dasha Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I have 5 pups I need to get eye tested for CEA. Which vet in the Sydney area is the best for that. I took the mother to one at Nth Ryde (can't remember the name) and he seemed fine but wondering who others use. The pups are only 3 weeks old at present so no ush yet but would like to make appt soon for them to go the vet at 6 weeks I live in Sydneys west but will travel a bit if needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I have 5 pups I need to get eye tested for CEA. Which vet in the Sydney area is the best for that. I took the mother to one at Nth Ryde (can't remember the name) and he seemed fine but wondering who others use. The pups are only 3 weeks old at present so no ush yet but would like to make appt soon for them to go the vet at 6 weeks I live in Sydneys west but will travel a bit if needed What breed? If they are BCs the parents should have been DNA tested to make sure the puppies could not be affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasha Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 Mother is tested. Father not. Hence the question. BTW these pups aren't going to be bred with later so it is just for knowledge really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Mother is tested. Father not. Hence the question. BTW these pups aren't going to be bred with later so it is just for knowledge really If the mother is DNA normal/clear the puppies cannot be clinically affected but can be DNA carriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaCharlie Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) We use Jeff Smith at the Animal Referral Hospital for opthomology stuff. He is great. ETA Given it is a repeat mating- were there any affected from the previous litter? Edited February 8, 2013 by DeltaCharlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasha Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) Nope Thanks for that. I couldn't remember his name Edited February 8, 2013 by dasha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaCharlie Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 He travels to a lot of the country towns etc too which is good. Not that you need it :) Helpful for us in Canberra though as he comes down here every few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystiqview Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 dumb question.. would it just be easier to DNA test the father? or organise to have him swabbed and sent off? If they are both clear, it would solve the mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasha Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 Owner of the dog not interested in testing. And he is currently living at someone elses place further away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Owner of the dog not interested in testing. And he is currently living at someone elses place further away. I am still puzzled why you need to get a clinical eye exam for CEA if the dam was DNA normal and if she was a carrier, why you would risk the mating? By all means get them tested for any other odd eye problems that may show up, if you wish but they don't need a CEA clinical exam if the dam was DNA normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasha Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Sometimes you risk a mating because there is more to a good dog than its eye status. These are working dogs so working traits are the highest on the list for breeding stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Sometimes you risk a mating because there is more to a good dog than its eye status. These are working dogs so working traits are the highest on the list for breeding stock. So you risk getting blind puppies to get good workers? Not acceptable to me at all. I know blind puppies are rare but the risk is still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasha Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 An extremely unlikely option is a blind pups.... There is more chance of a car accident when driving.....but we still drive Both parents vision is awesome...... If it wasn't, they wouldn't be so damn good at their job....... Eye testing shouldn't be the sole basis of a breeding program....... Thats how other problems pop up, and others don't go away...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Mother is tested. Father not. Hence the question. BTW these pups aren't going to be bred with later so it is just for knowledge really I think it's good you are testing but what happens if any come back as a carrier? Cause if they turn out excellent workers someone is sure to want to breed from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasha Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 And there is nothing wrong with breeding with a carrier or affected if you are selective of the other parent and the other traits are desiredo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 And there is nothing wrong with breeding with a carrier or affected if you are selective of the other parent and the other traits are desiredo No way I would breed with an affected but I would breed with a carrier and DNA test all pups before being sold and desex any that were also carriers unless I could 100% trust the people the pups was going to, to also do the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasha Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 These ones will be desexed. I just want certs to be able to give their new owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 And there is nothing wrong with breeding with a carrier or affected if you are selective of the other parent and the other traits are desiredo No way I would breed with an affected but I would breed with a carrier and DNA test all pups before being sold and desex any that were also carriers unless I could 100% trust the people the pups was going to, to also do the right thing. There is nothing wrong with breeding carriers even for many generations so long as they are only ever bred to a DNA normal. To breed a carrier to an untested dog is simply irresponsible and the risk isn't that you will produce just more carriers, you will possibly produce affected puppies and there is a small chance that some could be blind or sight impaired. Dasha is having these puppies clinically tested to see if they are actually blind or sight impaired. This will not determine if any are DNA carriers or affected. DNA tests exist so carriers can be safely bred but with no risk of any responsible breeder ever producing an affected puppy again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasha Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 So which eye specialist is best in Sydney area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 So which eye specialist is best in Sydney area I think any of the specialists in Sydney are fine to do the examination. Call ARH and SASH and compare prices and locations that their opthalmologists are available at. ARH SASH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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