BJean

Not as funny as the Asia beat up. I would post photos of greyhounds in Asia but as this is a public forum I won't. It's easy to see though, just google greyhounds in Asia and see how funny it is. Why would you need to post pics of greyhounds - "every week hundreds of DOGS and CATS are exported worldwide from Australia " Hundreds?

Not as funny as the Asia beat up.

Now you give me instruction on how to write also?

This is what can happen when a big dog is sent to ... Asia :

Well that was dismissive and rude I already noted that this pattern is also observed in wild and feral dogs, who are in a fight for their lives. Well next time don't dismiss what you do not know for yourself and then neither of us will feel reproach. You already wrote: "that dog is dominant...." is not a complete sentence. And the word 'pack leader' makes you sad. No, it is the definition of the dog theorists which you agree with. Not the definition of all dog theorists.

A dog can dominate in a particular situation without being dominant though. In my own experience (we usually have at least four dogs here, sometimes more), none of them were "dominant", some were just more likely to take risks by challenging other dogs for resources. Even then, it depended very much on the resource and how the individual valued that resource. One dog might value a better bed (and take considerable risks to obtain it) while not being at all interested in defending its food if challenged by a dog that valued the food more highly. Of course HA. 9 dogs here, 2 are domininant and the other 7 try and dominate in a particular situation. But never towards the 2 that are dominant. The 2 dominant are male and female and are kept separate, as if together they would probably kill each other.

It's more theory of dominance as a personality trait rather than a relationship that I consider outdated. Some rare dogs may have an unusually high value for most resources and attempt to exert their access rights to almost everything, which could be labelled "a dominant dog". By then it's just getting into semantics tho. The idea that dogs view us in the same way they do their own species given how woeful we are at the subtleties of body language also has me suspicious O_o While you only own a kelpie, or similar, and have not had direct experience with hard wired ASD/CAS individual, you will continue to see and speak your own semantics. NB: I should add in any true dominant dog, because from what you write, I see that you have not.

This is exactly the type of crap I hope my puppy homes avoid: If dogs bite each other shouldn’t it be natural for us to emulate them to train them? It all depends on your morals and ethics whether inflicting intimidation or pain on an animal is an acceptable behavior. It is part of human behavior in a society to bully, rape and kill each other, but that doesn’t make it moral or give one the right to do it to other people. Because dogs and wolves bully, fight, and kill each other does not make it acceptable for us to emulate their behavior towards our own dog. Dogs play-fight using their mouths, see the photo above left, but that also doesn’t give us a right to use collars or intimidation to manage or train dogs. Jerking a dog on a collar could suppress a behavior from happening, but it can also cause behavioral side effects such as aggression and frustration How do you think and LGD would respond to 'positive only' training? Firstly I am not sure what positive only is. Life and dogs are too complex to waste time pontificating about what dog theorists waffle on about. :) To answer the specific of how I think a halti or harness is suited to an LGD: I would not use nor recommend a halti or harness on an Anatolian or Central Asian as it will not hold the dog in a situation. The problem with a halti is it is not teaching the dog to listen to its handler, same with the spray bottle technique. (nothing to do with walking but if a dog wont listen to no, then it is not listening to you better with a spray bottle, it knows the water is coming from the spray bottle. it will wait until you do not have the spray bottle, or halti - halti is a very serious aggravation to some LGD.) some assertive asd if you use an object will take it as a challenge and they will turn around stare at you and take you up on it. You need the dog to see you as leader otherwise it can be problematic, and the relationship has to be they follow you because they choose to, not because you make them - you cannot 'make' some adult ASD/CAS do anything. If you do not have a good relationship with the dog then a gimmick will not help you. Some LGD have mind like concrete. Once they reach 3 and 4 years old it sets, and they are unlikely to accept another handler. Flat collar as a puppy and check chain as adult, you can go back to flat collar (or use a harness) on an aged dog. But you need check chain in case of an incident. Black dogs, from what I have seen of Maremma - its rank drive and instinctive responses do not seem to be as primitive or reactive as some ASD/CAS. There can be a considerable size difference also. For the best guidance on how to train your maremma, I would follow the advice of your maremma breeder. NB: imo any dog theorist who equates correction with bullying / violence does not know what they are waffling on about in real terms. Any one who has a challenging assertive dog knows that the relationship between adult dog and human handler is very much one of mutual respect. I have and I will and I do scruff an upstart ASD/CAS puppy, but if I have a growl directed at me from an adult ASD/CAS, then I deal with that situation very very carefully and very differently. The former is correcting and putting a puppy into its place. The later is much more serious and you need to hold your ground while diffusing the situation at the same time, hold your nerve also and then over time work at reestablishing the relationship. The last thing you would do in this scenario (and it would be the last thing you did do) is apply dog theorist 'violence'/physical correction. So you see nothing is black and white or requires the utilisation of 'positive only' or 'negative only' (or whatever it is that dog theorists call it) :)

This is exactly the type of crap I hope my puppy homes avoid: If dogs bite each other shouldn’t it be natural for us to emulate them to train them? It all depends on your morals and ethics whether inflicting intimidation or pain on an animal is an acceptable behavior. It is part of human behavior in a society to bully, rape and kill each other, but that doesn’t make it moral or give one the right to do it to other people. Because dogs and wolves bully, fight, and kill each other does not make it acceptable for us to emulate their behavior towards our own dog. Dogs play-fight using their mouths, see the photo above left, but that also doesn’t give us a right to use collars or intimidation to manage or train dogs. Jerking a dog on a collar could suppress a behavior from happening, but it can also cause behavioral side effects such as aggression and frustration

It's all very well to disagree, but when it comes to putting into practice what you disagree with in theory I can think of a handful of dogs I'd send their way and good luck using only a harness. Dogs and their owners are so diverse - so it's such a shame that dog theorists and some dog professionals feel the need to apply what they *think* is right and will work as being best for all. To the point where I now tell puppy homes, not to waste their time and go to puppy classes, as most of what they get told is of no benefit and will not apply to them and their dog.

It is not possible for a large breed puppy to be raised inside optimally. Outside puppies can run and play up and down undulatings hills, dig, fight, climb over many different surfaces - very important for bone and muscle development. The flat surface inside of four walls is not a challenge and does not give them enough room, nor does it encourage them to wander far from home, and then run as fast as they can home again at dinner time. imo inside of four walls sounds very boring and better suited to growing a sample on a petri dish, not a puppy :) playing and fighting and getting dirty, chasing, and then sleeping, running, rolling, chewing, exploring is what puppies do.

I see very very few used as intended. With the way Joe public uses chains I think 'choke' is an appropriate name. bahaha yeah like a 'gentle leader' :laugh:

If you are not well versed in raising puppies, I don't understand why you doubt the efficacy of puppy-raising technique of the breeder you've chosen to get your puppy from. Sometimes you have to afford yourself and your choice of breeder, with having the smarts to know well what it is they are doing. Yes. Steve's advice was spot on. Throw out the books. The difficulty in raising puppies is not the act itself, but finding your own calm, common sense approach, that is free from all the noise and PC complication.

Yes, and in Australia some individual ASDs can be very sharp. Two of my dogs, one in particular I handle the same way as a stallion or unhandled horse. I never forget what she is capable of, and our relationship is 51-49. But that is not constant or a given. If I stuff up, she lets me know about it and we are back to 50-50.

Yep.

No, the Breed ID came from the pound/rescue.

This dog is NOT an Illyrian Sheepdog. it is a mixed breed, probably of Maremma x Anatolian. This dog arrived at the pound with NO microchip - it's breed identity is a creative guess by pound staff / rescue. Why they chose Illyrian who knows. Maybe they thought it would sell better. Re Sarps: AFAIK there have only been one male and two female imported from the kennel link above. 99% of 'pure sarps' sold by BYB are combinations of Anatolian / Leonberger / Central Asian / inbred variations of the first sarps. Frankly, most with sarps dont have the money or know-how to import.

Do it! I DARE YOU! :laugh:

no the point is more 99% of people like to think that aggression is fear based, makes the whole thing seem more softy wofty and less real that a dog would actually WANT to bite a person through any other reason. Why is your dog growling to make it get down from you? That is NOT your dogs place to do that. Your dog follows the pup everywhere because you allow it and it's something new to try and corral around the house because you have not taught it otherwise. Aggression in labradors is not totally unheard of, I know of one labrador male that almost ripped the door off a delivery truck on its property. This pup needs a proper assessment as well as learning NOW what the right thing is to do. Your veterinarian is not a behaviorist and frankly should not be putting a BABY on medication. If needs be I'm happy to take the pup for a few weeks, see how it goes in a pack situation and learn from some other dogs. Gloves, meds and castration is not how to handle a puppy like this at all. :thumbsup:

what Tazar said :)

That's not a nice thing to say. Not all elderly people are like that so you shouldn't generalise. I've met some pretty nasty and rude young ones too. Penumbra is just having a funny. it's not PC but that okay

OT: There has been and continues to be, so much propaganda about desexing that it has become normal for dog owners in Australia to imagine that desexing their dog, changing how it is produced by nature is actually better for the animal's individual health outcome.

It's just varying degrees of insanity and biting , when it comes to Bostons LOL

I think this is a question that only Boston breeders can meaningfully answer, but most of all - the Boston breeder who is the breeder of your puppy. You should copy and paste your OP and email it to him/her :)