried to catch the right one as opposed to just being able to reach into a smaller cage and get the right bird quickly without stressing it and the others out much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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