Backyard Breeding

[Tralee]

If done by a good vet, C sections rarely become horrible deaths to anything but your savings account and ideas of dog breeding.

As an anti-vivisectionist I find the whole suggestion extremely disturbing.

Not discounting the fact, that dogs are sentient beings.

Whether or not a Vet is 'chopping' neatly, the intimation that education proceeds through the indirect suffering of innocent and defenceless animals is simply astounding.

Edited November 18, 2012 by Tralee

[Rebanne]

Pav Lova, from posts in News, seems to be one of the kill all the crossbreed ilk. I don't see the difference between wishing a dog to die a hor

rible death to teach its owners a lesson, whether that be giving birth or otherwise.

Where did Pav say she wanted the dog to have a terrible death? Dogs rarely die because of a c-section.

[Rebanne]

If done by a good vet, C sections rarely become horrible deaths to anything but your savings account and ideas of dog breeding.

As an anti-vivisectionist I find the whole suggestion extremely disturbing.

Not discounting the fact, that dogs are sentient beings.

Whether or not a Vet is 'chopping' neatly, the intimation that education proceeds through the indirect suffering of innocent and defenceless animals is simply astounding.

and you don't think a bitch whelping under the house, struggling to birth a puppy alone is not suffering? Reality is that most pet owners would not see when a C-section is needed and the bitch will suffer and quite possibly die if she gets into trouble and that's while whelping under the house or in the house. And we are not talking about an accidental mating, the people owning the ACD x are planning to mate her.

[Salukifan]

If done by a good vet, C sections rarely become horrible deaths to anything but your savings account and ideas of dog breeding.

As an anti-vivisectionist I find the whole suggestion extremely disturbing.

Not discounting the fact, that dogs are sentient beings.

Whether or not a Vet is 'chopping' neatly, the intimation that education proceeds through the indirect suffering of innocent and defenceless animals is simply astounding.

Good old Tralee, taking the thread way off in a direction it was never intended to go. You never fail to disappoint.

What's the link between a philosophical objection to surgery for experimental purposes and a C section Tralee? You're the semantics freak - you tell me.

And while you're at it, tell me how a bitch failing to whelp a pup normally deserves any LESS than an emergency C-section. Sure beats dying in whelp for both mother AND pup.

[mixeduppup]

I recently saw a bitch that had a pup die and rot for 48 hours inside the birthing canal before her owners brought her in for the vet check up. He managed to get the pup out in pieces and the afterbirth followed. It was shocking to see and the owners had NO idea that over a day is too long for a bitch to be pushing between pups. She survived but I have no idea how. People that don't know the first thing about recognising signs of distress or abnormalities during labour should never be allowed to breed, ever.

Edited November 18, 2012 by mixeduppup

[Sheridan]

Pav Lova, from posts in News, seems to be one of the kill all the crossbreed ilk. I don't see the difference between wishing a dog to die a hor

rible death to teach its owners a lesson, whether that be giving birth or otherwise.

Where did Pav say she wanted the dog to have a terrible death? Dogs rarely die because of a c-section.

Really? Well, dear me. Her anti-crossbreed posts elsewhere must have given me that impression.

[WreckitWhippet]

Pav Lova, from posts in News, seems to be one of the kill all the crossbreed ilk. I don't see the difference between wishing a dog to die a hor

rible death to teach its owners a lesson, whether that be giving birth or otherwise.

Where did Pav say she wanted the dog to have a terrible death? Dogs rarely die because of a c-section.

Really? Well, dear me. Her anti-crossbreed posts elsewhere must have given me that impression.

I am anti-cross breed and make no apologies for those that cross breed and breed indiscriminately and produce yet more pound fodder

[Sam the man]

Thanks for all the replies. Can someone please tell me how to multiquote Thank you

Another reason why my MIL and I are against this litter business is because they expect MIL & FIL to look after the dog when they aren't home (out for tea or whatever which happens fairly often)and MIL & FIL do not have the facilities or energy to cope with looking after any unsold pups and neither do we.

There have been letters in the paper recently because of council plans to build a new pound. I'm going to reply to the last one and among other things somehow put in why there are so many dogs at the pound. If it gets published it will be there for my BIL & SIL to read.

I plan to invite them over for tea sometime and talk about/show them some of the things in your replies.

[Ruin Maniac]

The mere thought of dealing with the mating itself, the pregnancy, birth and after-care and finally the litter gives me heart palpitations. Why anyone would go ahead and breed their dogs without serious research, planning and, without a doubt, saving is beyond me.

[Roova]

If the couple aren't the type to listen to 'you shouldn't' stories maybe you could provide them with a list of items they'll need over the course of the dog being pregnant and once puppies arrive? At least then Mum and pups might have a chance if it all goes ahead.

I'm not a breeder so have no idea of a proper list, but stuff like a whelping box with rails to help mum not squash the pups, multiple lots of bedding material so clean ones are always to hand, bottles/nipples/milk products in case mum doesn't take to the pups as a first time mum, a good alarm clock for when they're waking to feed pups every two hours (or whatever time it is..for however long that happens for), a couple of thousand spare in the bank for possible vet visits if things go wrong, where the closest emergency vet is if she whelps in the night etc.

You could give them a list of what signs might show something is going wrong when Mum's whelping so they know when to take her to the vet. Maybe a list of when to start introducing pups to food (and what type of food is best), how often they should be fed and how to appropriately socialise them as they grow. Maybe also the rules on when to microship and vaccinate and how much it will cost.

It will look like you're helping but Im sure they'll get the picture! Most people think 'it won't happen to me' about all sorts of things so there's a good chance a list of horror stories might be too unbelievable for them to comprehend.

I think the average Joe Blow doesn't research much at all, to me it seems to happen when you're passionate about something, you've been directly affected or you're just a well organised person!

[Tralee]

Thanks for all the replies. Can someone please tell me how to multiquote Thank you

Click on multi-quote for each response you want restated.

Then click on add reply.

That's the trick.

Then cut, past and delete to keep the reply coherent.

Good Luck